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| Feb-23-04 | | TrueFiendish: After 12...Ra4!? white is defending a piece down against the best attacker there's been. |
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| Oct-16-04 | | rogerclemens: what about 14. c3 , attacking the rook, which then doesn't have many places to go... eg. 14 c3 Qxe4+ 15 Kf1 doesn't white have too many threats? In different resulting variations, the knights seem untouchable, for if the queen takes one, then the queen gets forked... what am I missing |
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Oct-16-04
 | | tpstar: <rogerclemens> Hello! Welcome to the group! The c3 advance is typical for this variation, allowing for Nc2 & Nce3, but of course not as helpful after 11. Bxb5?! like here. On 14. c3?! Qxe4+ 15. Kf1 (15. Kd2?? Qxd5+) Qc4+ 16. Kg1 Rxa2, and now if 17. Nbc7+ Kd8 18. Nb6 Qe2 holds. Similarly 16. Ke1!? Rxa2 17. Nbc7+ Kd8 18. Nb6?! Rxa1 19. Qxa1 Qe4+ & 20 ... Kxc7 wins. If you find any improvements, pitch 'em at us. ;>) |
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| Dec-23-04 | | familyguy: I suggest for a improvement instead of 17 a4, try 17Qc2 now i looked at some variations one is 17...fxe4 18qxe4 18bh3 19Rf2 if 10..f5 then 20...qc4 looks nice the idea (Qc2) is that it puts the queen on a better defensive/attacking square that then allows white to continue either a pawn march as in the game or mobilization of the a and f rooks |
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| Dec-23-04 | | familyguy: i meant in the game itself not to tpstar |
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| Dec-23-04 | | Avion: It's that kind of game that make me wonder why I am playing ches... May I ever understand that game??? |
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| Dec-23-04 | | azaris: <Avion> Incidentally, that's exactly what Shirov thought as well! |
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| Dec-25-04 | | familyguy: yo does anyone have any analysis of my idea of 17 qc2 just give me a post on here peace merry christmas |
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| Dec-25-04 | | maoam: <familyguy>
Analyse 17.Qc2 so you can devote your time to solving the Riemann hypothesis? I think not ;) Perhaps 17.Qc2 fxe4 18.Qxe4 Ne7 with either (A) 19.Nxe7 Bxe7 20.a4 Bh3!? 21.Rf2 Qg4 or (B) 19.Nbc7!? f5!? 20.Qe2 Nxd5 21.Nxd5 Ra7 22.fxe5 Rag7 putting pressure on White's kingside. |
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| Dec-29-04 | | familyguy: thanks for your reply maoam but I dont like 20 a4 in your analysis of line a but i have to check for something better anyway i like the idea of ne7 i agree that is probably blacks best reply in this case anyone got any other ideas to keep shirov's f4 alive?? |
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Sep-13-05
 | | TheAlchemist: Kasparov wrote: "After 15...Kd8!! I don't see a way for Black NOT to win this game." Typical Garry :-) Incidentally, 11.Bxb5 had been played by Shirov before, with much success as well, especially with the 13.b4 follow-up. This game put it out of business for good. That's why Garry played 2...Nc6 in the first place. He didn't play it for many years, but he thought 11.Bxb5 was simply incorrect, so he challenged Shirov to prove him wrong. And Shirov, who had probably prepared for a Najdorf or Schevenigen, chose what he knew best. |
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| May-12-06 | | spirit: <TheAlchemist>GAZZA himself used this line in the 70s,but played 13.Nbc7+.eg Kasparov vs R Pape, 1979 Shirov undoubtedly knew this but probably thought his 13.b4 continuation was better.GAZZA dumped this line! |
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| Aug-13-06 | | Bufon: Amazing how easy Kasparov exploits Shirov mistakes, and he didnt even castled his king! |
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| Apr-22-09 | | aazqua: Kasparov wrote: "After 15...Kd8!! I don't see a way for Black NOT to win this game." Typical Garry :-) I tend to agree with Garry (usually a good thing). f5 is just a strange move. It's understandable to want to open up the center but this weakens white more than black and this opening is all about tempo and lines. In fact, Shirov's moves 15-18, with the possible exception of c3, are all bad, and by the time move 19 rolls around he's done for. |
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| Jun-10-09 | | hedgeh0g: That Black Queen on d5 at the end of the game is just so powerful: forking the Rook on a2, the pawn on g2 and the key back-rank d1 square. Wonderful centralisation! |
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Oct-17-09
 | | Richard Taylor: <Bufon: Amazing how easy Kasparov exploits Shirov mistakes, and he didnt even castled his king!> It's called "opening preparation". |
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| Jul-03-10 | | HannibalSchlecter: Shirov, the bull$*it stops here! |
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Jul-03-10
 | | Honza Cervenka: I am not at all convinced that Gazza was won out of the opening. Even after 15...Kd8 to which Gazza gave in his typically humble way two exclamation marks the game is rather unclear than better for black, not to say won. In a game Li Shilong vs Zhao Jun, 2006 played in Chinese championship four years later white played 16.Nb6!? Rxb4 17.Nxc8 Kxc8 18.Qd5 with attack that led to quick collapse of black's game and loss though black's defence was argueably far from perfect. Also Shirov's 16.c3 was still probably good and he lost the track only in following moves which were too slow and passive. On the other hand, Gazza missed very powerful and lovely 19...Nd4 though 19...e3 was good enough to keep momentum of black counter-attack. The rest was an one-sided massacre. |
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| Oct-30-10 | | acme: Why not 13. Nbc7+ Kd7 14. Nb6+ Kxc7 15. Nxa4? |
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Oct-31-10
 | | Sastre: After <13.Nbc7+ Kd7 14.Nb6+ Kxc7 15.Nxa4 Rg8 16.O-O fxe4 17.Kh1 Qg5 18.Rg1 Nd4> I think it's Black who has the initiative. Although the Black king looks exposed, Black has more active pieces and better development. |
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| May-27-11 | | onlinechesslessons: Awesome game by Kasparov, continuing his dominance of Shirov (I think he had a lifetime score of 13 wins, 0 losses, and a bunch of draws against Shirov) - I decided to make a video covering this game, available at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqnl... Cheers!! |
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| Jul-21-12 | | ahmadov: That was too difficult for me to understand this game while playing through Guess the Move. |
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| Jan-20-19 | | Damenlaeuferbauer: This was the first game I kibitzed (watched) on Chessgames.com more than 16,5 years ago. By the way, like many other greats from the 90's (e.g. M. Adams, E. Bareev, A. Dreev, B. Gelfand, M. Gurevich, A. Khalifman, A. Morozevich, P. Leko, J. Polgar and V. Salov), Alexey Shirov never won a regular game against Garry Kasparov. Only WC V. Anand, B. Gulko, V. Ivanchuk, WC A. Karpov, WC V. Kramnik, WC Tigran Petrosian, WC B. Spassky, J. Timman and V. Topalov bet "the boy/beast from Baku" more than one time and were therefore a class of their own. |
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Jun-11-19
 | | plang: Shirov had played 11 Bxb5!? a couple of times in non-classical games with success; perhaps that is why Kasparov played 2..Nc6. 13..Qh4 was a relatively new idea; 13..Rxb4 is the main line. 15 f4!? was new and very sharp; 15 c3 and 15 c4 had each been played in 2001 and are more solid. Starting with 16 c3?! White was too slow in developing concrete threats; 16 Nb6 has been played in three games since this one. After 17 a4?! and 18 f5? White was lost; 18 Ndc7 was suggested as an improvement though Black, at that point, had taken over the initiative. Voted the 3rd best game in Informant #84. |
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| Apr-03-21 | | spaceisgreat: Surprisingly Shirov was not lost out of the opening, and Kasparov's comment that "After 15...Kd8!! I don't see a way for Black NOT to win this game" is incorrect and just seems arrogant. The losing move was 17. a4? instead of 17. Nbc7! with a game that should end in a draw with perfect play, although obviously all three results are possible. I hope to get the chance to use 11. Bxb5!? some day. |
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