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Dec-12-05
 | | Gypsy: In the list I was favoring the players that showed the <how to>, the seminal strategic ideas behind the openings, not so much as who patented a sequence of opening moves. That is why Smyslov, Keres, Boleslavsky, can not be left out. |
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| Dec-12-05 | | KingG: <Gypsy> What about Fischer? He's done a lot of work in the Najdorf, KID, Ruy Lopez and the Nimzo-Indian(there is a Fischer variation i believe). As for Miles, are you serious? You think his ridiculous off-beat openings stand comparison with the Taimanov variations of the Sicilian, Benoni and KID? |
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Dec-12-05
 | | WannaBe: I was going to mention Bird... (A02, A03). |
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Dec-12-05
| | Gypsy: <KingG> I definitely do not want to set myself as a final arbiter of who belongs and who does not. It is hard to compare Miles' and Tajmanov's contributions as they come along different dimmesions. Miles offbeat experiments definitely insluenced the chess thought a lot. Tajmanov probably influence more the overall opening play, as transpositions ovoiding his lines had to be found and followed. I put in Breyer and Miles on the strength of their opening thought influece, and I hesitated about Tajmanov because I could not quickly sort out if I can give him the nod over Polu, Gligo, ... Probably yes. |
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| Dec-12-05 | | KingG: <Gypsy> Ok, but what were the reasons for leaving Fischer out? |
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Dec-12-05
 | | keypusher: <Gypsy> Well, I spaced on Boleslavsky and Gligoric re KID, so we're even. Agree with you that Boleslavsky belongs. In the Sicilian, the Boleslavsky Variation was the direct ancestor of the Najdorf and showed that you could play with a backward pawn in the center -- which makes it the ancestor of the Sveshnikov, too, I guess. So that makes it arguably the most important innovation in the Sicilian. Which makes it the most important innovation in the opening...WHICH MAKES IT THE MOST IMPORTANT INNOVATION IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. Also, it put Be2 out of business as a winning try in the Classical Sicilian. <wannabe> yes, Bird has a major opening plus a fairly important defense in the Ruy Lopez, though I understand it's pretty lousy. <KingG> Yes, Polugaevsky is huge -- he also started the modern saga of the Botvinnik variation in the Slav with his game against Torre, right? And he and Spassky made a big change in the Semi-Tarrasch with their wins over Petrosian and Tal. See OMGP II for a discussion of all Smyslov's opening innovations -- really amazingly creative. |
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Dec-12-05
| | Gypsy: <KingG: ... Ok, but what were the reasons for leaving Fischer out? > Mostly Karpov. They probably both belong. Their contributions are along the depth and accuracy dimmension, not so much originality. (Cf. my comment about Boleslavsky's hand in Fischer-Sozin.) |
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| Dec-12-05 | | who: <<Gypsy> Smyslov has many, many lines do his credit> can you give some examples of his lines which have been adopted into general play (in other words lines other than his line in the Ruy). |
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| Dec-12-05 | | who: I guess his line in the caro-kan, but other than that? |
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Dec-12-05
| | Gypsy: <who> Eg, 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Qb3 dxc4 6.Qxc4 O-O 7.e4 Bg4 8.Be3 Nfd7! ... Smyslov variation of Gruenfeld. (The ! is per "Kurs Debutov" by Panov/Estrin.) Smyslov is also well regarded for his contributions to Sicilian. |
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Dec-13-05
| | keypusher: <who> apart from the Ruy and Gruenfeld, Kasparov noted his contributions in lines of the Slav and Bogo-Indian. |
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| Dec-13-05 | | sucaba: Taimanov also made innovations in 1. d4 ♘f6 2. c4 e6 3. ♘c3 ♗b4 4. e3 ♘c6. See
Nimzo-Indian, 4.e3 (e40). |
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| Jan-02-06 | | babakova: Mark Taimanov, the original Marky Mark. |
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| Jan-02-06 | | setebos: I wonder what was the first musical piece Taimoanov played after losing his match with Fischer 6-0 |
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| Jan-02-06 | | notsodeepthought: <setebos> A requiem. |
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| Jan-02-06 | | Assassinater: Can't it be said that all world champions, to one degree or another, contributed greatly to opening theory through their matches and games? |
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| Jan-03-06 | | babakova: <Assassinater> I would agree with that. But some contributed more than others. For instance Karpov and Kasparov developed the theory of the ruy lopez a great deal, in particular the zaitsev variation. |
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| Jan-03-06 | | russep: didn't Fischer help in the development in the theory of the Najdorf?? |
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| Jan-03-06 | | szunzein: Is this Taimanov column? |
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| Jan-03-06 | | babakova: Fischer didnt contribute as much to Najdorf theory as one might think. The real exceptions would be the poisoned pawn variation and the Göteborg variation where he improved blacks play greatly, which he showed against Gligoric in portoroz 1958. |
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| Jan-03-06 | | szunzein: Sorry, now I understand because not many people contributed to te Sicilian as much as Taimanov did |
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| Feb-18-06 | | BadTemper: On chessbase I see pictures of his kids and wife. I am flabbergasted that he has 2 approximately 5 year old twin children and a 40 year old or so wife, and he is 80. Hah. |
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| Feb-18-06 | | Cecil Brown: Here is a link to the article:
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...
A nice quote from it was <Nadya has presented me with a new life, so to speak, when it already seemed like most things were behind me. It turned out they weren’t the most important ones…> Good for him. I guess it's one of the perks of being a man that you can be rejected by women for years, decades even and yet still have the chance of a family life in old age. |
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| Feb-18-06 | | micartouse: That is a beautiful article! |
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| Feb-26-06 | | waddayaplay: About the bio. Taimanov was World Senior Champion in both 1994 and 1995. |
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