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Jun-04-03
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| Calli: IIRC, Reinfeld rated this as the best game ever won against Alekhine. <Chessgames> This game is duplicated in the db. I suspect that Alekhine vs Yates, 1923 is correct because Alekhine would have resigned before the mate in the present game. |
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Jun-04-03
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| Honza Cervenka: The game is twice in the database but there is at least one another difference - the second version of this game has a different order of moves of white (8.0-0 Nbd7 9.e4 a5 etc.) |
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Jun-04-03
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| Calli: Yes, here is another site http://www.soundkeepers.com/scorebo... with the game. It gives the 8.e4 move order and 51 ..0-1 resigns. Unless someone can check one of those newer Alekhine books, I would tend to go with the soundkeepers version. |
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Jun-04-03
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| Honza Cervenka: The problem is that for example in the database of chessbase.com the game has move order 8.0-0 Nbd7 9.e4 a5 etc. It is difficult to say which one is correct as both orders make sense. |
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Jun-04-03
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| Sneaky: " Alekhine would have resigned before the mate" ... you never know. Not all players view getting checkmated as especially embarassing. For those with a sense of humor, walking into a checkmate (helpmate style) is sometimes considered a witty alternative to resigning. For example, check out Michael Adams vs Ponomariov, 2002 Ruslan plays 75...Rg3, in a hopeless position, and that is the one and only move on the board which allows mate-in-one. Obviously a world champion doesn't overlook a mate-in-one. He just thought it was a funny way to end the game. |
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Jun-05-03
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| Calli: <sneaky> Michael Adams, yes. Alekhine? Never! :-) The current game is a forced mate in about 7 moves. Alekhine could see it coming from around move 45. Undoubtedly, he just wanted to see if Yates found 49.Bf2! and so on before resigning. Reinfeld gives this game in "Great Brilliancy Prizes of the Chess Masters". The score is exactly as in the soundkeepers link above.
Its 8.e4 and 51... 0-1 . So thats the one I am going with. |
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| Oct-18-04 |
| chessdr: What kills me about this game is how there is absolutely no daylight for white after move 33 -- how every move besides the game continuation leads to a quick forced win. For example: If 38. Re3 Qh2+ 39. Kf3 Qh3+.
If 39. Kf3/f4 Qf1+.
If 41. Rh2 Qf3+ 42. Kh4 Bf6+ 43. g5 h6!
If 43. Qh6 Qh1+.
If 44. Kg3 Qd3+.
If 47. Rc4 Qd3+.
If 47. Rg2 Qe1+ and mate in 1 if the king moves, otherwise lose the rook.
If 47. Rh2 Qg1+ 48. Kh3 (if 48. Rg2 Qe1+) Qe3+ 49. Kg2 Qf2+ and mate. |
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| Nov-25-04 |
| kostich in time: Was it this game or the loss to Spiellman which inspired Alekhine to go back to his hotel room and smash the furniture? this may be the most beautiful game played by an Englishman in the first half of the twentieth century..in fact, Yates played some of the most beautiful games of the post World War One era |
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| May-10-05 |
| gidguy2000: Hey everyone,
Can someone help me with the continuation here? What are the moves and the principles behind them. More precisely put, in the given position, what does black need to do to achieve checkmate? Where does he want white's king? I can't find it and its really bugging me. Thanks. |
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| May-10-05 |
| Poulsen: Do you mean in the actual game? That's simple: 51.Kg3,Qf2+ 52.Kh3,Qh2++. |
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| May-12-05 |
| gidguy2000: Oy, I was confused and thought it was black to move (I know it doesn't make sense since white is in check, but.. yeah) Moral: Don't post while tired or insane. Thanks for settin' me straight |
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| Jun-28-06 |
| GeauxCool: One of the longest combinations on record. 33...Rxg4 and all of white's moves are forced until, 42...g5!! A magnificent interpolation. The threat of Qh4 mate cannot be met without material loss. Yates seized the initiative at move 16...Qd6, and never relinquished. -Fine |
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| Jun-28-06 |
| WMD: The mouse that roared. |
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| Jun-28-06 |
| capanegra: <One of the longest combinations on record. 33...Rxg4 and all of white's moves are forced> Yes, but 33…Rxg4 also seems to be forced. I mean, Alekhine's 33.Ng4 defends h2 and threatens a lot (the black Bishop, the "e" Pawn, and the advance of his own central Pawns, to begin with). I think Yates had no choice, because that Knight was very strong and it had to be removed. After 33…Rxg4, the rest of Black's moves are natural, except 42…g5!, and mainly 46…Qd1!! I wonder if Yates saw Qd1 when he played Rxg4; he probably didn't. It requires an outrageous mind to plan move by move such a deep and long combination. Of course, this doesn't discredit his remarkable achievement. |
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| Sep-20-06 |
| Tomlinsky: This is a fabulous win by Yates over Alekhine. The whole kinghunt is conducted in a 3x3 block of squares and his kings pawn never even moves. When he had his good days Yates played some delightful chess. Alekhine didn't want him to play in the New York 1924 Tounament as Yates had beaten him in the two previous clashes. |
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Feb-16-07
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| Marmot PFL: "Although Fischer’s contemporaries credit him with what Soviet rival Mark Taimanov once conceded to be a “truly encyclopaedic erudition” of the game, they are talking about knowledge of opening theory and endgame analysis. Fischer biographer Frank Brady claims that there were relatively few works of history in Bobby’s library. This writer once saw Fischer interviewed on television by Dick Cavett, who stated quite correctly that F. D. Yates had twice defeated Alexander Alekhine. Bobby called Yates a weak player and said that no such thing had ever happened. Astonishing! Here, then, is Yates’ celebrated 1st Brilliancy Prize win over Alekhine - a game featuring an extravagant and famous combination of which Bobby was evidently unaware. Some sources mistakenly give two more moves, 51. Kg3 Qf2+ 52. Kh3 Qh2, mate." (Larry Parr, Chess Beat) |
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May-23-08
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| ToTheDeath: One of the most accurate attacking masterpieces ever played. 46... Qd1!!- The *ONLY* move that wins!! |
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| May-23-08 |
| FHBradley: This is one of Yates' three greatest games, the other two are Bogolyubov vs. Yates, Baden-Baden 1925: Bogoljubov vs Yates, 1925 and Vidmar vs. Yates, San Remo 1930: Vidmar vs Yates, 1930. It's astonishing how a player whom people often regard as "mediocre" can play games like these. |
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May-23-08
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| whiteshark: Alekhine wasted an opportunity that <28.Qg4!=> would have offered him.
click for larger view |
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May-24-08
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| ToTheDeath: Good eye <whiteshark>, that does look like an improvement. However after 28..Qd2 29.e5 I would seriously consider the exchange sacrifice 29...Rxd5 with good compensation. |
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May-24-08
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| whiteshark: <ToTheDeath:... with good compensation> Yes, it's really an interesting position after <28.Qg4 Qd2 29.e5 Rxd5 30.Nxd5 Qxd5>: 
click for larger view White will lose a second pawn, his king's position isn't very safe and bsq is dangerous and the remaining pawn are weak. |
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| Jun-29-08 |
| Amarande: White's best move in the trap would be 47 Qf7, but even here Black still retains an extra piece and an easy win: 47 Qf7 Qd3+! (and NOT, here or on the next move, Qxc2?? as Qf8 would be mate! In no winning position should this ever be forgotten about - a drastic example from 'real life': G Garcia vs Ivkov, 1965) 48 Qf3 (if the King moves, Qxc2 is now check) Be5+ 49 Kg2 (else the Queen is lost) Qxc2+ and after 50 Kf1 Qxb2 or 50 Qf2 Qxf2+ Black wins quite easily with the extra piece. |
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| Jan-15-09 |
| WhiteRook48: argh. Alekhine loss. What was he drinking now? |
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Aug-16-09
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| Phony Benoni: Probably a more apropos question is: What was Yates drinking? And where can I get some? |
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| Nov-27-09 |
| spotkicker: We have known Alekhine with his sacrifices and combinations. However, here is a counter attack against to him. Alekhine was greater generally, but Yates is great in this game. 33...Rg4!! and rest of Black's moves are brilliant. |
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