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| Sep-01-04 | | Helloween: <Dudley>
I disagree about the Ruy Lopez. I find it more fun than the GP, rich and plentiful with strategy and tactics. Black has many ways to equalize or even seize the initiative against the GP, in both the quiet lines and the tactical lines. One variation I do find interesting, though, is 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.c3 Nf6 5.d4 exd4 6.cxd4 Bb4+ 7.Kf1!?, the Crane variation. Alekhine tried it a few times successfully. |
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| Sep-01-04 | | Leviathan: <Helloween> I've heard it called the Cracow variation. If black plays 7. ... Nxe4? white has a dangerous attack: 8.d5! Ne7 9.Qd4 Nf6 10.Bg5 To avoid this, black must play simply 7. ... d5 (8.exd5 Nxd5 9.Qe2+ Be6 10.Bg5 Be7) |
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| Sep-01-04 | | Dudley: <Helloween> Strategic maneuvering, slow pressure, and winning endgames are not what I mean by fun, and while the Ruy has tactics, they come up a lot quicker and more often in the Max Lange attack or related openings. That's what I like in a KP opening and prefer to play QP for positional chess. As always, it's a matter of taste. |
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| Sep-02-04 | | Dudley: <Levanthian> You might want to consider adding Steinitz vs. Von Bardeleben 1895 to your Giuoco collection, this is regarded as a pretty important game. |
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| Sep-02-04 | | Leviathan: Thanks <dudley>, I remember having studied that game time ago.
You are right: that's a masterpiece for my collection. |
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| Sep-02-04 | | ruylopez900: <chessgames.com> Your diagram is missing the last move 3...Bc5. Just thought I'd let you know. <waddayaplay> No, I've heard that the above diagram (without Bc5 is the Italian. In the Italian there are four seperate openings, the Guioco Piano, Evans Gambit, Two Knights Defence and the Fried Liver and/or Guioco Pianissimo. |
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| Sep-02-04 | | BiLL RobeRTiE: To clarify, I think 3 Bc4 constitutes the Italian game, after which 3...Bc5 is Giuoco Piano and 3...Nf6 is Two Knights. |
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| Sep-02-04 | | ruylopez900: <Bill> Yes thanks. And to continue 4.b4 is the Evans Gambit which, I believe, is treated as it's own opening rather then a variation of the Guioco. |
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| Sep-02-04 | | BiLL RobeRTiE: Of course it's a variation of the Giuoco. The play is clearly much different than in, say, the 4. d3 lines, but saying that the Evans isn't a variation of the Giuoco is like saying the Sämisch isn't a variation of the King's Indian, if you know what I mean. |
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| Sep-02-04 | | acirce: Why of course? I have to agree with <ruylopez900>, I find that the Evans is most often regarded as an opening of its own. (What the "correct" answer is, I don't know.) |
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| Sep-03-04 | | ruylopez900: <BILL> Yes, it seems like it should be just another variation, but ECO and MCO both list it as it's own opening by it's own name. i.e.:
Evans Gambit (C51) and Evans Gambit (C52)
ECO codes C51 and C52 are Evans Gambit while C50 and C53 are both Guioco Piano. |
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| Sep-03-04 | | BiLL RobeRTiE: This has to be the most inane argument ever. I think I'm going to kill myself for having taken part in it. |
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| Sep-05-04 | | RisingChamp: Bill Robertie before you kill yourself just take a look at the b22 Sicilian page and give me an answer plz.I am really interested if u really have a refutation for one of my favorite openings. |
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| Sep-30-04 | | Morty: I have a question: How exactly do you pronounce Giuoco? I have heard it pronounced (Guh-Wahko?) and also (Gee-O-Co?), and I don't have a clue what it really sounds like. |
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| Oct-08-04 | | Leviathan: The (ancient) word "Giuoco" should be pronounced "Ju-oh-ko" In modern Italian the word has lost the "u": it is now spelled "Gioco" ("Joe-ko"). |
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| Oct-11-04 | | Morty: <Leviathan> Thank you. |
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| Oct-11-04 | | PinkPanther: <Morty>
I've always just pronounced it "Joe-kee-O". I'm probably wrong though. |
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| Nov-09-04 | | ballad: what's the Moeller Attack? |
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| Nov-09-04 | | Leviathan: <ballad>
Euwe vs Van Mindeno, 1927 The key move is 9.d5! |
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Nov-09-04
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| Nov-09-04 | | Leviathan: <tpstar> Sometimes I also tried 9.Ne5 10.bc3 Nxc4 11.Qd4 f5 with good results.
(Black must give the piece back: if 11. .. Ncd6 12.Qxg7 Qf6 13.Qxf6 Nxf6 14.Re1 Kd8 15.Bg5 Ne8 16.Rxe8! 1-0) |
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| Feb-14-05 | | rochade18: Would you please help me with the ECO-code? There are many games starting with 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Be7 (4.d4 d6...) which are classified as C50 though it would be more logical to put in C44 or something else. Isn't the move 3...Bc5 typical for C50-54? In this case, 3...Be7 is definitely not C50! |
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| Apr-20-05 | | drukenknight: A miniature Giuco, I think you'll enjoy this one. Four games in the data base w/ 3...f6 all white victories, chalk one up for black in this: e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 f6
4. d4 d6 (inviting a Q check)
5. dxe5 Nxe5
6. Nxe5 fxe5
7. Bxg8 Rxg8
8. Qh5+ g6
9. Qxh7 Be6
10. Bh6? (Nc3 seems essential)
10...Qh4
11. Qxc7 Qxe4+
12. Be3 Qxg2
13. Rf1 Rc8
14. Qh7 Bc4
15. Nd2 Rg7
16. Qh8 Bxf1
17. Nxf1 Rxc2
18. b3 and 0-1
pretty funny, huh? |
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| Oct-20-05 | | Averageguy: I am an aggresive tactical player, and I don't like stufying opening theory. In a few weeks I will be playing in a tournament against 1500-1800rated players and would like to know what you guys would reccomend, the Ruy Lopez or the Guico Piano? |
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| Oct-20-05 | | SEMENELIN: <Averageguy> you could use both =) |
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