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|Dec-08-10|| ||chessgames.com: We hope to see you all back tomorrow. Remember, tomorrow's round starts at 11:00am USA/Eastern.|
|Dec-08-10|| ||4tmac: Good show CG! Thanks :)|
|Dec-08-10|| ||turbo231: No one has beaten Naka for a while. He's hard to beat.|
|Dec-08-10|| ||Eyal: <If the king heads to b3 then Black goes onto the f8-a3 diagonal.> Yeah, and if White plays c5 then Black puts the bishop on c7/d8 to cover a5. There doesn't seem to be any way of breaking through.|
|Dec-08-10|| ||perfidious: Uncommon Opening, is it? While I'm sure this will get corrected, this opening is entirely too common nowadays!|
|Dec-08-10|| ||Ulhumbrus: If the bishop and pawns ending cannot be won after 31 Ke2, this suggests preparing Kg2 by 29 Rd2.|
|Dec-08-10|| ||Monoceros: <turbo231: No one has beaten Naka for a while. He's hard to beat.>|
It takes some work to lose to him as well, apparently.
|Dec-08-10|| ||Eyal: I'm still not sure the Berlin is such a good choice for Nakamura as Black – both here and in the game vs. Karjakin from the recent Tal Memorial he got into rather difficult positions out of the opening. He did show himself as a good defender in both games, though.|
|Dec-08-10|| ||Ulhumbrus: 13...Ne7 permits Nd4 while 14...c5 prevents it. This suggests 14 Nd4 instead of 14 Rfe1 eg 14 Nd4 c5 15 e6 fxe6 16 Nf3|
|Dec-08-10|| ||parmetd: perfidious Uncommon Opening is the label to any opening when its live broadcast. It's obviously C67 Berlin. It will be fixed soon.|
|Dec-08-10|| ||Shams: Pretty comfortable looking draw for Nakamura. The Berlin seems most uncharacteristic of his play.|
<Monoceros> That's funny.
|Dec-08-10|| ||Eyal: Commentary by Dennis Monokroussos on a key moment in the game:|
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Zugzwang. If the bishop moves, he must either drop the c5 pawn or allow White's king to continue its journey up the board. If the Black king moves, then White achieves Kg4 followed by f4-f5, which is enough progress to win the game. Black makes the correct choice.
44...Bf6! [44...Bd6+ 45.Kh4 Be7+ 46.Kh5 Bf8 Now White sets up another zugzwang. 47.Bd2 Bg7 48.Bc1 Bf8 49.Be3 Again, if Black wants to keep the pawn, he must give ground. 49...Bd6 50.Kh6 Kf6 51.Kh7 Kf7 52.Bg5 If Black's king moves, White makes decisive progress. So the bishop moves - 52...Bf8 - but now White's f-pawn advances. 53.f4 Bd6 54.Kh6! Bf8+ 55.Kh5 Bd6 56.f5 and now White should win, e.g. 56...Bc7 57.Kg4 Bd6 58.Be3 Kg7 59.Kf3 Kf6 60.Ke4 Be7 61.f3 Bf8 62.Bf4 Be7 63.Bg3 Bf8 64.Bh4+ Kf7 65.Ke5 and Kd6 happens very, very soon, followed by the consumption of all Black's pawns.]
45.Bxc5 The good news for White: he won the pawn. The bad news: there's no more good news. Black can maintain his fortress, preventing White from breaking through on the h-file or the center.> (http://www.thechessmind.net/storage...)
|Dec-08-10|| ||perfidious: <parmetd> Guess you've no sense of humour. BTW, I could probably tell you most of the ECO codes, so don't waste time with your foolishness and sarcasm-use it on another novice like yourself!|
|Dec-08-10|| ||polarmis: Here's the final version of Sergey Shipov's commentary on the game: http://www.chessintranslation.com/2...|
His comment on the above position: <And there’s the promised zugzwang. Black really wants to simply jump on the spot and press his clock again. But the rules don’t allow it.>
|Dec-09-10|| ||parmetd: Huh, I didn't mean to insult you (if Indeed I did that somewhere?!). I was just answering your question on why its marked as Uncommon Opening. Do not be offended that I know eco codes sheesh. People these days, help them out and they go on a rampage.|
|Dec-09-10|| ||rilkefan: <parmetd>: <if Indeed I did that somewhere?!>|
Pretty comical chain of misunderstandings, but you at least were entirely civil. <perfidious> misread you as lecturing him after missing his joke about the Berlin being too common.
|Dec-09-10|| ||acirce: <Anand played the now-typical e5-e6 pawn sac for strong play and scooped up a pawn on the kingside during the general liquidation. But Nakamura found a remarkable blockade setup and there was nothing White could do. By some miracle the position with two extra doubled pawns is drawn, even with the bishops of the same color. Wow. Anand has always been a bit lackadaisical in his approach to technical positions so it would be interesting to see where he might have diverged to keep more material and winning chances on the board. The game has a faint smell of "well of course this must be winning so I'll get there and then figure out the details."> http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt...|
|Dec-09-10|| ||perfidious: <parmetd>, <rilkefan> The rampage has not yet begun!|
Regardless of the ECO code (and I can only wish this opening WERE uncommon), I have a hard time stomaching the thought of players with dynamic styles such as Nakamura and Shirov playing the Black side of this line. When Arthur Bisguier was the only GM adopting this, it was another story, but the height of fashion now? Ugh!
|Dec-09-10|| ||Ulhumbrus: John Nunn or the commentators or all three pointed out that after 25...Kxa8 the black king was out of play. This suggests that White is advised well to keep one Rook on and to use that rook to cut Black's King off from the King side. One alternative which this suggests is 29 Bd2 Kd7 30 Re1 hindering the entry of Black's King into the King side|
|Dec-09-10|| ||OhioChessFan: <Ulhumbrus> no way Black would accomodate that by moving the King on his 29th. Maybe 29. Bd2 Rh3 30. Kg2 Rh2+ 31. Kf1 Rh1+ 32. Ke2 Rxd1 33. Kxd1 Kd7 and it doesn't seem much different than the game.|
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|Dec-10-10|| ||PokerPro: Can someone please explain 11..Kc8...thx|
|Dec-10-10|| ||moronovich: 11..Kc8 is aking for B7 which is a good square for the king(also combined with pawnpushing later on on the queenside 4 vs 3).As well as connecting the rooks,making d8 available for a black rook and also playing with exchanging a pair of rooks hence taking some energy out of the white pressure and diminishing his slight plus in piece development.
We cann´t demand more from one little move ;)|
|Dec-10-10|| ||Ulhumbrus: <OhioChessFan> The idea is not only to hinder the black king's entry into the king side but also to avoid exchanging Rooks|
|Dec-11-10|| ||algete: que pringao este Anand !
¿como hace tablas aquí?
|Mar-15-11|| ||Penguincw: < Spanish Game: Berlin Defense. Berlin Wall J. Rogers Line > |
What does <J.Rogers> stand for? Jolly Rogers?
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