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|Dec-22-16|| ||Nosnibor: It would seem that throughout most of his life Yates lived on the bread line and close to abject poverty. Many years ago a strong player I knew who had met him described him as having holes in his shoes and generally being somewhat rundown and struggling to find money for subsistence .In those days there was no state benefits.|
|Dec-22-16|| ||zanzibar: For Carlsen, chess is a sport. I'm sure for Yates it was an art.|
|Dec-22-16|| ||zanzibar: An extensive quote from Yates' 101 book:
<When Mr. Yates first informed me of his intention to compile a collection of his own best games I little thought that it would fall to my lot to complete the work as a " Yates Memorial Book." There has been a certain melancholy satisfaction in ensuring that these fine examples of our great player's style shall not be lost to the chess world, and I am confident that players of all grades will find both pleasure and instruction in playing them over.
Yates' full strength did not develop until after the war and consequently the examples of his earlier play have been limited to eighteen as compared with ninety of his later games. As regards the selection itself, at the time of his death Yates had completed the annotations of thirty games and had also collected a further large number which were found among his effects, but had not yet been provided with notes. Consequently the games chosen are those which Yates himself considered as the best examples of his style. The thirty games annotated by Yates are indicated in the text, the annotations to the remainder being by myself.
The games have been arranged according to the class of event in which they were played, commencing with International tourneys in chronological order, Team tournaments, British Championships, other British tournaments, personal matches, cable matches, and miscellaneous games. This last section is of necessity very limited owing to Yates' unfortunate habit of destroying the scores of his games immediately after they were played. Consequently many fine examples played in inter-club and county matches, etc., have never seen the light of day...>
|Dec-22-16|| ||zanzibar: <Karpova> Fred Dewhurst Yates (kibitz #7)|
<Sir Thomas [sic] and Yates are typical representatives of the English school and style of chess, especially Yates. This school, founded by the great combination of players, Blackburne and Mason and the ingenious, although less profound, Bird, always lay greater stress on a thorough study of each tactical unit of a scheme than on judging the expediency of such a scheme.>
What exactly is Alekhine saying when contrasting the "thorough study" versus "the expediency" of "each tactical unit of a scheme"?
|Dec-22-16|| ||Dionysius1: Sounds like the difference between whether a plan holds together and whether it's the right plan. But I'm guessing - whaddya say <Karpova>|
|Dec-22-16|| ||zanzibar: <Dionysius1> Unfortunately (for us at least) Karpova hasn't posted since June 2015|
Might be a bit of a wait for his reply.
|Dec-22-16|| ||Retireborn: I think Karpova was a lady woman of the fairer sex?|
|Dec-22-16|| ||Domdaniel: Yorkshire Relish.|
|Dec-22-16|| ||Domdaniel: In certain Slavic countries the genders are referred to as the <sterner> and <gentler> sexes...|
|Dec-22-16|| ||zanzibar: Ah, ... it can be a tricky business though, consider <MissScarlett> and <SallySimpson>.|
But it shows just how far I got with my Russian lessons, I was thinking <Karpova> could be a diminutive of <Karpov>.
But I guess that's not likely.
My default option is to use the masculine pronoun as default, given English's lack of gender neutrality.
Apologies to <Karpova>, if merited.
(What exactly does <Yorkshire Relish> denote, I wonder?)
|Dec-22-16|| ||Retireborn: That does happen eg Anatoly Karpov is "Tolya" to his friends, but -a on a surname usually indicates feminity, I think.|
|Dec-22-16|| ||Domdaniel: <Retireborn> Thank you for the Yorkshire Relish link ... I was amused to see the stuff is now made in Ireland.|
By 'Yorkshire Relish' I simply tried to pay homage to the Yorkshireman Yates. Well, it was a better option than Yorkshire Pudding.
|Dec-23-16|| ||Retireborn: Yorkshire Pudding with gravy is the Food of the Gods.|
|Dec-23-16|| ||Tabanus: Singaround Yorkshire https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lC...|
Boknakaran (Bokna lads, derived from boknafisk or half dried fish) is a group in my home town. Sorry for the offtopic post!
|Dec-23-16|| ||Retireborn: <Tab> Very pretty blonde lady. She can come and sing to me if she likes.|
|Dec-23-16|| ||zanzibar: Not believing my eyes, I immediately played that video, and was left wondering how <Tab> found this enjoyable, but slightly obscure, musical group...|
<Boknakaran (Bokna lads, derived from boknafisk or half dried fish) is a group in my home town.>
<Sorry for the offtopic post!>
I don't this the good Mr. Yates minds too much. He's rather proud of his Yorkshire heritage after all.
Here is his EDO page:
(Which also uses Dewhirst)
|Dec-23-16|| ||Domdaniel: Why did Alekhine include Mason in the 'English school' of chess?
Mason was born in Ireland and grew up in the USA.|
|Dec-23-16|| ||zanzibar: Speculating...
I believe it's partly due to Mason's heritage (back then Ireland/England wouldn't be much different to a Russian), and the fact that he returned to England in 1878 (Oxford).
I would guess that since his style was mostly developed by that point, with regards to your question.
I'm still wondering about some of Alekhine's comments.
|Dec-23-16|| ||MissScarlett: <.In those days there was no state benefits.>|
That's a bit harsh. There's been a welfare state in Britain since before we colonised America: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_f...
I heard on the radio recently the claim that whilst Britain is 1% of the world's population and 4% of its economy, it spends 7% of the global welfare budget.
By that, you could be forgiven for thinking that Britain is one of the very richest countries. Truth is, we're not in the world's top 20 of GDP per capita.
|Dec-23-16|| ||Domdaniel: <MissScarlett> Call this a welfare state?
<The impotent poor (people who can't work) were to be cared for in almshouse or a poorhouse. The law offered relief to people who were unable to work: mainly those who were "lame, impotent, old, blind".
The able-bodied poor were to be set to work in a House of Industry. Materials were to be provided for the poor to be set to work.
The idle poor and vagrants were to be sent to a House of Correction or even prison.
Pauper children would become apprentices.>|
Idle poor and paups, eh? Not exactly Benefits Heaven, is it?
What's the name of that UK TV series about dole-dependent communities? Dole Drive? Alms Avenue? Welfare Wonderland?
|Dec-23-16|| ||MissScarlett: They didn't have flat screen Tvs back in the 16th century neither. What's your point?|
My point is that a country which concurrently and consistently runs large budget and trade deficits is ill-placed to afford an ever burgeoning welfare state.
|Dec-23-16|| ||Domdaniel: My point is that 16th century Xtian charity does not make a welfare state.|
Are you some kind of UKIPPER?
How fascinating. Most of the English people I know are at least half-civilized.
|Dec-23-16|| ||MissScarlett: <Act for the Relief of the Poor 1601>|
Welfare provided by the state = a welfare state. The notion that it began after WW2 is a modern liberal conceit.
|Jul-05-17|| ||Tabanus: "Dewhirst" seems certain, whereas only the orig. birth certificate could tell if it was "Fred" (which does seem likely) or "Frederick":|
1884, Civil Registration Birth Index: "Fred Yates"
1861 census, Birstall Yorkshire: his mother's family name is "Dewhirst"
1871 census, Gomersal Yorkshire: his mother's family name is "Dewhirst"
1891 census, Gomersal: "Fred Yates"
1901 census, Birstall: "Fred Yates"
1921 to 1926, Birstall electorial registers (orig.): "Fred Dewhirst Yates" (and "Fred Yates" before 1921)
1924: UK outward passenger list, Liverpool 1 March 1924 to New York: "Fred Dewhirst Yates" (and same name in NY incoming list 11 March)
1924: UK incoming passenger list, New York to Liverpool 24 March: "Fred Yates"
1932: Burials in the Parish of Birstall (orig. document): "Frederick Dewhirst Yates"
1932: Gravestone (https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/...) : "Fred Dewhirst Yates"
|Jul-06-17|| ||zanzibar: To update <Tomlinksky>'s links,|
Fred Dewhurst Yates (kibitz #30)
now that the Yorkshire site has gone dead:
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