|Jan-15-05|| ||activechess: El gordito schweber, personaje detestable del ajedrez argentino! |
|Jul-19-06|| ||BIDMONFA: Samuel Schweber|
|May-11-10|| ||GrahamClayton: According to Tim Krabbe's Chess Curiosities website, Scheweber is the only player to have promoted 2 pawns to Knights in the same game:|
|Jul-16-10|| ||wordfunph: <Scheweber is the only player to have promoted 2 pawns to Knights in the same game:>|
|Jul-16-10|| ||Phony Benoni: This is a strange statement by Krabbé, who is generally very reliable. He quotes this position from Schweber - Wexler, Buenos Aires, 1964 (the game is not in our database):|
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<46.c8N+ Rxc8 47.bxc8N+, and Black resigned. This is the only game with two knight promotions that were the strongest move. Promotions to Queen would have been equally strong, but as the Knight promotions were checks, they were more obvious, and therefore genuine.>
So Krabbé must have disqualified the following game, with which he was surely familiar:
G MacDonnell vs Bird, 1874
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And the game continued 22...f1N+ 23.Rhxf1 exf1N+. For the life of me, this seems exactly the same situation as the Schweber - Wexler game, and the only thing I can think of is that Krabbé does not consider the pawn promotions as Black's strongest moves. This is a very sensible criterion, by the way; it would be easy to promote pawns to knights while just fooling around.
|Oct-28-11|| ||lentil: Run through a translator, <activechess>' comment is "Schweber the fat, obnoxious character [of] Argentine chess". Surely this violates some guidelines. Chessgames: Please delete that comment (and this one too).|
|Oct-28-11|| ||keypusher: <lentil>
Here are the guidelines:
<No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
No spamming, advertising, or duplicating posts.
No personal attacks against other users.
Nothing in violation of United States law. >
I don't see the problem.
|Oct-28-11|| ||poorpatzer: Yeah lentil|
|Oct-28-11|| ||lentil: I would classify it as a personal attack (although perhaps Mr Schweber is not a user). It is certainly tasteless and childish name-calling.|
|Nov-04-11|| ||poorpatzer: Do you think a senile, 75 year old Argentine player whose biggest claim to fame is losing to Fischer (like everyone else) gives a flying fladoodle about what is said on his chessgames player page?|
|Nov-04-11|| ||lentil: Hmm: <Poorpatzer>: You are fat and obnoxious. Feel good? My point is that such invective is unacceptable. p.s. I will no longer respond to your replies.|
|Nov-04-11|| ||whiteshark: Bogo was fat, but Schweber?|
|Nov-04-11|| ||Karpova: Something positive in everything: Discussion of a chessplayer's looks is not restricted to the female chessplayers.|
|Nov-04-11|| ||Cibator: <Karpova:> makes a good point.|
<activechess:> should be required to justify his statement, preferably in English, or else take it down.
(BTW, doesn't "gordito" mean "little and fat"?)
|Nov-04-11|| ||whiteshark: <Cibator> Not on your nelly!|
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|Nov-07-11|| ||poorpatzer: I don't care what y'all think!
Oh <lentil> I'm not fat, I'm fluffy! So ha!
|Feb-23-12|| ||Fusilli: If I may throw my two cents, "ito" is the diminutive suffix for "gordo" (fat). "Gordito" would be like saying "little fat one", but not in the sense that the person was little, but that the person was overweight but not grossly so, although it can also be translated as the offensive "fatty". |
I would translate <activechess>' comment as "Fatty Schweber, obnoxious character of the Argentine chess scene". (Although "detestable" could conceivably be translated as the stronger "despicable".)
What can I say, Schweber indeed had a reputation for obnoxious (I use the past because I am recalling this from my teen years in Argentina). I would not think that "obnoxious" violates the guidelines for posting. Many people on this website would use the same or similar words for some grandmasters and they get posted.
The "fatty" part, as any derogatory remark about looks, is perhaps uglier. In <activechess>'s defense (what an ironic name for someone who showed up just once), who is probably Argentinian, this is culturally defined. In the US it sounds certainly much worse than it does in Argentina. I suspect Schweber has been called "gordo" many times to his face without getting his feelings hurt. I agree with that part of the sentence being offensive, but in this case I would respect freedom of expression, mostly because I think <activechess> meant to make a funny rather than an offensive remark, directed only to those who read Spanish and perhaps knew Schweber (he got me there), and knew Schweber would probably never read it.
Speaking of etiquette, I am appalled at the level of disrespect that goes on on this website sometimes--and among users, not on comments about players. For generic internet standards, however, it is pretty civilized for a website where most people post anonymously.
|Apr-13-13|| ||Caissanist: <What can I say, Schweber indeed had a reputation for obnoxious>|
Actually, any anecdotes of supposedly obnoxious behavior would be interesting (most of the top players in chess history have a number of those here). Just saying someone is "obnoxious" without any supporting statement seems kind of pointless though.