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The FIDE Online Steinitz Memorial featured two 10-player double round-robins on chess24 from May 15-17 to celebrate the 1st World Chess Champion Wilhelm Steinitz (1836-1900). In the Open section (this page), the prize fund was €18,000. Time control: 3 minutes per player for all moves, with a 2-second increment from move 1. No draw offers allowed before move 30. If two or more players scored the same number of points, the tie was decided by a) the results of the games between the players involved in the tie, b) total number of wins, c) Sonneborn-Berger score. A tie for 1st would be decided by an Armageddon game, where White had 5 minutes to Black's 4 but a draw counted as a win for Black. Organizers: FIDE and chess24. Chief arbiter: Nebojsa Baralic. Magnus Carlsen won with 12/18 and took home the first prize of €4,500. Elo 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10
1 Carlsen 2863 ** 0½ ½0 1½ 1½ 11 11 01 1½ ½1 12
2 Dubov 2699 1½ ** 1½ 1½ 10 ½½ 00 ½½ ½1 10 10
3 Svidler 2723 ½1 0½ ** 01 ½1 00 ½1 10 10 1½ 9½
4 Mamedyarov 2764 0½ 0½ 10 ** 1½ 11 ½1 ½0 1½ 00 9
5 Xiong 2709 0½ 01 ½0 0½ ** 10 ½1 11 0½ 1½ 9
6 Le Quang Liem 2709 00 ½½ 11 00 01 ** ½½ 1½ ½½ 1½ 9
7 Bu Xiangzhi 2705 00 11 ½0 ½0 ½0 ½½ ** 1½ ½1 01 8½
8 Korobov 2688 10 ½½ 01 ½1 00 0½ 0½ ** 10 11 8½
9 Anton 2703 0½ ½0 01 0½ 1½ ½½ ½0 01 ** 01 7½
10 Grischuk 2777 ½0 01 0½ 11 0½ 0½ 10 00 10 ** 7
Official site: https://www.fide.com/news/529
Regulations: https://www.fide.com/docs/regulatio...
Chess-Results: http://chess-results.com/tnr527421....
ChessBase: https://en.chessbase.com/post/fide-...
chess24: https://chess24.com/en/read/news/ca...
chess24: https://chess24.com/en/watch/live-t...
TWIC: https://theweekinchess.com/chessnew...Women's section: FIDE Online Steinitz Memorial (Women) (2020)
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May-17-20
 | | chancho: That head to head classical record is inaccurate according to the chessgames database. Carlsen has 5 wins to So's 1 with 12 draws.
At rapid and blitz time controls Carlsen also has an edge: search "Carlsen v so" |
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| May-17-20 | | Clemens Scheitz: I actually counted 6 wins for Magnus and 1 for Wesley in classical in that period, I wonder how the efficient <AylerKupp> arrived at those figures...perhaps dictating to his secretary through a very thick mask after two bottles of Peter Lauer Fass 8 Riesling Kabinett |
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| May-17-20 | | Pedro Fernandez: No my dear <AK>, it was in serious. I'm unable practice sarcasm with you in this type of question. If I said you're sad is because of I think you don't like this class of tournaments. Neither it has to do with the fact that Carlen won. As always, a big greeting for you. Pedro. |
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| May-17-20 | | stalkerone: <Sokrates: Live Chess Rating 17 May 2020
Top Twelve in Classical Chess
1 Carlsen 2863.0
2 Caruana 2835.0
3 Ding Liren 2791.0
4 Nepomniachtchi 2784.0
5 Vachier-Lagrave 2778.0
6 Grischuk 2777.0
7 Aronian 2773.0
8 So 2770.0
9 Radjabov 2765.0
10 Giri 2764.0
11 Mamedyarov 2764.0
12 Wang Hao 2763.0
Notably absent: Anand (15), Karjakin (17) and Nakamura (18). Firouzja (21).> Well, Firouzja is not even at 21, to be exact, only 16 which makes him an exciting and interesting guy. Will he further advance regarding his playing strength? This is a question many are eagerly waiting for an answer. There are two possible answers: YES or NO. |
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| May-18-20 | | 749770: <AylerKupp> You're right, but nevertheless the result in the magnus carlsen invitational tournament was a sweeping victory for Carlsen (despite serious competitors), and even in this tournament he simply clinched the victory. It looks like Dubov was hypnotized or something, what happened to him suddenly? In short, the tournament in which Carlsen participates has an interesting battle for second place. |
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| May-18-20 | | Sokrates: <Pedro Fernandez> As you may have noticed I began my postings on this tournament by remarking the discrepancy between the quick format and the slow, but thorough thinker Steinitz. Blitz is what it is. You can take Botvinnik's stand and regard it as a sign of spiritual decay, or you could just regard it as a fun, relaxing, entertaining practicing of our beloved game. Since I have always loved to play blitzes myself, I'd be a hypocrate to choose Botvinnik. Could Steinitz be honored better with a real classical tournament? Absolutely! This beacon in chess history deserves a "real" chess tournament, but taken the Coronar threat into consideration, this is, after all, better than nothing. No? |
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| May-18-20 | | Sokrates: <stalkerone: ... Well, Firouzja is not even at 21, to be exact, only 16 which makes him an exciting and interesting guy. Will he further advance regarding his playing strength? This is a question many are eagerly waiting for an answer. There are two possible answers: YES or NO.> My "21" in brackets was, obviously, Firouzja's placement on the list, not his age. Regarding Firouzja's career there's no contradiction to your logic. I don't hold my breath, though. In my time I have seen many young talents who entered the scene as rising stars, had a couple of successes and then fell back into the ranks of 2nd and 3rd tier players. Fortunately for them and the huge majority of top players, there can also be a reasonable professional career below the top 12. |
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| May-18-20 | | fabelhaft: <It looks like Dubov was hypnotized or something, what happened to him suddenly?> Maybe nothing special needs to happen for him not to win events like this one ahead of Carlsen? He just played over his level for a few games while for example Grischuk played far below his. |
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May-18-20
 | | Tabanus: Correct crosstable: Chess-Results and CG. Wrong crosstable: ChessBase and TWIC. No crosstable: FIDE and chess24. Isn't that so. |
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| May-18-20 | | Sokrates: Carlsen's live blitz rating has not been updated since 3 May. I wonder if his 2887.0 will increase to reach or surpass Nakamura's 2900, when this event will counted. Well noted, <fabelhaft>, agreed. |
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May-18-20
 | | MissScarlett: None of these online events are being counted. |
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May-18-20
 | | Sally Simpson: ***
FIDE could add an online rating list to the current OTB lists. The number lovers will faint in sheer ecstasy as they have new set of meaningless figures to drool over. <Olavi: They should play one minute bullet to properly honour Wilhelm Steinitz.> Or five minute games starting with this position. 
click for larger view*** |
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| May-18-20 | | 749770: <fabelhaft>If you've already mentioned Grischuk's level of play, in recent tournaments (since the candidates), he and Nfom are simply making shame (their homeland ... and their rating). |
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| May-18-20 | | Sokrates: <MissScarlett: None of these online events are being counted.> Oh! Oy! |
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May-18-20
 | | AylerKupp: <<Clemens Scheitz> I wonder how the efficient <AylerKupp> arrived at those figures> I used <So>math. That's the kind of math that always makes So look better regardless of reality. After all, anyone can be <really> efficient in their calculations if they don't have to be correct. Seriously, just another blunder while rushing. I typically use 3 chess databases; 365Chess, ChessTempo, and Opening Explorer. 365Chess only had 50 Carlsen vs. So games while ChessTempo and Opening Explorer had 75 each, so I ignored 365Chess. I also have 3 spreadsheet templates, one for each database, since the format in which they display game results is different for each one. I then copy and paste the results from the display into the appropriate spreadsheet. It's not 100% straightforward, there is some manual clean-up I have to do. One of them is what happens when I copy and paste a 1-0 result. Both spreadsheets interpret them as numbers and one of them converts it to 1/1/2000 and the other one to 36536 (the numerical representation of the date 1/1/2000). I haven't figured out a way have the 1-0 result to be properly displayed when I paste it but no big deal, I just do a Replace All of either 1/1/2000 or 36536 to '1-0 and everything is fine. Except when I forget to do it. Then, needless to say, I don't get the right results. Sorry about that. So I fixed it and now the statistics in both ChessTempo and Opening Explorer agree, so they're either both right or both wrong. These are the corrected statistics according to both databases: <All Games>:
Carlsen: +35, =33, -7; Score % = 68.7%
So: +7, =33, -35, Score % = 31.3%
<Classic Games only>: Carlsen: +6, =13, -1; Score % = 62.5%
So: +1, =13, -6, Score % = 37.5%
Well, at least I think that I got the number of draws correct. I suppose that next time I should either try something stronger or drink more than two bottles since German Kabinetts are not too high in alcohol; I'll a better excuse for my screw-ups. I should add that the games were played over the last 10 years and during that period So's Classic rating was in the range between 2754 and 2822, and his average rating was 2781. This compares with Carlsen's Classic rating which was in the range between 2822 and 2882, and his average rating was 2852. So it wasn't a case of Carlsen beating up on a young player with a relatively low rating during the early period of their games. And, based on the 71 point average Classic rating differential Carlsen's predicted scoring % was 58.9%, somewhat worse his actual scoring % of 62.5%. But this was based on only 20 games so it's accuracy would be questionable (you need a minimum of 30 games in order for the results to be statistically valid). |
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May-18-20
| | AylerKupp: <<Pedro Fernandez> If I said you're sad is because of I think you don't like this class of tournaments.> Oh, it's not that I don't like them, it's just that I don't think that they are very interesting. Too many mistakes compared to Classic game controls. But that doesn't make me sad, it makes me apathetic. |
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May-18-20
| | AylerKupp: <<Sokrates> Carlsen's live blitz rating has not been updated since 3 May.> It's not a conspiracy. No players' Classic, Rapid, or Blitz Live Ratings have been updated since 3 May. I suspect that's because the Live2700 ratings are calculated only for OTB games, not on-line games. FIDE restricts their monthly rating lists to OTB games and does not include the results of on-line games. However, FIDE Online Arena aligns on-line ratings with OTB ratings, see https://arena.myfide.net/ and https://arena.myfide.net/why-fide-o.... |
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May-18-20
| | AylerKupp: <<Sally Simpson> FIDE could add an online rating list to the current OTB lists.> They have one, and apparently have had it since Jan-2015, see the links in my response to <Sokrates> above. Don't feel bad if you didn't know, I didn't know either. And it was your post that made me wonder, so I looked it up. For once FIDE was ahead of both of us. |
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May-18-20
| | Tabanus: https://arena.myfide.net/
<FIDE Online Arena is the <exclusive> internet platform recognized by the World Chess Federation (FIDE) for online rated tournaments.> So I suppose chess24, Chess.com, etc. are not counted. Anyway, it seems their last event was in 2018, see https://arena.myfide.net/calendar/1... |
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May-18-20
| | AylerKupp: <Tabanus> Yes, I would assume that only FIDE-sanctioned on-line events would count towards a player's rating. And by the lack of events and top-name players I would guess that it was never all that popular. But it seems a shame that, given the current world-wide situation, that they have not attempted to advertise it and promote it, nor attempt to use it for games played at Classic time controls. Then again, FIDE is FIDE. |
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| May-19-20 | | Sokrates: <AylerKupp> Many thanks for the info, the explanation, and links on the registration of online games. I shall always have a strong preference for OTB chess, but somehow tournaments like the Invitational and the Steinitz should be acknowledged and not left in oblivion. FIDE should take the present world situation into account, but yes, FIDE is still FIDE. |
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| May-19-20 | | jith1207: Am I reading correctly that Carlsen has lost to So a lot of times over the years? That's awfully surprising information. <: <Annie K.: Well, Carlsen is one World Champion who certainly can't be accused of dodging his strongest contemporaries!He seems to have rounded up every player about whom it has ever been said that they should be given a chance to play him. > >
Agreed which is exceptional, but that cannot be said about classical games though. However, he has played his share of Open tournaments and World Cup, so he's not the one who would be shy of facing any opponent. < belgradegambit: I’m a patzer> You're not a patzer, I'm.
But the point is well taken. |
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| May-19-20 | | fabelhaft: <Am I reading correctly that Carlsen has lost to So a lot of times over the years?> Well the posted numbers stated that Carlsen has scored +6, =13, -1 over 20 classical games, and 35, =33, -7 including rapid/blitz. I wouldn't call that losing a lot of times really. <<Annie K.: Well, Carlsen is one World Champion who certainly can't be accused of dodging his strongest contemporaries!He seems to have rounded up every player about whom it has ever been said that they should be given a chance to play him. >
Agreed which is exceptional, but that cannot be said about classical games though> Not sure I get what can't be said about classical games. That Carlsen doesn't dodge the strongest opposition? |
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May-19-20
 | | perfidious: <Olavi: They should play one minute bullet to properly honour Wilhelm Steinitz.> A droll way to do honour to Steinitz' memory would have been to mandate some of his offbeat defences to the Evans as opening choices for all players. |
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| May-20-20 | | Sokrates: I see someone has removed the malicious post by J-A-M. Bravo!!! |
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