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|Mar-09-18|| ||patzer2: I have this famous combination (23. Rxe4!!) in my "combinations to win a pawn with advantage" collection.|
After a fresh look at Fischer's 23. Rxe4!! in today's Friday puzzle (23. ?), the combination appears to be the decisive win of a pawn.
Our Stockfish 9 application's analysis of move 23.? initially gives 23. Rxe4!! a +1.34 advantage @ 38 ply.
However after forcing the program to analyze its own resulting positions, Stockfish 9 recognizes Fischer's extra pawn advantage is clearly decisive (i.e. 5 pawn advantage at the end of the above posted analysis).
|Mar-09-18|| ||samvega: I was primed for this puzzle by having earlier viewed the combination that ends this recently kibitzed game: P Burkart vs G Haubt, 1988|
|Mar-09-18|| ||morfishine: Practically all of Fischer's games are useless for puzzle purposes since (1) there's a relatively small pool of games to choose from & (2) these are too well known|
Perhaps using positions with the players names hidden would be an effective and practical way to use Fischer games for puzzle purposes
|Mar-09-18|| ||Petrosianic: Fischer's games aren't as well known as you'd think. Some of them are. Everything in M60MG is well known, as are his games from 1971-2 and the first game from 1992. Other than that, he's more kwown by reputation. I once tried to canvas opinion on Fischer's best game of 1968 and you could have heard a pin drop.|
|Mar-09-18|| ||patzer2: Instead of putting a dim Knight on the rim with 10...Na5 11. Re1 ±, Black does better with 10...b3 = as per our Stockfish 9 application's analysis of move 10...?.|
|Mar-09-18|| ||ACMEKINGKRUSHER: HAPPY BIRTHDAY BOBBY Wherever You Are,
This Game and so many others I've seen are Absolutely Fantastic! Even the dropped BISHOP in the'72 WC had Everyone Stymied!! Thanks for the Hours and Hours of FUN Reading and going over your past games! Our Club Loves your games as well!
Have you gotten a chance yet to meet and or PLAY MORPHY? Wonder who WON. Bet that's a game that won't make it to CG.C. Well Bobby It is getting Late. Got to Finish reading the rest of these notes on your game. Loved The EN PASSANT Move. Well, Do have a Great Birthday! Don't Forget to Say Howdy to MORPHY for me! ACME KING KRUSHER!
|Mar-09-18|| ||keypusher: Surprised this is a Friday puzzle ó I canít imagine ever figuring it out if I didnít already know it.|
|Mar-09-18|| ||morfishine: <Petrosianic> Understood. I actually went over all of Fischer's games in Wade's book, which totaled about 900 I think (took me quite awhile, maybe 2-3 months/I skipped over known games). |
Maybe I'm biased since I did that :)
|Mar-09-18|| ||PJs Studio: I got Rxe4 and xd4 but missed 29.f7 and 30.f8!
Take the exchange back with the extra material! What a beast from Ď68 - Ď72!
|Mar-09-18|| ||PJs Studio: Playing through the rest of the game and seeing Fischerís simplicity with converting a pawn up (winning of course) endgame where the opposing king is a tad better then uncorking 42.h3(!!) when I couldnít find anything attractive after a minute or two. |
Also, did Fischer ever write the continuation he was planing to play on move 48.? (Obviously, both Kd3 and h4 win easily.)
|Mar-09-18|| ||njchess: I only got this because I recognized the game. I might have thought of this over the board, after a great deal of thought. For me, it's not so much about the move, but the underlying idea or concept that is difficult for me to see.|
Fischer obviously saw that the rook would dominate the fourth row leaving Black's queen no escape. But how does one get there? How does one see 23. ♖xe4 ♕xg3 24. ♖xd4 that results in Black's queen being White's for the taking? Moreover, when did Bobby come to this realization? Granted Black walks into the trap with the very natural looking 22. ... e4?, but brilliant tactics from Bobby.
|Mar-09-18|| ||todicav23: I wonder if Schweber saw 24.Rxd4!! or it came as a big surprise.|
|Mar-09-18|| ||Cibator: <Lambda:> I've seen it asserted somewhere that, all else being balanced, B+B is almost equal to R+N.|
|Mar-09-18|| ||Cibator: Schweber joins that slightly melancholy club whose members have achieved fame for little more than being on the losing side of a brilliant game. (Others on the roll include Rotlewi, Napier and "two bishops" Bauer.)|
|Mar-09-18|| ||The Kings Domain: Good to see a Fischer win featured here on his birthday for a change. :-)|
Missed this puzzle even though I came across it some time back. Pretty brilliant victory by Fischer, the queen trap is neat and clever and one to remember.
|Mar-22-18|| ||Howard: Regarding Petrosianic's above-comment regarding Fischer's best game from 1968, I'd nominate two:|
His victory over Matulovic
And, also, his win against Saidy. Contrary to popular belief, that particular game took place in 1968, NOT 1969.
|Mar-22-18|| ||Olavi: Re Fischer 1968, his win against Czerniak has been much praised.|
|Sep-13-18|| ||harrylime: This is just so out there .
Bobby was so far ahead of his time it's not true...
|Mar-15-19|| ||al wazir: Black could have done better by playing 24...Qxd3, thereby reaching an endgame with opposite-colored ♗s.|
But I see I already said that in 2011.
|Mar-15-19|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: 19.Rf3--what a diabolical trap, tricking Black into thinking *he's* springing the trap with 19...f5. And it looks so strong; as late as 22...e4 it seems that Black has sprung a virulent counter, seized the initiative, and controls the game.|
And it's all pure illusion.
|Mar-15-19|| ||ChessHigherCat: I 4 1 didn't know the game and thought the combination was absolutely brilliant. I saw the theme of moving the rook in order to pin the queen of, course, but how many of us would have foreseen in a game that after QxQ white has time to play RxN and the black queen still has nowhere to go?
Answer: about 1/15th of the number of people who claim they would have seen it.|
|Mar-15-19|| ||HeMateMe: that's intense, brilliant.|
|Mar-15-19|| ||agb2002: This game/puzzle has already ten pages of posts...|
|Mar-15-19|| ||saturn2: I would have prefered 24...Qxd3 to 24...Qg4 for black.|
|Mar-15-19|| ||The17thPawn: Got the first four moves but didn't see the sequence to regain the exchange. Bit beyond my calculation abilities.|
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