| Dec-20-04 | | erasmus: there's something wrong with the picture. This will arrive after the player's have followed the main line continuing with 5. d4 exd4 6. cxd4 |
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| Feb-28-05 | | rochade18: it is not really wrong, you will often see that - but if hitting "explore this opening" it will be ok |
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| May-31-08 | | ruelas007: My favourite opening and the least kibitzed? |
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| Aug-08-09 | | SamAtoms1980: Opening of the Day, when I have the white pieces this is often the way I go. |
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| Apr-27-10 | | rapidcitychess: Does anyone here regularly play the Moeller Attack? I thinking about it but I need "master support". |
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| Aug-22-10 | | rapidcitychess: Well with my flashy new membership I looked it up.
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 exd4 6. cxd4 Bb4+ 7. Nc3 Nxe4 8. O-O Bxc3 9. d5 Bf6 10. Re1 Ne7 11. Rxe4 d6 12. Bg5 Bxg5 13. Nxg5 h6 14. Qe2 hxg5 15. Re1 Be6 16. dxe6 f6 That's the popular line, why does it score so low? It seems like a great pawn on e6, his kingside is wrecked, and white has some chances for attack on the king by the h5-e8 line. <Once> again, why does the line score close to 10% for white, 70% for black! Is there a forced win? |
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| May-20-11 | | janatoli2: <rapidcitychess> there is no forced win and the line is indeed tricky. After 16.... f6 17. Re3!? (idea Rh3 etc.) black has to find 17. ... c6! (and not d5). Maybe it is more tricky to delay the capture of blacks queens bishop and play 16. Re3 directly.
But you know that black can also play the solid 13. ... 0-0, right? (What would you play in such a case?) |
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| Dec-29-14 | | Sorrowdy: To rapidcitychess: Yes, this line is very bad for white, I think I know all the 7.Nc3 line as nobody on this planet because I analyze it for 30 years already :) The move 14. Qe2 is weak. Much more better is 14.Qa4! There is no attack then but changes are equal. My all analyses are on www.sorrowdy.mysteria.cz and unfortunately it is only in Czech language but there are translator very usefull today and moves are very simple to understand. K=K, D=Q, V=R, S=B, J=N, |
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| Jul-26-19 | | Chesgambit: now nobody playing this varition
but this varition give edge for white |
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| Jul-26-19 | | Chesgambit: I saying Italian game : Greco gambit , old varitions |
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| Sep-08-20 | | wkrol: Super gambit in Giuoco Piano C54 for white and black please on my blog:www.krolaszachykor.blogspot.com
Greeting all from Poland :-) |
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| Sep-08-20 | | login:
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| Sep-08-20 | | wkrol: You can find other gambits on my blog, for example super gambit in Ruy Lopez (C78) -
http://www.szachowe.pl/viewtopic.ph... oraz w tym temacie na moim blogu
Dzięki za życzenia i przestrogę :-) |
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| Sep-15-20 | | login:
Nie ma za co ;)
Gambits from A to Z http://studimonetari.org/edg/ Cieszyć się
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| Oct-31-22 | | Amarande: It just seems like this opening has kinda petered out under the weight of analysis, like draughts or tic-tac-toe, even. When it was less well known you got classics like Steinitz vs. von Bardeleben (7 ... d5? involves Black in difficulties), or the various ways in which the Moller can turn bad in one misstep. Oh gods, the Moller. Often the wrong move actually looks even more logical than the right one here. Tarraschian-school players probably tear their hair out when faced with it. E.g., in the game given at the end of this post, where 11 ... f5! is in fact the <coup juste>, while 11 ... Ncd6?, which on the surface looks much better, is in fact a well-known trap where Black is already lost after 12 Qxg7! Or in the alternative Moller line with 9 ... Bf6 10 Re1 Ne7 11 Rxe4 d6 12 Bg5 Bxg5 13 Nxg5, it seems very rational to play 13 ... Bf5? as Michell did in the famous 1907 cable match game, yet 14 Qf3! is in fact already winning, with Black having nothing better than to play 14 ... O-O and give up N+B for R with a +3.07 advantage for White (Michell played 14 ... Qd7 which lost sparklingly to the deflection 15 Bb5! etc.). Stockfish suggests 13 ... h6 with apparently a small advantage for Black; 13 ... O-O also being alright despite seeming like a castling-into-it situation (it's not, because Bf5 becomes safe after castling. Move order matters!). But if you're wise to the tactical traps, sadly, this once-beloved line of the Romantic Era, while certainly sound, has really run out of powder. If you still want to get something interesting out of the Giuoco these days then I'm going to pretty much have to suggest you venture into the Evans. I'll conclude with a short boring example I recently played as Black :) 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nf6 3 Bc4 Bc5 4 c3 Nf6 5 d4 exd4 6 cxd4 Bb4+ 7 Nc3 Nxe4 8 O-O Bxc3 9 d5 Ne5 10 bxc3 Nxc4 11 Qd4 f5 12 Qxc4 d6 13 Re1 O-O 14 Nd4 Qh4 15 g3 Qh3 16 Qxc7 Rf7 17 Qd8+ Rf8 18 Qc7 - and it was already quite past time to sign the peace treaty. 1/2-1/2 |
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| Mar-02-23 | | Messiah: The Moller is a hyper-interesting line, I like it with both colours. |
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| Sep-22-23 | | JustWoodshifting: [Event "High-Level Engine Match"]
[Site "My Burgh"]
[Date "2023.09.20"]
[Round "1.1"]
[White "Dragon by Komodo Chess 2, Aggressive"]
[Black "Stockfish 16"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C54"]
[WhiteElo "3508"]
[BlackElo "3539"]
[Annotator "Karl"]
[PlyCount "55"]
[EventCountry "CAN"]
-- C54: Italian Game: Giuoco ♙iano -- 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3
Nf6 -- End of Setup -- 5. d3 d6 6. O-O O-O 7. h3 a6 8. a4 Ba7 9. Re1 Re8
-- End of Opening ♗ook Moves -- 10. Nbd2 h6 11. b4 Be6 12. Bxe6 Rxe6 13. Qc2
Qd7 14. Rb1 b5 15. Ra1 Rae8 16. Nb3 Bb6 17. Be3 Bxe3 18. Rxe3 R6e7 19. axb5
axb5 20. Rae1 Kh8 21. Qb1 Ra8 22. d4 Ree8 23. dxe5 Nxe5 24. Nxe5 dxe5 25. Rd3
Qc6 26. Qd1 Re6 27. Rd8+ Rxd8 28. Qxd8+ 1/2-1/2 |
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