|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·
Later Kibitzing > |
| Oct-01-04 |
| dryden: a great attacking player, sadly more known for silly gossip than for his inspiring chess |
 |
| Oct-01-04 |
| RisingChamp: Yes to be fair Matulovic was also a superb attacking player and some of his games are absolute beauties.he was also an exponent occasionally of one of my favorite openings the Morra gambit. |
|
| Oct-01-04 |
| WMD: According to The Even More Complete Chess Addict:
Milan Matulovic, star of Chapter IV, got nine months' porridge after a car crash in which a woman was killed. 'The sentence was too long,' complained the errant grandmaster, 'she was only a Bosnian.' Perhaps he should have shouted 'J'adoube' first. Perhaps <dryden> could tell us which part of the above is true, and which is silly gossip. |
|
Oct-05-04
 |
| Honza Cervenka: <WMD> True is that Matulovic had a car accident in which a woman died and that he was sentenced to nine months in jail. The rest looks like a silly gossip or rather a silly piece of anti-Serb war propaganda. If I am not wrong, the car accident occurred in early 1960s and I never heard of alleged Matulovic's comment of his sentence before 1990s succession wars in former Yugoslavia broke out. And of course, such a statement in Tito's era would be almost suicidal. I am afraid that Fox and James simply swallowed a fabricated story. |
|
| Oct-15-04 |
| dryden: Well, I tried to divert the discussion from this dreadful kind of anedoctal character-manhandling, back to Matulovic's superb chess. Maybe I was too optimistic. Frankly I'm sick and tired of the Bilek accident, the Taimanov accident and so on. I know Matulovic has written two books: How to play the Spanish with White and Spanish Gambit. Maybe someone has read them and wants to comment. Back to chess! |
|
| May-29-05 |
| get Reti: Matulovic, Velimirovic, Ljubojevic.....anyone with vic in their last name attacks a lot. |
|
| May-29-05 |
| Hidden Skillz: <honza> there was hate even before the 50's.. the killing of arch duke ferdinand wasnt a random incident.. they(serbs) hated pretty much everybody except each other.. tito was a good man.. they didnt even like him cos he was a croat runnin yugoslavia.. |
|
May-29-05
 |
| TheAlchemist: <Hidden Skillz> I am warning you against this kind of generalizing. Indeed, the Serbs are a very proud nation and very nationalistic, much like Croatia. I believe the reason for this is that both countries haven't been independent for many centuries, which of course causes frustration and at the same time fear. This fear is probably what causes the nationalism - the woman Matulovic hit was probably a Muslim, and the Serbs hate them because they were subjugated by the Turks in the 15th or 16th century, I don't know exactly. The hatred between Croatia and Serbia is I think due to the fact, that they were the two biggest nations in the former Yugoslavia and they constantly dueled for the supremacy. Franz Ferdinand was killed in Sarajevo by Gavrilo Princip, a member of the resistance organization called "Young Bosnia". I don't know where he was from, though. Tito was an immense figure, an almost god, who has been idolized for almost 40 years by the Yugoslav people. It was his presence alone that held the country together (you can see, that after his death the country fell apart in just about 10 years). I don't think there were many people who hated him, often today I hear people nostalgically calling upon the "old system" (i.e. socialism), as they're supposed to have lived better. I know how it's here in Slovenia, where Tito still represents the ideals of socialism and the "good old days". There is a rather comical situation on a hill near Nova Gorica, where after the independence, a sign "Our Tito" was made out of rocks and it's being constantly changed and restored, which just shows, that it's not a thing of the past just yet. Oh, and by the way, if it sounds strange or anything, it's 3.30 am here, so please forgive me :-) |
|
May-29-05
 |
| Ron: <The Alchemist> Well, Tito and the Partisans did fight the good fight in the Second World War. |
|
| May-30-05 |
| Hidden Skillz: <alchemist>i dont wanna sound offensive but thats a fact.. if u dont believe it try surviving the war in sarajevo during the early 90's.. well i was lucky to escape in the first months of the war.. but its funny tho how ppl can talk down on hitlers regime etc.. when the war in bosnia, croatia n kosovo was very similar of that what the nazis did.. perhaps some actions were even worse than those of the nazis.. its a shame they had peaple in history doin this stuff.. princip was a serb radical in the organization called "black hand and young bosnia" they were looked upon like terrorists.. sorry thats enough.. if u wanna check the history feel free.. but it wasnt pretty.. |
|
| May-30-05 |
| Hidden Skillz: i feel bad tho that this stuff is being written on a chess site.. so i will stop.. |
|
May-30-05
|
| TheAlchemist: <Hidden Skillz> Well, sorry. I wasn't trying to excuse their behavior, just explain it. I condemn it as much as you do. |
|
May-30-05
|
| Honza Cervenka: <the killing of arch duke ferdinand wasnt a random incident> Yes, it wasn't. It was a consequence of Austria's occupation (1878) and anexation (1908) of Bosnia and Herzegovina. But Young Bosnia (it had nothing to do with the Black Hand, whatever Austro-Hungarian propaganda in the past and Croatian or Bosnian Muslim propaganda today are suggesting) was not an exclusive Serb organisation. Or Muhamed Mehmedbasic was a Serb? And Serbs were not the only people who resisted the occupation. For example, remember Hadzi Loja's uprising. |
|
| May-30-05 |
| Hidden Skillz: ur right honza.. it wasnt exclusive but it was a big majority in their favor.. its not hard to see tho what the plan was (big serbia).. 80 yrs later milosevic trid the same.. but i myself think if the aus-hung empire was untouched everybody would have had a good future in yugoslavia.. |
|
| Sep-18-05 |
| bomb the bishop: weird, Matulovic employs the same opening repertoir which I use.. I have to start analyzing more of his games.. |
|
| Jan-18-06 |
| BIDMONFA: Milan Matulovic MATULOVIC, Milan
http://bidmonfa.com/matulovic_milan...
_ |
|
Jun-13-06
 |
| OhioChessFan: I'm surprised such a relatively minor player has such a large number of games on the site. Is there any particular reason why? |
|
| Jun-14-06 |
| MrSifter: He is not a minor player in any fashion; he represented the world in the great 1970 USSR-World match facing Mikhail Botvinnik. |
|
Jun-15-06
 |
| brankat: His career has spanned more than 50 years, so there is a large number of games in the database. Participated in Interzonals 1967, '70, '73. In '67 came very close to qualifying for the Candidates tournament. |
|
| May-08-07 |
| dark dario: Also there were situations in tourmantes where Matulovic adoujerd games with queen less than his opponnent. Very sad for player of this strenght. |
|
Jun-10-07
 |
| Caissanist: <I'm surprised such a relatively minor player has such a large number of games on the site. Is there any particular reason why?> When you look at ChessGames.com Statistics Page for players with the most games in the database, a disproportionate number are from the former Czechoslovakia and the former Yugoslavia. What this probably means is that we have at least one Czechoslovakian (perhaps Honza) and at least one Yugoslav (Alchemist?) who was willing and able to do the hard work to get the correct scores of those games compiled and uploaded. I would hope that they got some kind of reward--a free premium membership or something--because they've helped make this a much better site. |
|
Aug-16-07
|
| brankat: There is another reason for a "disproportionately" large number of games by many players from Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia. Aside from USSR (Russia) Chess has been more popular in the 2 countries than anywhere else. Which meant, especially in case of Yugoslavia, a large number of tournaments. I remember that during the '60s and '70 there were tourneys going on year round, often a few taking place at the same time in different cities. |
|
| Sep-26-08 |
| johnfagg: I feel that I've stumbled into the political forum! Tito was a splendid "strong man" - when Stalin sent yet another assassin to him he sent him back and told Stalin to stop doing it - otherwise there would be one for him... Stalin took the hint. Tito's leadership in the war was exemplary - he always took care of the partisan wounded...What do we do nowadays...? Gligoric also comes into the tales... In a recent book a Sarojevoian taxi driver was asked about a memorial to Princeps. "Princeps..." he grumbled. "If it wasn't for him we'd still be Austrians!" Matulovic was a very competent tactician. I've always enjoyed his games. |
|
Nov-08-08
|
| brankat: <johnfagg> <In a recent book a Sarojevoian taxi driver was asked about a memorial to Princeps. "Princeps..." he grumbled. "If it wasn't for him we'd still be Austrians!"> The taxi driver was obviously exaggerating. The Austro-Hungarian Empire would have fallen apart anyway, The assassination of the Archduke and the ensuing WWI just helped speed up the process. Btw, it is not "Princeps", but "Princip", Gavrilo Princip. |
|
Mar-19-09
 |
| whiteshark: "One of the participants [of Sen WC 1995] was Matulovic. In his prime, he was the symbol of all that was bad in chess. He would take back moves after making them, he was buying and selling games, and in generell used all the dirty tricks in the book. Everybody knew his nickname <J'adoubovic>..." Hans Ree in 'The human Comedy of Chess' |
|
|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 2 OF 2 ·
Later Kibitzing > |
