Yakov Estrin vs Vladimir Liberzon (1959)

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Yakov Estrin vs Vladimir Liberzon
Moscow (1959), Moscow URS
Italian Game: Hungarian Defense (C50) · 1-0

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Apr-21-15		perfidious: Stunning observation, that, the more so as one rather doubts Liberzon was then rated 2550.

Jul-17-22		fredthebear: Typical perfidy.

Jul-17-22		Messiah: <fredthebear: Typical perfidy.> Terrible boy!

Jul-17-22		perfidious: The wait for nearly intelligent commentary on this game continues: now the lap dogs <fredthebore> and <ostensibly superior being> follow each other to offer aid and comfort.

Jul-17-22		Zappa XP: Educational progress has been made throughout Africa, including Cleveland, Baltimore and South Chicago.

Jul-17-22		perfidious: 'Summers in Rangoon'....'a penchant for buggery'.... Some interesting stuff in that there bio.

Jul-18-22		fredthebear: Typical perfidy.

Jul-18-22		stone free or die: Early <Zappa XP> comment caught my eye: <You can't stop the future You can't rewind the past The only way to learn the secret ...is to press play.> Gelfand vs Anand, 2012 (kibitz #45)

Jul-18-22		fredthebear: We rewind in chess all the time. We learn by watching, following others, not pressing play. You statement was malformed then, and still malformed. It had nothing to do with Gelfand and Anand, just word trash you left behind, as usual.

Jul-18-22		stone free or die: <Fred>, again, you're out of your league. You really should abandon your career as serial stalker here on <CG>. You're just exposing your worst features for all to see. Let's consider the above, where you think you're attacking me - but you're wrong (as usual). The quote comes from <Zappa XP> <You can't stop the future You can't rewind the past The only way to learn the secret ...is to press play.> Gelfand vs Anand, 2012 (kibitz #45) I just thought it worth quoting - it's pithy and not repetitious (unlike many of your posts). I disagree with your malformed (mis-)characterization. As to what it has to do with Gelfand and Anand, well, you'd have to ask <Zappa XP>.

Jul-19-22		fredthebear: You're not clever whatsoever Z XP or die. You're perfidy's lovin' lap dog fighting his battles for him because you don't have anything else worth doing in your life. Your quote sucks. Nobody was impressed in 2012, and nobody is impressed today. You're just a fake Z troll, a fraud, a trash poster.

Jul-19-22		Muttley101: Just eating popcorn and watching people arguing over a 7 move game by two people in the mid 1900s. Anyway, typical perfidy. Just joining in.

Jul-19-22		stone free or die: It is a bit of wonder, these elite level discussions on <CG>.

Jul-19-22		Messiah: posting <typical perfidy> over and over is typical perfidy.

Jul-19-22		stone free or die: Somebody give <messiah>'s head another tap, he's stuck on replay again!

Jul-19-22		fredthebear: If Black tries 7...Nh6 to protect the f7-square, 8.BxNh6 removes the defender and Black should 8...0-0 dropping a piece for king safety instead of recapturing 8...gxBh6? 9.Qxf7+ Kd7 starts a king hunt. See resulting diagram after the capture sequence: click for larger view Black is not eager to leave his king on the same open file with his queen. Yet, there appears to be no immediate checkmate lurking. White must spend a tempo to be able to bring a rook over to the d-file.

Jul-19-22		fredthebear: In fact, there are no games in the database where Black played 7...Nh6.

Jul-20-22		stone free or die: <In fact, there are no games in the database where Black played 7...Nh6.> Yeah, so why not discuss the play after 7...g6, an obviously better try than 7...Nh6 ... ?

Jul-20-22		perfidious: <zed> re your suggestion: it was more'n a bit surprising to see a top player go in for this whole mess with 5....Nxe5, though eventually coming to grief after 7....g6: G Puiggros vs Najdorf, 1944. Rough day at the office.

Jul-21-22		stone free or die: <perf> Hadn't seen that Najdorf game before, but the very first comment seems apropos: <Apr-15-06 FICSwoodpusher: Why would anyone play this variation?> Here's another Najdorf loss, mentioned in the comments, playing the Philidor: J Grefe vs Najdorf, 1976 Got me a bit curious, here's Najdorf's C41 record on <CG>: https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... He's +4 -5 =4 His last Philidor, against Ivanovic B Ivanovic vs Najdorf, 1982 (Should have been a draw before 40.Qxb7) .

Jul-22-22		fredthebear: Oh Curious Z free or die, what are the four best known C41 games?

Jul-22-22		stone free or die: <Grasshopper> I've shown you the way, time for you to hop along on your own.

Jul-22-22		fredthebear: It was a very easy question -- for a typical tournament chess player, a student of the game. Just look at the famous games below!! After trolling ol' FTB minute-to-minute, hour-by-hour and day-to-day with needless snotty comments all week long making instant trash posts attempting to ruin the chess pages, the researcher Z could not provide an answer to the above question. It just so happens these C41s are some of the most famous games in all the history of chess, quite often quoted in beginner's books and collections of traps. Yet Curious Z could not cough up these games that any serious player would recognize instantly. Z on the spot suddenly went silent, no response. It would have taken 1-2 minutes to post a response and show up ol' FTB. Z failed big time. Fake Z troll proves once again that it does not know chess. Z is not who it pretends to be. 01) The Opera House Game w/a Q sacrifice: Morphy vs Duke Karl / Count Isouard, 1858 02) Q sacrifice for Legall's Mate: De Legal vs Saint Brie, 1750 03) Q sacrifice for Boden's Mate w/the two Bs: R Schulder vs S Boden, 1853 04) Pedestal / Gueridon Mate: Polo vs Pasqualini, 1923 05P) Philidor's Q Trap: Philidor vs NN, 1790 05L) Another version of Philidor's Q Trap: P S Leonhardt vs NN, 1912 05K) History repeats Philidor's Q Trap: Krogius vs N Aratovsky, 1945 06) Six queen offers IN A ROW! E Z Adams vs Torre, 1920 07) Morphy Stuns w/the Black pieces: Bird vs Morphy, 1858 08) The Wayward Queen: Rodzynski vs Alekhine, 1913

Jul-22-22		fredthebear: Honorable Mentions of C41: HM) Q+ and fork LPDO N: Greco vs NN, 1620 HM) Philidor's Legacy: J J Rousseau vs D Hume, 1765 HM) Napoleon is more famous than the game: Napoleon Bonaparte vs Madame De Remusat, 1804 HM) Sarfati is a swell poster. He resembles Capablanca to me: G Salmon vs I Szabo, 1858 HM) Most Immobile King: 136 turns without moving: Mackenzie vs J Mason, 1882 HM) Q sacrifice generates K walk: J H Blake vs G A Hooke, 1891 HM) We are indebted to KEG for his superb contributions: Lasker vs J Mortimer, 1900 HM) More analysis by KEG: H Wolf vs G Marco, 1902 HM) Pretty pounding of Nimzowitsch: K Behting vs Nimzowitsch, 1911 HM) Q sacrifice for a pawn mate: S Mlotkowski vs Deacon, 1913 HM) Dovetail Mate on the Diagonal: I A Horowitz vs D MacMurray, 1931 HM) Game 158 of 500 Master Games of Chess: Kashdan vs Koltanowski, 1932 HM) Best game of the 1937 Olympiad: V Castaldi vs Tartakower, 1937 HM) Take My Rooks: O Bernstein vs Tartakower, 1937 HM) A slew of mating patterns (but not so famous)! Nielsen vs Ottosen, 1941 This one is more for the readers enjoyment. HM) Maybe it's famous in Russia: Ullianov vs Zubikov, 1956 HM) Blitz game between American champions: Fischer vs Fine, 1963 HM) Game 41 Modern Chess Brilliancies by Larry Evans: Tseshkovsky vs Lutikov, 1969 HM) Brilliant combination by the World Champ: Spassky vs Kholmov, 1971 HM) Q sacrifice for fianchetto 19A Mate: B Wall vs Kubasek, 1974 HM) Let's show a Smothered Queen: De la Paz Perdomo vs A H Wohl, 2001 HM) A different kind of Scholar's Mate: Karjakin vs M A Sola Lluch, 2003 HM) tpstar: picturesque mate: V Nevednichy vs M Kristovic, 2004 HM) See Capture Sequences All the Way to the END Plus TWO more moves: J Soo Hoo vs B Bekhtur, 2004 HM) It's my post, so I'm including this game for the must-know tactics: de Firmian vs J K Pedersen, 2007 HM) featured in Leonard Barden's chess column: J Stopa vs Benjamin, 2009 HM) We had a request for a Royal Family Fork: B Savchenko vs S Yudin, 2010 HM) Unique Play. I included this for your awareness: Van Kampen vs S Plukkel, 2010 HM) The number seven game of 2013: Wang Hao vs Giri, 2013 HM) A rapid game w/video commentary: Carlsen vs Caruana, 2014 HM) The Best-Selling Chess Book of All-Time Taught This Mating Pattern Decades Ago: D Coleman vs J Shepley, 2014 HM) Vukovic Mate has P&N on 6th, R on 7th: Vachier-Lagrave vs Ivanchuk, 2017 Loud & proud Z forgot its curiosity, missed its big chance to set a PR w/TWO chess posts on the same chess page. Instead, Z deliberately avoided an easy chess question that any faithful student of the game could answer without hesitation. As demonstrated, there was a plethora of choice answers, but fake Z could not deliver. Management should permanently ban the fake Z troll and all its sock puppet accounts. Stop this nuisance once and for all.

Jul-22-22		stone free or die: Grasshopper, for your consideration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsI...

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