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Mikhail Tal vs Mikhail Botvinnik
"Winawer Winnowed" (game of the day Nov-19-2010)
Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1960), Moscow URS, rd 1, Mar-15
French Defense: Winawer. Classical Variation (C18)  ·  1-0
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May-29-15  RookFile: The main move was 11. Ne2 of course. I think Tal was trying to hit the "random" button with his play in this game. On the face of it the move does seem crazy, just a few moves later black's bishop goes to a4 and the king is running for its life. Tal was not lacking in courage. I think he baited Botvinnik in to premature aggression in this game.
May-30-15
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  Alex Schindler: Thanks! Tal's autobiography rly sounds like it's worth a read one of these days.
Jun-29-15
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  thegoodanarchist: I never liked the French Defense, in which it is almost a blunder to even think of castling.
Jul-09-15  Rama: I happen to be reading the book, and if you can find a copy I recommend it.

I Like the French, either side of it. But here in the Winawer I'd play 5. ... cxd4, 6. axb3 dxc3, 7. bxc3 Qc7 which now has some real bite. (Alekhine, notes on openings, NY24)

For black in the French, I'd say any time he can gain control of d4 he should.

Oct-17-15  Joules: This game is featured in 'Lisa: A Chess Novel' by GM Jesse Kraai. The quote <keypusher> mentions is in the novel. Along with notation from a few of these 1960 games in an appendix, in a central chapter of the book the two protagonists actively discuss and analyze this game.

The novel is about a young 13 year old Bay Area girl and her chess teacher, a fictionalized GM Igor Ivanov - Igor Ivanov vs Karpov, 1979. The novel, published in 2013, after Ivanov's death in 2005 is an excellent read for chess lovers. It gives an old patzer like me insights into experiencing the game at levels I can only dream about. Reviews at Amazon are quite good, http://amzn.com/0976848902. The author's website describes more. http://jessekraai.com

Apr-01-16  Conrad93: < The main move was 11. Ne2 of course. I think Tal was trying to hit the "random" button with his play in this game. On the face of it the move does seem crazy, just a few moves later black's bishop goes to a4 and the king is running for its life. >

Anyone who has played the PPV of the French would never suggest that 11. Ne2 is random. White wants to keep the option of playing f2-f4, and 11. Ne2 also has the bonus of protecting the c3 square in case of any checks.

Apr-01-16  Conrad93: I think Tal was the best French Defense player in the 60's besides maybe Kortchnoi.
Apr-01-16  N0B0DY: Probably your best comment ever, <C93>. <N0B0DY> likes it.
Apr-01-16
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  keypusher: <N0B0DY: Probably your best comment ever, <C93>. <N0B0DY> likes it.>

Nobody should, certainly. And just below that he says no one should be surprised by 11.Ne2, when it's clear that Rookfile is talking about 11.Kd1 (and Tal's general approach in this game).

I don't think anyone can be that clueless by accident. On the other hand, it is April 1.

Apr-01-16  catlover: It seems strange that Botvirnnik would play 29...Pxc4 when Tal's obvious recapture 30. Bxc4 does an X-ray attach on black's queen and rook, thereby losing material.
Apr-01-16  Conrad93: <I don't think anyone can be that clueless by accident. On the other hand, it is April 1.>

Oh, looky here, folks! A pretentious twat.

Apr-01-16
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  keypusher: <Conrad93: <I don't think anyone can be that clueless by accident. On the other hand, it is April 1.> Oh, looky here, folks! A pretentious twat.>

Well, Conrad, could you make a P.T.'s day and explain how Tal was the second-best French Defense player of the 1960s? Seeing that he played it twice during the decade, got one draw and one loss with it, and then swore it off?

Apr-02-16
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  perfidious: Give <donkrad> credit, gang--he knows all about pretentiousness, as well as having more than a passing familiarity with embodying traits of the other term....
Apr-02-16  AlicesKnight: On the chess theme, Botvinnik was not completely invulnerable playing Black in the French Winawer - cf. Alexander-Botvinnik, 1946, a celebrated win by the English code-breaker.
Apr-02-16  Conrad93: <Well, Conrad, could you make a P.T.'s day and explain how Tal was the second-best French Defense player of the 1960s? Seeing that he played it twice during the decade, got one draw and one loss with it, and then swore it off?>

Not sure where you are getting your information from, but he played it more than twice.

Apr-02-16  Conrad93: <: Give <donkrad> credit, gang--he knows all about pretentiousness, as well as having more than a passing familiarity with embodying traits of the other term....>

Your username and comments would suggest your you are an expert in pretentiousness and attention-seeking.

Apr-02-16  beatgiant: A quick search of chessgames.com where Tal played Black in the French turned up the following 3 games from 1960-1969: Fischer vs Tal, 1960, Vasiukov vs Tal, 1961, and Portisch vs Tal, 1961. What am I missing?
Apr-02-16
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  perfidious: Perfidious = pretentious?

Only in the delusional world of <donkrad>....

Apr-02-16
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  perfidious: The inference we may certainly draw is that Tal neither played the French particularly often in the sixties nor with great success, whether one classifies the game with Vasiukov as a French or a KIA.
Apr-02-16
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  keypusher: <beatgiant >. Well, I missed the Vasiukov game, because I was only looking at 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5. But Tal definitely played the French there...anyway, I remembered Tal writing in his autobiography that the Portisch game led to him abandoning the French.
Apr-02-16  beatgiant: <catlover> <It seems strange that Botvirnnik would play 29...Pxc4>

29...Ne7 30. cxd5 Nxd5 31. Bc4 doesn't work for Black either. Otherwise Botvinnik has to drop the d-pawn, leaving him two pawns down in a worse position.

Mar-21-17  lentil: I HAVE NO CLUE.
Mar-21-17
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  Petrosianic: ...And I must scream.
Nov-09-17
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  offramp: I would imagine that part of Botvinnik's match strategy was "do not get involved in tactical shoot outs with Tal." But as the world champion, his amour propre would probably urge him to try to beat Tal in a mle.
Nov-10-17  ughaibu: There appear to be two strategies for saving Conrad93's comment. 1. that the French Defence is played from both sides of the board, so a player facing the French is still a French Defence player. 2. if a player ever plays the French in a serious game, then they are a French Defence player, and the best of all such players is the best French Defence player.
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