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|Dec-22-16|| ||Domdaniel: In certain Slavic countries the genders are referred to as the <sterner> and <gentler> sexes...|
|Dec-22-16|| ||zanzibar: Ah, ... it can be a tricky business though, consider <MissScarlett> and <SallySimpson>.|
But it shows just how far I got with my Russian lessons, I was thinking <Karpova> could be a diminutive of <Karpov>.
But I guess that's not likely.
My default option is to use the masculine pronoun as default, given English's lack of gender neutrality.
Apologies to <Karpova>, if merited.
(What exactly does <Yorkshire Relish> denote, I wonder?)
|Dec-22-16|| ||Retireborn: That does happen eg Anatoly Karpov is "Tolya" to his friends, but -a on a surname usually indicates feminity, I think.|
|Dec-22-16|| ||Domdaniel: <Retireborn> Thank you for the Yorkshire Relish link ... I was amused to see the stuff is now made in Ireland.|
By 'Yorkshire Relish' I simply tried to pay homage to the Yorkshireman Yates. Well, it was a better option than Yorkshire Pudding.
|Dec-23-16|| ||Retireborn: Yorkshire Pudding with gravy is the Food of the Gods.|
|Dec-23-16|| ||Tabanus: Singaround Yorkshire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lC...|
Boknakaran (Bokna lads, derived from boknafisk or half dried fish) is a group in my home town. Sorry for the offtopic post!
|Dec-23-16|| ||Retireborn: <Tab> Very pretty blonde lady. She can come and sing to me if she likes.|
|Dec-23-16|| ||zanzibar: Not believing my eyes, I immediately played that video, and was left wondering how <Tab> found this enjoyable, but slightly obscure, musical group...|
<Boknakaran (Bokna lads, derived from boknafisk or half dried fish) is a group in my home town.>
<Sorry for the offtopic post!>
I don't this the good Mr. Yates minds too much. He's rather proud of his Yorkshire heritage after all.
Here is his EDO page:
(Which also uses Dewhirst)
|Dec-23-16|| ||Domdaniel: Why did Alekhine include Mason in the 'English school' of chess?
Mason was born in Ireland and grew up in the USA.|
|Dec-23-16|| ||zanzibar: Speculating...
I believe it's partly due to Mason's heritage (back then Ireland/England wouldn't be much different to a Russian), and the fact that he returned to England in 1878 (Oxford).
I would guess that since his style was mostly developed by that point, with regards to your question.
I'm still wondering about some of Alekhine's comments.
|Dec-23-16|| ||MissScarlett: <.In those days there was no state benefits.>|
That's a bit harsh. There's been a welfare state in Britain since before we colonised America: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_f...
I heard on the radio recently the claim that whilst Britain is 1% of the world's population and 4% of its economy, it spends 7% of the global welfare budget.
By that, you could be forgiven for thinking that Britain is one of the very richest countries. Truth is, we're not in the world's top 20 of GDP per capita.
|Dec-23-16|| ||Domdaniel: <MissScarlett> Call this a welfare state?
<The impotent poor (people who can't work) were to be cared for in almshouse or a poorhouse. The law offered relief to people who were unable to work: mainly those who were "lame, impotent, old, blind".
The able-bodied poor were to be set to work in a House of Industry. Materials were to be provided for the poor to be set to work.
The idle poor and vagrants were to be sent to a House of Correction or even prison.
Pauper children would become apprentices.>|
Idle poor and paups, eh? Not exactly Benefits Heaven, is it?
What's the name of that UK TV series about dole-dependent communities? Dole Drive? Alms Avenue? Welfare Wonderland?
|Dec-23-16|| ||MissScarlett: They didn't have flat screen Tvs back in the 16th century neither. What's your point?|
My point is that a country which concurrently and consistently runs large budget and trade deficits is ill-placed to afford an ever burgeoning welfare state.
|Dec-23-16|| ||Domdaniel: My point is that 16th century Xtian charity does not make a welfare state.|
Are you some kind of UKIPPER?
How fascinating. Most of the English people I know are at least half-civilized.
|Dec-23-16|| ||MissScarlett: <Act for the Relief of the Poor 1601>|
Welfare provided by the state = a welfare state. The notion that it began after WW2 is a modern liberal conceit.
|Jul-05-17|| ||Tabanus: "Dewhirst" seems certain, whereas only the orig. birth certificate could tell if it was "Fred" (which does seem likely) or "Frederick":|
1884, Civil Registration Birth Index: "Fred Yates"
1861 census, Birstall Yorkshire: his mother's family name is "Dewhirst"
1871 census, Gomersal Yorkshire: his mother's family name is "Dewhirst"
1891 census, Gomersal: "Fred Yates"
1901 census, Birstall: "Fred Yates"
1921 to 1926, Birstall electorial registers (orig.): "Fred Dewhirst Yates" (and "Fred Yates" before 1921)
1924: UK outward passenger list, Liverpool 1 March 1924 to New York: "Fred Dewhirst Yates" (and same name in NY incoming list 11 March)
1924: UK incoming passenger list, New York to Liverpool 24 March: "Fred Yates"
1932: Burials in the Parish of Birstall (orig. document): "Frederick Dewhirst Yates"
1932: Gravestone (https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/...) : "Fred Dewhirst Yates"
|Jul-06-17|| ||zanzibar: To update <Tomlinksky>'s links,|
Fred Dewhurst Yates (kibitz #30)
now that the Yorkshire site has gone dead:
|Oct-05-18|| ||MissScarlett: Winter calls the <Manchester Guardian>'s coverage of Yates's death the 'most comprehensive' that he'd seen. I draw attention to its piece on Yates's inquest here: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...|
But this excerpt from the article in the <Nottingham Guardian> of November 15th, p.5, has some interesting additional information:
<Virginia Arelo [other papers have <Av(a/e)llone>], proprietress of the boarding house, said Mr. Yates had a top room there for some years and owed about five weeks' rent. She was not concerned about the money.
Yates was a very quiet little man. She did not see much of him, and so far as she knew he had never threatened his life.
Miss Olive Holmes, a chambermaid, who discovered the tragedy, said some food was left outside Yates's room on Thursday, and was not touched. On Friday afternoon she smelt gas, and on going into the room, the door of which had to be forced, found Yates lying on the bed apparently in deep sleep. There were marks, apparently blood-stains, on the pillow.
P.c. Lewing, who was called, said the gas fire was turned off, and there were no indications that Yates had committed suicide. Dr. Price [elsewhere <Dr. White>] said there were no signs of violent death. What appeared to be blood stains were the result of vomiting after drinking coffee. Death was due to coal gas-poisoning.
Replying to the coroner, Dr. Price said that Yates may have been gassed in his sleep from a leak.>
I think the common assumption has been that Yates died 'peacefully' in his sleep, but this titbit about the vomit on the pillow raises its suggestive head - could it have been connected with Yates's death throes? If so, does it indicate that Yates may have conscious to some degree, at some point, during the process of asphyxiation? Alas, there's no detail about the amount of vomit, or whether there was any sign of it around the mouth and throat. One would also like to know about the presence of any coffee, alcohol or food within the stomach.
Then there's the vexing question of the time of death. Again, the assumption has been that Yates, discovered, apparently, on the afternoon of November 11th, died some time during the early hours of that Friday. But as there's no mention that the doctor determined such a timing, could he not equally have died any time on the Thursday after the chambermaid reported hearing him talking to himself that morning?
|Oct-06-18|| ||offramp: Interesting about Yates's coffee/vomit. I'll sleep on it.|
|Oct-07-18|| ||MissScarlett: Birmingham Gazette, November 12th 1932, p.7:
<MR. F. D. YATES, the world famous chess player and British champion in 1931, was yesterday found dead in bed at the Avalon Apartment Hotel, in Coram-street, Bloomsbury, W.C.
Detective-inspector Nunn, of Grays Inn-road, visited the hotel shortly afterwards, but not a letter was found in the dead man's room, neither was there any money.
The story of the tragedy reveals the pluck of two young girls who assist the proprietress of the boarding-house.
Miss Mabel Kennedy, who is in her teens, told a Gazette reporter that she took breakfast up to Mr. Yates' room on Thursday morning, and left it outside the door, but it was still there untouched yesterday.
Apparently Mr. Yates was rather eccentric as well as a sort of recluse, for Miss Kennedy said it was "nothing unusual" to find that Mr. Yates did not eat his meal, and that he often stayed in his bedroom all day as well as night.
"But as there were two letters for him in the afternoon," she explained, "I decided to take them up. As I reached the door, which was locked, I detected a strong smell of gas and receiving no answer to my knocks, I felt there was a tragedy inside because I knew he was there.
"So I went downstairs to a maid and we took up a hatchet and other things with which we prised open the door. And there, poor fellow, he was as though asleep. I knew at once he was dead because there was blood from his mouth on the pillow as well as the smell of gas. [...]>
|Oct-07-18|| ||MissScarlett: The Scotsman, November 12th 1932, p.16:
<One of the staff who was present at the tragic discovery told a reporter:- "He was most reserved and never entered into discussions with other residents. Ho was a man of meticulous habits, getting up each day between noon and one o'clock in time for lunch. Then he would go out, and we would probably see nothing of him until his breakfast was taken to him next morning.
"So far as I understand, his father and mother are not living, but I think he has two sisters in Yorkshire. I do not think that anyone has seen him since Wednesday morning, when his breakfast was taken to him. On that occasion, he remarked to the maid who took it up, 'Are you going to the Lord Mayor's Show?'
"That was the last we saw of him until he was found dead.
"Yesterday morning we went upstairs with his breakfast, but on knocking at the door we could get no reply. We heard him groaning slightly, but were not unduly alarmed.
"Practically the only people who had visited him here, were a gentleman and a youth with whom he used to play chess. Chess was an obsession with him. I think he was single, and between 40 and 44 years of age."
A member of the City of London Chess Club , of which Mr Yates was a member , said:— "Mr Yates was last here about a fortnight ago, when he played a friendly game. He was a good sport, but losing tho championship to Sultan Khan was no doubt a great disappointment.">
|Oct-12-18|| ||offramp: <Grays Inn-road>. I read a lot of Victorian literature.
It is very strange and very annoying that streets were written in that odd way: always with the hyphen. What’s with the hyphen fellas?|
BTW, in English we say “Oxford Street” and emphasise the OXFORD, and we say “Oxford Road” and emphasise the ROAD
|Oct-12-18|| ||moronovich: <What’s with the hyphen fellas?>|
Perhaps they are´nt street wise !?
|Nov-22-18|| ||MissScarlett: Well, I finally made it to <Coram-street> to pay homage to one of England's finest. Only five minutes walk from the match venue.|
|Nov-22-18|| ||sudoplatov: Yates lifetime against Marshall was 0 wins, 5 losses, 7 draws. Marshall won all 5 with Black. Perhaps Breyer was studying this matchup.|
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