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The 15th Gibraltar Masters was held in Caleta Hotel, La Caleta, Gibraltar from 24 January to 2 February 2017, as part of the Tradewise Gibraltar Chess Festival. The 10-round, 255-player open Swiss saw Top 10 stars Nakamura, Caruana and Vachier-Lagrave compete for a GBP 23.000 first prize, while the women's top prize of GBP 15.000 attracted Women's World Champion Yifan Hou and many of the world's best female players. The players received 100 minutes for the first 40 moves followed by 50 more minutes for the next 20 moves, then 15 more minutes until the end of the game, with 30 seconds added per move from move 1. A tie for first place to be settled in a playoff. The festival also featured four amateur tournaments. Tournament director: Stuart C Conquest. Chief arbiter: Laurent Freyd. Number of games played: 1214 + 6 = 1220. Hikaru Nakamura won a third successive Gibraltar victory, his fourth in total, after overcoming Yu Yangyi and Guijarro in the Gibraltar Masters (Tiebreaks) (2017) on 2 February. Official site: https://web.archive.org/web/2017020...
Chess-Results: http://www.chess-results.com/tnr257...
Chess.com: https://www.chess.com/news/view/nak...
ChessBase: https://en.chessbase.com/post/gibra...
BritBase: https://www.saund.co.uk/britbase/pg...
chess24: https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-t...
TWIC: https://theweekinchess.com/chessnew...
FIDE: https://ratings.fide.com/tournament... Previous: Gibraltar Masters (2016). Next: Gibraltar Masters (2018)
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Feb-14-17
 | | Sally Simpson: Still no news of who won what from anywhere which is not surprising. Obviously they do not want the prize list scrutinised else questions will be asked and more tales of ignored requests will surface. They should give Gibraltar back to the Spanish and hold the event on safe and solid Brit Exit soil. I read the 10 facts about Gibraltar and the bit about Nelson. That brought back bad memories. A few years back I bought a mini stature of Nelson on E-Bay. It had an arm missing and I did not get a refund. Huh! |
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| Feb-15-17 | | Betterthan99: < Absentee: <SometimesGood: ... Why can’t we have a similar system for women?>
Because nobody's going to pay for it.
"Women's rights" got squat to do with it.>Thanks for the most rational, intelligent, posts on this site. Is Sally Simpson your wife? to be so ignorant..... |
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Feb-16-17
| | Sally Simpson: Hi Riverbeast,
Alan Tate won a grading prize and Nigel Short won the Best Game prize, though he says he could not remember against who - this may be a wee joke, it must be Short vs Caruana, 2017 and I was expected to know that. So little by little we are putting together a prize winners list. The Official site will soon be posting a link to this thread for curious surfers wanting to know who won what. |
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| Feb-16-17 | | Riverbeast: <Nigel Short won the Best Game prize> That in itself, is a joke...No way the Short-Caruana game was anywhere near the quality of Hou's win against Ider Was her game snubbed because of her protest?....I believe the organizers of this tournament are completely full of shyte |
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| Feb-16-17 | | Absentee: <Riverbeast: Was her game snubbed because of her protest?....I believe the organizers of this tournament are completely full of shyte> Should we dig up your previous posts? Eh? |
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| Feb-16-17 | | Shams: <Riverbeast> <Was her game snubbed because of her protest?> Quite possibly, but wasn't she just lost in that game? Good to see you around by the way. Hope things are well. |
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| Feb-16-17 | | Riverbeast: <Should we dig up your previous posts? Eh?> Have I contradicted myself in any way?
If so feel free to dig up some previous posts, I don't mind |
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Feb-16-17
| | Sally Simpson: Hello Again,
As I mentioned on another thread. Another source says the Best Games Prize went to: Topalov vs B D Deac, 2017 I wish they would just publish who won what. |
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| Feb-16-17 | | Riverbeast: <wasn't she just lost in that game? > Maybe at one point, according to the engines...but a lot of great wins can be picked apart by the engines...and the engines can probably almost always find a point in the greatest chess games, where the winner was objectively worse or losing I can anticipate the organizers' arguments for giving it to Short-Caruana (if in fact they did) - even though I don't agree with them I'm sure they would say that a Best Game prize is not a Brilliancy prize...and since Best Games (like beauty and brilliancies) are subjective and in the eye of the beholder, I'm sure some would say that Short's game was a 'cleaner', more steady win against a much stronger opponent...Hence it was a 'Better Game' But it's still hard (for me) to believe some politics didn't come into that decision....Hou's game was not only the best I had seen in this tournament, but in many tournaments...It was creative, brilliant, surprisingly strong and sound...and seemingly not prep, completely devised at the board If the organizers did want to punish Hou for her protest, they could have done it with a little more humor...Perhaps create a 'Worst Game' prize and give it to Hou for her last round game ;-) |
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Feb-16-17
| | Sally Simpson: Hi Riverbeast,
Maybe the best game prize came out of a machine. it is all a bit of shambles. Nobody seems to know who won anything apart from the male and female winners. I'm guessing that when we finally do get our hands on the prize winners and add up how much was paid out and compare it the total prize money advertised there will be £10,000 difference and the arbiters have ran off with it. |
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Feb-16-17
| | Sally Simpson: There is a picture of Topalov with a blue jug. It does appear to have best written on it. https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnc... Looks like we got that one sorted. |
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Feb-16-17
| | Sally Simpson: Talking of pictures...
http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic... ...the tossing of the coin for the play-off.
They rigged that as well. |
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| Feb-17-17 | | Riverbeast: <the tossing of the coin for the play-off> Funny caption
The old two headed coin...It also came out of a machine ;-) |
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| Feb-17-17 | | Absentee: <Riverbeast: <Should we dig up your previous posts? Eh?> Have I contradicted myself in any way?> Yes and no. You're remarkably consistent in being wrong, even when it implies contradicting yourself, moving the goalposts and so on. |
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| Feb-17-17 | | Riverbeast: <Absentee>
Are you talking to me? The same guy who wrote on Hou's page <Trump's presidency is the best thing that's happened in international politics in years.> ? If you want to pick a fight with me and get into it Trumpy, we'll get into it....First show me where I'm wrong, and show me these "old posts" you're threatening to dig up Your attacks against me are vague and meaningless until you come up with the goods |
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| Feb-17-17 | | Clemens Scheitz: <Absentee>,
Did you really write "Trump's presidency is the best thing that's happened in international politics in years" ?. If so, shame on you, unless your idea of "the best thing" is for the rest of the civilized world to see how culturally bankrupt half of the Americans are. Trump's "simplistic" solutions are nothing but red meat for the ignorant masses, but you are not one of those, are you ? |
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| Feb-17-17 | | Riverbeast: <the rest of the civilized world to see how culturally bankrupt half of the Americans are.> Less than half...much less
<Trump's "simplistic" solutions are nothing but red meat for the ignorant masses, but you are not one of those, are you ?> Well he seems to be one of the belligerent ones, since he's picking a fight with me for no apparent reason....And believe me, this is a fight I'm looking forward to and will happily embrace Still awaiting your evidence for your previous accusations <Absentee>...Or barring that, an apology for your unsolicited insults...I won't hold my breath on that last one though |
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| Feb-17-17 | | Shams: <Absentee> did write that comment. Nobody asked him about it. At the time I guessed he was coming from the left when he said that and was contemplating some sort of trotskyite galvanization of the global non-elites as a response to Trump. |
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Feb-17-17
 | | beatgiant: <all>
There is a page Kenneth S Rogoff where feuding over politics is tolerated. |
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Feb-17-17
 | | saffuna: <There is a page Kenneth S Rogoff where feuding over politics is tolerated.>
That statement is false. That statement is a lie. That statement is a calumny. Feuding over politics is NOT tolerated on the Rogoff page. It is actively encouraged. |
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Feb-17-17
| | Sally Simpson: Somebody must have liked Donald Trump because he was voted in.......apparently by the silent majority. Hmmmmm.....
How to swing this back to chess without being banished to the Rogoff thread and that band of raving lunatics. Trump was born on the 14th June and so was Sir George Alan Thomas Sir George passed away on the 23rd of July 1972 the very same day Bobby Fischer played 1.c4 v Spassky in game 6 of the 1972 World Championship. And you thought only Spassky was surprised. The shock was too much for Sir George. |
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| Feb-18-17 | | Riverbeast: <Somebody must have liked Donald Trump because he was voted in.......apparently by the silent majority> Yeah that one also came out of a machine ;-) |
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| Feb-18-17 | | Absentee: <Riverbeast: Still awaiting your evidence for your previous accusations <Absentee>...Or barring that, an apology for your unsolicited insults...> If you insist.
This is what you posted: Tradewise Gibraltar (2017) <Riverbeast: It's amazing to me how certain rigging in chess is accepted and commonplace, and nobody complains...Rigged pairings, rigged formats...
If the organizers had not affronted the game, Hou Yifan, and the tournament in general by rigging the pairings in the first place, such an extreme protest would not have occurred....It wasn't just unfair to Hou...As she said in her interview (in which she very graciously apologized to the fans) it was unfair to all the female players> It must have been too much of an effort to inform yourself before throwing silly accusations around.
The pairings weren't rigged, of course, as has been shown. They weren't random and any manipulation would have been immediately evident. So... it looks like you really were wrong. But simply being wrong apparently wasn't enough, because you had to compound it with this bit of nonsense: D Fridman vs A Zatonskih, 2017 (kibitz #1) <Riverbeast: I agree with Jovana Houska in her comments to this game...This was another ridiculous pairing, and it puts Fridman in a very uncomfortable position...If he plays with integrity and draws or beats his wife, he costs her (and their family) a sizable amount of moneySuch a pairing encourages game fixing....So if this pairing wasn't manipulated beforehand, it should have been tweaked and manipulated after it came out of the computer, to get a different result...And a different result than Hou being paired against all these women, against all odds Mr. Callaghan patronizingly lectures Hou on her "responsibilities as world champion" and says "she let herself down"...The responsibilities of world champion does not include complying with unfair, illogical, and possibly rigged pairings The responsibilities of the TD is to ensure the tournament is fair to all players, and remove any possibility or appearance of cheating...In that sense I would say he is the one who failed to meet his responsibilities And I would say he let himself - and the tournament - down> The pairings were manipulated? OUTRAGEOUS! Wait, they weren't? OUTRAGEOUS! Logical wobbliness aside, it should be obvious that you can't change the pairings to accomodate the personal demands of a player. First because it would be unfair to all other players, second because if you did you'd have to do the same for everybody and that would be impossible in practice. But time marches on, two weeks pass and Riverbeast has all the time he needs to get the full picture. The result is this: <Riverbeast: I believe the organizers of this tournament are completely full of shyte> Deliciously ironic.
I'll skip the mildly puzzling questions of what my "unsolicited insults" were and what Trump's got to with anything here. |
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| Feb-18-17 | | Riverbeast: <Absentee>
No inconsistencies there...I believed the pairings were rigged, and still have not seen proof they weren't...One person who did manual pairings said most of Hou's pairings were correct, but one round was not. If the pairings were switched just once to pair Hou against a woman, that is a rigged pairing <The pairings were manipulated? OUTRAGEOUS! Wait, they weren't? OUTRAGEOUS!> I stand by that, and I see no logical wobbliness there. I was conceding the possibility the organizers didn't rig the pairings (though if I had to bet, I would have bet they were rigged...That is expressed by my first post)... I don't understand why this is so difficult to understand...The Fridman-Zatonskih pairing should not have been allowed to stand, with so much money at stake. THAT pairing was unfair to all the players (particularly the women competing with Zatonskih for the 10,000 pound woman prize). That pairing not only encourages game fixing, but even if Fridman loses the game legitimately it carries the air of fixing...It casts a pall on the integrity and objectivity of the tournament Pairings are changed or re-done all the time and there's nothing wrong with that, as long as they are done in the spirit of fairness. That's why I said if they were not manipulated before, they should have been manipulated after...To get a different result And I believe the Hou pairings should have been re-done if all seven women 'Came out of a machine'...How many of these pairings in a field this size, even in the later and last rounds, are 'forced'? <Riverbeast: I believe the organizers of this tournament are completely full of shyte> I stand by that as well...The ridiculous pairings, the prize list not revealed, the Best Game Prize going to an inferior game (yes, I believe the Topalov game was not nearly as deep as Hou's win against Ider)....the patronizing way Callaghan addressed Hou when her legitimate concerns were ignored by the arbiters and she felt forced to draw attention to the pairings in this manner (which incidentally cost her a fair amount of money...as did losing the Best Game prize) <I'll skip the mildly puzzling questions of what my "unsolicited insults" were and what Trump's got to with anything here.> Just "digging up old posts" |
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| Feb-18-17 | | fisayo123: Well she's been granted an undeserved spot in the Grand Prix so I'm sure she's gotten over whatever alleged rigging took place with the pairings. |
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