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| Jun-20-07 |
| yxcvbnm: not seems to have been quite a friend of draws. right? |
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Jun-20-07
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| cu8sfan: What an inspiring name for a GotD pun... (-: |
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Jun-20-07
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| Wild Bill: <cu8sfan>:
We can use pictures from the 1968 movie.
Is there a game that features a McQueen sacrifice?
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Jun-20-07
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| fm avari viraf: Indeed, very sad to learn that Gordon Crown passed away as a teenager. May God Bless His Soul Peace in Heaven. |
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| Dec-08-07 |
| Jim Bartle: I heard he had an affair. Two, in fact. |
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Dec-08-07
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| Benzol: <Jim> It would be a good pun for one of his games. "The Thomas Crown Affair". |
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May-21-08
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| vonKrolock: Two Crown photos online - one a fine portrait, and the other a very sugestive caption of him playing the last move in his famous game G Crown vs Kotov, 1947 Thanks to Edward Winter |
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Jun-20-08
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| brankat: A terrible loss to all of Chess world was such a tragically premature death of this very talented young man. R.I.P. Mr.Crown. |
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| Jun-20-09 |
| WhiteRook48: the king with the crown |
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Jun-20-09
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| ray keene: is there a link to the fotos? |
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Jun-20-09
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| ray keene: i am astonished that the player of the day for june 20 has so far just 2 or 3 kibitzes-any one who comes here shd play thru his win v kotov!! |
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Jun-20-09
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| Domdaniel: Crown was indeed a very promising player in the 1940s, and his early death a sad loss. But the biog here, as currently worded, contains some small inaccuracies -- ambiguities, if not quite errors. For example: (1) <"he played 4th board for Britain against Alexander Kotov ..."> The error: he was playing in a match between England and the USSR. This is not the same as playing for Britain, and should be corrected. The ambiguity: the wording seems to imply that the match itself was against Kotov, rather than a Soviet (USSR) team on which Kotov played 4th board. The context of the match and the overall number of boards should be given. (2) <"but died during the operation as he was a diabetic"> Even in the 1940s, one did not automatically follow from the other. Prior to 1930 or so diabetics had a very poor survival rate if any kind of complications set in, but insulin treatment was developed in the 1930s and improved significantly by 1946-47. So Crown cannot be said to have died during the operation "as he was a diabetic". (I'm open to correction on this if somebody knows more about Crown's case, but this is my understanding of the historical development of treatment for diabetics.) I suggest a different wording, something like <"Crown, who was diabetic, was rushed to hospital in November 1947 suffering from peritonitis, but complications set in and he died during surgery."> Perhaps this level of detail is not really necessary, and something more concise would do. These may seem like trivial points -- but I'm sure most people would agree with me that CG's biogs should be as accurate as possible, and ambiguities should be avoided. On a broader scale, it might be a good idea in the long run if these biogs were to include brief references or citations. Nothing too elaborate -- just, perhaps, a reference to a biography if one exists, or to a magazine article or website if that happens to be the main historical source. Without references, readers have no way of verifying information -- something that still damages the reliability of, for example, some wikipedia entries. Finally, on a different note -- are there more of his games out there? There must be ... and we should try to track some down. |
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Jun-20-09
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| vonKrolock: <ray keene: is there a link to the fotos?> yes, in "Chess Notes" 5583 here http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... |
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Jun-20-09
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| Domdaniel: The good news is, I found a drawn game in another database. The bad news is it's zero moves long. |
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| Jun-20-09 |
| Jim Bartle: Well, could you at least post the final position? |
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Jun-20-09
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| vonKrolock: The other Crown has only a draw in his credit - but it was Fischer vs S Crown, 1964 S. for Steve?! - well, but not <McQueen> - who played, by the way, a <Thomas Crown>, but not Gordon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA8Y... |
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Jun-21-09
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| ray keene: thanks for the foto ref-very sad indeed |
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Jun-21-09
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| roberts partner: First, the 1947 match was definitely Britain v USSR (as were the preceding 1946 radio match and the subsequent 1954 match in London) and not England v USSR as domdaniel claims and as chessgames.com now mistakenly states in its changed introduction. The book of the 1947 match by William Winter and Gregory Levenfish (you can find references to it online) is entitled Great Britain v USSR. The 1947 team included a Scot, Dr James Aitken, who played Vyacheslav Ragozin. Aitken also played against Igor Bondarevsky in 1946, while in 1954 the Scot William Fairhurst played, scoring a draw against Isaac Boleslavsky in the British team's crushing 1.5-18.5 defeat. Second, as to the circumstances of Crown's death. The finger of blame must be pointed at the family doctor for failing to make a timely correct diagnosis. On Sunday 16 November 1947 a chess friend visited the Crown home at Ingledene Road, Liverpool, and found Crown in bed. He explained that his doctor had diagnosed a stomach upset and had recommended rest. The friend and Crown played and analysed together for several hours, and Crown did not appear in any physical discomfort. But that night sfter the friend left his condition deteriorated and he was rushed to hospital where he died in the early morning hours of 17 November. There was also a belief among some Liverpool chessplayers that the hospital procedures could have been better. On another thread some CG posters expressed surprise at the Ritson Morry v Crown game where Morry fell into a well-known opening trap. The British championship at Harrogate in August 1947 was played in a spa building where the underfloor heating was still switched on. This coincided with one of the warmest summers on record (it was the year in which Compton and Edrich made their memorable cricket achievements for Middlesex). By the second week of the BCF congress older and overweight players (the latter group including Ritson Morry) were wilting. Ritson also had some long adjourned games, and by the time of his game with Crown in the final round was exhausted. The game finished in 15-20 minutes so by the time other players went to spectate after their opening moves there was just a reset board with no sign of the players and no indication of what had transpired. Other final round results went Crown's way so that he finished third outright and thus got selected on a high board for the USSR match. Crown was a hard chess worker, very well versed in opening theory, ambitious and self-critical, and improving fast at the time of his death. He was also charmingly pleasant, articulate, outgoing, and an excellent and prolific writer. If he had had a normal lifespan he would probably have reached a higher level than Penrose and English chess would have become competitive at world level much earlier than it did. |
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Jun-21-09
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| ray keene: incredibly well informed-this kibitzer must be someone with a highly detailed knowledge of british chess-my guess is peter c gibbs -but of course i cd easily be wrong! |
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Jun-21-09
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| Benzol: Was the visiting chess friend Len Barden? |
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Jun-21-09
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| Domdaniel: Hmm ... I seem to have been wrong about the Britain/England team thing -- apologies all round. I made my assumption on two main grounds: British teams play as a unit relatively rarely, and the Crown-Kotov game is given as being from an ENG-USSR match in several sources. But it certainly now looks as though they're wrong, and <ray keene> is quite right to compliment the degree of erudition shown by <roberts partner>. Indeed, he shows more than a detailed knowledge of British chess in the 1940s: A knowledge of British cricket and weather is also apparent. I have trouble remembering the 1960s & 1970s, despite actually living through them: such knowledge of the 1940s, 20-30 years earlier, is impressive. That said, I think the modified section of the biog regarding Crown's illness and death is now more apt. Thanks, <chessgames>. |
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Jun-21-09
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| Benzol: They say if you remember about the 60's you didn't live through them. :) |
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Sep-18-09
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| Benzol: Over the 4th, 5th and 6th of October 1947 in a wireless match Great Britain defeated Australia over ten boards 7 points to 3. Great Britain Australia
1.C H O'D Alexander 0 L Steiner 1
2.H Golombek = C J S Purdy =
3.R J Broadbent 1 G Koshnitsky 0
4.G T Crown 1 M Gellis 0
5.W Winter = M E Goldstein =
6.P S Milner-Barry 1 F A Crowl 0
7.W A Fairhurst 1* M Green 0*
8.Dr J M Aitken 1 B Y Mills 0
9.G Abrahams = H Klass =
10.R H Newman = G Karoly =
*The Fairhurst - Green game was adjudicated by Znosko-Borovsky The ( White ) Gellis - Crown ( Black ) game reached the following position with White to play his 37th move. -
 click for larger viewPlay proceeded
37.Re3 Rd3
38.Qa7 Rd2+
39.Kh1 Qc7
40.Kg1 g5
41.b3 gxf4
42.R3e1 f3
43.Rf2 Rd3
44.Rc1 e3
45.Rxf3 Rd1+
46.Rf1 Rxf1+
And Gellis resigned 0-1.
What, however, would have happened if White had played 37.f5? |
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Sep-19-09
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| vonKrolock: <Benzol> Maybe Gellis was concerned, in the case of 37.f5, about 37... d2+ - looks at least very sharp... ut after the actual 37. e3 d3?, the simple takes, takes, check and take 'd3' looks safe for white. <38. a7> gives Crown a new chance for a complex struggle, with a better place for the black in 'c7'. After <40...g5>! the position becomes periclitating, and <41.b3> was certainly not an move for the difficult defense .... Good fighting game - complete score <not> available ?! |
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Sep-19-09
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| Benzol: <vonKrolock> < Good fighting game - complete score <not> available ?!> Unfortunately no. However, I have some of the other games from this match which I'll upload as soon as I'm able. The analysis that C J S Purdy gives is the following: 37.f5 Rd2+ 38.Rf2 e3 39.Rxd2 exd2 40.Qd4+ Kg8 41.Qxd2 Qe4 42.Re3 and White should win. Or 37.f5 gxf5 38.Rfg1 Qe4 ( checking with 38...Rd2+ is followed by 39.R1g2 Rxg2+ 40.Kxg2 ) 39.Qf6+. Or 37.f5 Rd6 38.f6.
I was just wondering if Black could improve somewhere? |
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