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Salomon Flohr vs Henri Grob
"Grobbeling on the Flohr" (game of the day Aug-30-14)
Match (1933)  ·  Queen Pawn Game: Krause Variation (D02)  ·  0-1
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May-18-06  SnoopDogg: <aw1988> Still Waiting.
Aug-11-06  aazqua: Wow. I have been "blinded" by this game for quite a while because Horowitz never reveals in his book (not a particularly good book) what the solution is. I'm stunned that I could look at this position for so long and miss it, but maybe that puts me in the same class as Flohr? Lol.
Aug-11-06  aazqua: Having been blinded myself, I would guess that the error in blindness wasn't in thinking the bishop couldn't move but rather that moving the king was never even considered. The obvious threat is the f1 and g2 through the diagonal and there are so many queen and bishop combinations to examine that king is forgotten.
Aug-11-06  aazqua: White's play in this game is atrocious. F4?? Wasn't flohr supposed to be pretty good? How did he play b*p and then q-k4 without having a response to q-n5??? He could always have played b-n2 and settled for a draw.
Jun-04-07
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  Richard Taylor: Oops! Good game by Grob.
May-27-08  Alphastar: White could not find a way to defend against the <MATING FOCAL POINT> f1, so he <RESIGNED>. He thought that he would have to move the queen, however the queen also <DEFENDS> d5 so when she goes to b1 or e1, the Bd5 is <UNDEFENDED>. A simple case of being <OVERWORKED>.

Do I sound like notyetagm yet?

May-27-08  gus inn: Yes you do ! But nothing to be ashamed off .
May-23-09  Hugh the Drover: Grob grinds Flohr's initiative to a halt, proving the superiority of pepper over salt. Black moves h6 for his back-rank air, but White moves g3 for his Luft, beware. He's stung by the grip of Black's Bh3, milling coarse pepper from Tellicherry.
Feb-19-13
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  kevin86: This was Flohr's only loss to Grob in eight games!
Feb-19-13
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  perfidious: <Alphastar> You've got to remember that a diagram is needed after every move as well; your portrayal above is bang on, though!
Jun-04-13
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  sfm: One to the list of people who resigned in won positions.

Tim Krabbes page, very enjoyable, does not include this game.

http://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess2/...

Jun-04-13
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  OhioChessFan: White missed the best defense. But with the drafty King, I think it's a stretch to say White is winning.
Aug-21-14  posoo: "Grobeling on da flohr."

POSOO SAID IT

Aug-30-14
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  offramp: Good pun, Posoo. Not sure if there's been a Flohr/floor pun before for GOTD.
Aug-30-14
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  morfishine: The 'O' in 'Grob' is long, as in 'obituary', which is where this pun ends up

*****

Aug-30-14
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  HeMateMe: He did the Worm.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSZ...>

best at :20

Aug-30-14  Vinod S U: How could he not see a bishop on F2,,,... flohr sheer blindness in chess!!!!
Aug-30-14
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  NM JRousselle: What Flohr likely missed was Bg1 and not Kh1. In my experience, the most difficult moves to find are retreating moves, especially along a diagonal.

In 1963 Fischer gave a simul in New Orleans. One of his losses was game where he overlooked a simple bishop retreat.

Aug-30-14
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  kevin86: How sad! Btw, the book does mention white's escape- check again, it might be a footnote.
Aug-30-14  Francio: <Offramp:Not sure if there's been a Flohr/floor pun before for GOTD.> Sokolsky vs Flohr, 1953
Aug-30-14  posoo: LOL morfoos, NOBODY calls it da GROBE any more than people say "ALYOKIN"

I bet you call it meheeco too lililo

Aug-30-14  Tim Delaney: <OhioChessFan: White missed the best defense. But with the drafty King, I think it's a stretch to say White is winning.>

The win is difficult, but I believe it's there. If black attempts to defend the f7 pawn passively, White wins the b7 pawn. Black cannot take his queen out of play with Qf1+ without giving up the f7 pawn via be6. Eventually, with careful play, White can bring his king toward the center and mobilize the Kingside pawns. Granted, Black has drawing chances, but I believe white can prevail. But as you imply, it's not a walk in the park for White.

Aug-30-14  adamico: <Francio> <Offramp>

Also, this GOTD pun relates to the Flohr variation of the Ruy Lopez: Kasparov vs Karpov, 1986

Aug-31-14
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  FSR: Houdini 3 analyzes <26. Kh1 Qf1+ 27. Bg1 Bg4 28. Qg2 Qd3 29. h3 Bf5 30. Qf3 Qb1 31. Qe3 Bd7 32. Qe4 Qf1 33. Qg2 Qd1> (also possible is 33... Bxh3 34. Qxf1 Bxf1 35. Bxb7 Kf8 36. Be3 a5) <34. Kh2 Bxd4 35. Bxd4 Qxd4 36. Bxb7 a5 37. a3 g6> and Black will hold the draw (+0.23).
Aug-31-14
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  morfishine: <posoo> Nice try, keep digging
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