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| Oct-22-17 | | lentil: Not one draw in round 1!? |
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| Oct-22-17 | | azaris: No one played the Chigorin Defense either :( |
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| Oct-23-17 | | PhilFeeley: If ever there was a tournament where I didn't recognize most of the participants, this is it. I notice Sethuraman, Sjugirov and Volkov, but that's it. Are all these other GMs vacationing from their regular jobs? |
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Oct-24-17
 | | Troller: <PhilFeeley> If you do not recognize Vladislav Artemiev (or you may have missid him), I think you will in a couple of years. But in general these players are of the massive horde of strong anonymous players from the former Soviet areas. |
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| Oct-25-17 | | fisayo123: I recognize like 16 names on the condensed tournament standings (shrugs) |
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| Oct-25-17 | | sonia91: In round 4, 13 y.o Nodirbek Abdusattorov (2498) beat Sethuraman P Sethuraman (2632): http://www.chess-results.com/tnr306... |
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| Oct-26-17 | | Pawn Dillinger: With the exception of up-and-comer Artemiev these titled players aren't even in the top 100, which serves as an indicator just how strong the top 100 is, especially the 2700 club. If he were to participate, a random GM from the U.S. would be walking into a minefield of relatively unknown, talented players from eastern Europe and beyond. It's enough to humble a National Master, much less Experts and class players with dreams of chess success. |
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| Oct-26-17 | | whiteshark: Isn't it great for sub GM-level players to have such a competitive domestic tournament ? And Russia is having the most sub GM-level players: 1 Russia: Average rating of top 10 players: <2744> GMs: <240>
IMs: <533>
Total Titled: <2531> https://ratings.fide.com/topfed.phtml |
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| Oct-26-17 | | Pawn Dillinger: With the next highest group of titled players being from Germany at 1358. The United States has a distant 755 titled players. Imagine the challenge a person has who moves to Russia, decides he wants to learn and play chess and has dreams of becoming a top player. Reality hits hard. |
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Oct-26-17
 | | offramp: <Pawn Dillinger: ...If he were to participate, a random GM from the U.S. would be walking into a minefield of relatively unknown, talented players from eastern Europe and beyond. ...> Agreed. That's why I have always felt that
Leningrad/Moscow training (1939) was one of Samuel Reshevsky 's best results.
Although Sammy was Polish-born he had left at age 9 and he was the only non-Soviet in the lineup. No weak players there at all, so coming second was a real triumph. |
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Oct-27-17
| | Troller: In rd 6 Abdusattorov defeated GM Levin in what looked like a smooth win. Meanwhile Artemiev turned the tables in a miserable position and won also. Sjugirov managed to lose a piece early on against Triapishko (who?), played on for a while until finally resigning a hopeless position. 5 players share first with 5.5/6, top games today are Vladislav Artemiev - Arman Mikaelyan Alexandr Triapishko - Vadim Moiseenko Dmitry Gordievsky - Nodirbek Abdusattorov |
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| Oct-27-17 | | Pawn Dillinger: <offramp>: Great info on Reshevsky. Thanks. On a different tack, even though it's been beaten to death, a tournament like this only serves to remind me when the former Soviet Union was at its peak in 1972 with the Soviet School of Chess and with Spassky at the top and Karpov coming up and one solo American, Bobby Fischer, suddenly owned the world. His voice catching, Grandmaster Larry Evans once told me that Fischer reminded him of this weed, pushing his way through a cracked sidewalk in New York and rising up to the very top of the chess universe. And today, maybe this tournament contains some young, obscure genius who will fight his way up through the snake pits of Eastern European chess and rise to the same pinnacle that Fischer did. But for now the title belongs to some you genius from Norway. |
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| Oct-27-17 | | optimuswise: Artemiev crossed 2700 in liveratings! |
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| Oct-27-17 | | jphamlore: Let's be honest, we are in the middle of a 10+ year gap in chess talent with the one possible exception of Wei Yi, and even he is looking a bit shaky now. There's an increasingly difficult path for a player from the "wrong" country to play high enough rated players to get a rating to earn the big money in top closed events. To see what's missing, for the 2009 Wijk aan Zee, the winners of the A, B, and C groups were respectively Karjakin, Caruana, and So. Whereas for 2017, the two players with the most points in the Challengers section were two 29-year olds. In the long run, Abdusattorov has to qualify for World Cup I believe in the Asian zone with far fewer spots, not the European zone. |
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| Oct-28-17 | | PhilFeeley: <Pawn Dillinger:
Imagine the challenge a person has who moves to Russia, decides he wants to learn and play chess and has dreams of becoming a top player. Reality hits hard.>On the contrary, would such an environment be rich for the development of new young talent? Think of the training such a rich, strong talent pool would provide. |
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Oct-28-17
 | | perfidious: <offramp....That's why I have always felt that Leningrad/Moscow training (1939) was one of Samuel Reshevsky 's best results....> As it was one of Salo Flohr's, the more so after the latter's disastrous finish at AVRO, all this coming after the events which forced him from his native land and caused upheaval for so very many in that country. |
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| Oct-28-17 | | fisayo123: <jphalmore> Chatting @#$%e as usual. |
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| Oct-28-17 | | Count Wedgemore: <perfidious: As it was one of Salo Flohr's, the more so after the latter's disastrous finish at AVRO, all this coming after the events which forced him from his native land and caused upheaval for so very many in that country.> Yes. Flohr's unimpressive result in the AVRO tournament may certainly be explained by his difficult personal circumstances at the time. I have always admired Flohr's games, deeply. |
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Oct-28-17
 | | keypusher: <Pawn Dillinger: <offramp>: Great info on Reshevsky. Thanks. On a different tack, even though it's been beaten to death, a tournament like this only serves to remind me when the former Soviet Union was at its peak in 1972 with the Soviet School of Chess and with Spassky at the top and Karpov coming up and one solo American, Bobby Fischer, suddenly owned the world.
His voice catching, Grandmaster Larry Evans once told me that Fischer reminded him of this weed, pushing his way through a cracked sidewalk in New York and rising up to the very top of the chess universe. And today, maybe this tournament contains some young, obscure genius who will fight his way up through the snake pits of Eastern European chess and rise to the same pinnacle that Fischer did. But for now the title belongs to some you genius from Norway.> What a silly thing for Evans to get cracked about. In the 1950s New York was probably the second chess city in the world after Moscow. Capablanca out of Cuba, Anand out of India, or Carlsen out of Norway is more remarkable (though Carlsen had computers and the internet, which diminished the importance of where you're from). |
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| Oct-29-17 | | Pawn Dillinger: <keypusher: What a silly thing for Evans to get cracked about.> Wow. I should have told him how silly he was, especially as he was from New York himself and was entitled to feelings of his own. Too bad you weren't there to do it yourself. I disagree entirely. The Soviet Union didn't dominate chess in the days of Capablanca. And Fischer had next to no financial means, something Carlsen didn't have to worry about. By the time Anand won the title the Soviet Union was long gone. And I merely shared an anecdote. I wasn't inviting a compare and contrast. But to compare New York players in the '50s to the Soviet machine is laughable, as if it could somehow guarantee Fischer's success. Where were all the other New Yorkers playing in the Candidates or playing for the championship? |
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| Oct-29-17 | | jphamlore: Alekseenko tormented Artemiev with the Bishop pair until Artemiev cracked. K Alekseenko vs V Artemiev, 2017 There really is no young player out there other than maybe Wei Yi who can someday challenge for a spot where the money is in chess. |
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| Oct-29-17 | | Count Wedgemore: <jphamlore: There really is no young player out there other than maybe Wei Yi who can someday challenge for a spot where the money is in chess.> You must be forgetting this guy:
Nodirbek Abdusattorov |
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Oct-29-17
| | keypusher: <But to compare New York players in the '50s to the Soviet machine is laughable, as if it could somehow guarantee Fischer's success. > Work on your reading comp, Pawn. I didn't say New York guaranteed Fischer's success. The "Soviet machine" didn't guarantee any Soviet player's success either. I said 1950s New York was a great place for a budding chessplayer. |
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| Oct-29-17 | | fisayo123: Congratulations to Nodirbek Abdusattorov who today becomes the 2nd youngest GM in history after gaining his 3rd and final GM norm in this tournament. He overtook the likes of Carlsen and Wei Yi in that list. |
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| Oct-29-17 | | SometimesGood: <Pawn Dillinger: Imagine the challenge a person has who moves to Russia, decides he wants to learn and play chess and has dreams of becoming a top player. Reality hits hard.> That what Anish Giri did and successfully I should admit. Even at this tournament basically alone sufficiently strong payer from a democratic country has won the tournament among all "the massive horde of strong anonymous players from the former Soviet areas." Food for thought. |
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