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| Oct-20-05 | | Averageguy: <SEMENELIN>I mean, if I could pick one and practice with it in advance, what would you reccomend? |
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| Oct-20-05 | | e4Newman: Playing the Lopez as white, you need to know a fair bit of theory because of all the options available to black. Having said that, if you're playing black you can force your opponent into a prepared line such as the Berlin or Cozio, for example. Now the Italian game is another story as white. In fact there isn't near as much theory for both sides. A few old traps though. Good luck! |
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Oct-20-05
 | | monopole2313: <Averageguy> Lines involving an early d4 (Center Attack in the Lopez or Max Lange[or Scotch Gambit]in the Italian) would be my choice given a short prep time and the caliber of your opposition. |
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| Oct-21-05 | | Averageguy: <monopole2313>Thanks for the advice, is the center attack in the lopez 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.d4 ? |
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| Feb-24-06 | | McCool: Giuoco Piano is such a basic opening, (that's why I play it so much) and you know someone can't play chess when you use this against them and they don't defend themselves properly. |
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| Apr-23-06 | | Guiarados: I always play Giuoco Piano.But it isn't easy to play.If black defends properly, the match is equal.Example:
1.e4-e5 2.Nf3-Nc6 3.Bc4-Bc5 4.c3-Nf6 5.d4-exd4 6.cxd4-Bb4+7.Bd2-Bxd2 8.Nxd2-d5 9.exd5-Nxd5 10.O-O - O-O 11.Ne5-Nxd4 12.Nb3-Nxb3 13.Bxd5-Qf6 14.Bxf7  Rxf7 15.Qxb3-Qxe5 16.Rfe1-Be6 17.Rxe5-Bxb3 18.axb3-Rd7 19.g3-a6 20.Rc1-Rad8 |
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Aug-31-06
 | | Joshka: Acers has a book out, suggesting the Italian Gambit 1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.d4!?.....seems like white has interesting play if black captures with the pawn or Bishop. He totally disregards capturing with the knight, since after 4...Nd4 white has 5.Ne5! and black would get crushed playing 5...Ne6...but I fed Fritz the line and he plays 5...Qe7......don't see how white gets any advantage after this move. So the move Acers dismisses the most, looks the best for black. Any comments much appreciated. |
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| Aug-31-06 | | NateDawg: <Joshka> You are correct. After 1. e4 e5 2. ♘f3 ♘c6 3. ♗c4 ♗c5 4. d4!?, Black's best option is probably 4...♘xd4!. After 5. ♘xe5 ♕e7! 6. ♘xf7 ♕xe4+ 7. ♔f1 ♕xc2 8. ♘c3 ♕xd1+ 9. ♘xd1 b5 10. ♘xh8 bxc4, play is about equal, according to analysis by Fritz 9 and Crafty 19.19. |
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| Oct-23-06 | | trumbull0042: Once I played a game as Black and it went: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4, and I vomited all over the table. |
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| Oct-23-06 | | Swapmeet: The Upchuck Defense? |
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| Oct-23-06 | | melianis: <trumbull> No-o, you should've not. Giuoco pianissimo is the only opening to secure the central majority for white =>> white stands infinidesimally better. |
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| Feb-10-07 | | Bokudo: This is only my personal opinion, but Giuoco Pianissimo is not the only way to secure the center for white. The Giuoco Pianissimo with 4. d3 instead of 4. c3 only makes it a more positional play where white sooner or later will play his d-pawn to d4, opening up the center. But instead of showing different ways for white to gain the center I will refer to a great player named Greco who used this opening quite often, and his Gambit variation is quite interesting and will give the center to white and if white do not gain the majority of the center then he will at least get a strong attack that might even be able to mate, the Greco gambit follows:
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 (black has to take the pawn) exd4 6. cxd4 Bb4+ 7. Nc3 (This is the Greco Gambit and it is actually rather dangerous for black to accept this gambit and take the pawn at e4, therefore white now has the most of the center and a strong development, if Black should choose to accept the gambit, this series of moves "migth" follow): Nxe4 8. o-o (black can choose to retreat with his knight but that is also unfavorable for black so instead it is more logical to play): Nxc3 9. bxc3 Bxc3 10. Qb3, and black will either loose the right to castle or loose his bishop for two pawns. This variation is quite strong and players should at least realize that the Giuoco Piano is not as weak an opening as some say. I have personally played against +2000 rated players who have had a hard time against this somewhat simple opening. |
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| Feb-11-07 | | Haeron: I despise this opening with every fibre of my being. It's just so very slow and drawish. I've played the Evans Gambit a few times (unsuccessfully, I might add) but that was the only reason I played 3.Bc4. Now I usually just play 1.c4 because the Ruy is not my forte. I heard a quote about the Giuoco Piano once. It went something along the lines of: "It is not implausible to believe that the exact same opening can occur on all the boards in a junior tournament." Graham Burgess roundly dismisses this move, saying it gives no feeling for dynamism or complexity in chess (unless, of course, Black plays 3...Nf6). Also, Steve Davis (the very same Snooker virtuoso) says that he gave up chess because of this opening. |
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| Feb-16-07 | | Marvol: As white I will not be found dead playing this opening; as black it makes me feels nauseate because its extreme drawish tendencies. However! This is no reason for the second player to blunder his only developed piece away in disgust in this Blackburne Gambit with 3...Nd4? After 4.Nxd4 exd4 5. 0-0 white is miles ahead in development, and black's pawn at d4 is just dead meat. I'd say it's  already at move 5. Just the cheapo 4.Nxe5?! Qg5! gives black a chance for more than a round score. |
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| Feb-16-07 | | TylerD: "Graham Burgess roundly dismisses this move, saying it gives no feeling for dynamism or complexity in chess (unless, of course, Black plays 3...Nf6)." Highly entertaining quote! Thank you for that.
However, those 3...Nf6 games can often be quite sparkling in my experience. But as white, well it just feels to easy, to simple, to direct, to shallow...
This is no truth about this opening, of course, or about its possible potential - it is just how I personally feel baout it. Therefor I do not play it. |
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| Jun-06-07 | | Judah: Is 3...h6 a recognized variation, or just a bad move? |
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| Jun-16-07 | | Zurahn: Chessmaster 10th Edition lists the mainline of 3...h6 as 4. d4 exd4 5. c3 dxc3 6. Nxd3 and then branches off to either 6...Bb4/d6/Nf6 (although this line I doubt is the best). The chessgames.com database only lists 42 occurances with the most popular response being 4. 0-0. Other moves would likely be more productive, but it's not so obscure as to be completely unheard of. |
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| Aug-05-07 | | Morphyisgod: can someone please tell me how i could find a bunch of games with 3. Nd4, that would be much apprecitiated thank you |
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Aug-05-07
 | | WannaBe: <Morphyisgod> Why would anyone play 3. Nd4?????? |
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| Aug-05-07 | | ganstaman: Yes, 3. Nd4 is silly.
As for 3...Nd4, we have these: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... |
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| Oct-30-07 | | Morphyisgod: I agree, i was just curios how many white players fell for the trap by playing Nxe4?? |
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| Mar-21-08 | | 17.Bxg7: This is an attempt to test the relatively new move 5.Qc2 in the Giuoco Piano (at least in cg there are not games featuring that move). I played in several blitz games at home and in FICS as well, and I found several promising positions; of course, this doesn't change the drawish character of the opening, which requieres lots of patience from both players (unless you think in a quick opening trap, which is very unlikely in this opening), personally, I prefer this opening instead of the Ruy Lopez, because it allows more improvisation (less over-analyzed). The following game was played in FICS, black pieces were conducted by some old version of Crafty with only 16MB of RAM, called Chessrouter. I will show key positions; for sure it was an entertaining game. [Event "ICS Rated standard match"]
[Site "freechess.org"]
[Date "2008.03.21"]
[Black "ChessRouter"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "1200"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. Qc2N d6 6. b4 Bb6 7. O-O Bg4 8.Nh4 <This is one idea I had in mind by playing 5.Qc2> O-O 9. d3?!
<9.Nf5 or 9.h3 are the most natural moves here. This move represents an improvised pawn sacrifice after 9..Nxe4. Of course, 10.dxe4 Qxh4 can be played, but in that case, I considered the pawn sac was meaningless. So, I had in mind 10. Ng6 hxg6 11. dxe4, so the loss of a pawn could be compensated with a doubled pawn on black's kingside.> Nxe4 10. Ng6 
click for larger viewhxg6?! <Later on, in postmortem, I discovered that black could play the following line, that leads to a bigger -probably winning- advantage, but it is difficult for me to see it over the board 10.. Nxc3!! 11. Nxf8 Ne2+ 12. Kh1 Qh4!, so my plan of 9.d3 has a refutation.> 11. dxe4 Qf6 12. Be2 Qh4 13. Bxg4 Qxg4 14.Re1 g5 15. Nd2 a5 16. b5 Ne7 17. Nc4 <My idea by playing this move was to force a exchange of bishops, in order to avoid tactical complications with black pieces directed to white's kingside> Bc5 18. Be3 Bxe3 19. Nxe3 Qf4 20. Rad1
Rfd8
click for larger view21. Rd5!! <A positional sacrifice with lots of compensation; after 22. Nxd5 Qh4 23. Nxc7, white can protect the knight by playing 24. b6 and black rooks will be inactive for some time.> Nxd5 22. Nxd5 Qh4 23. Nxc7 Rac8 24. b6 g4 25. Qd3 a4 26. Qd5 Rb8 27. Rd1 Qh5 28. Rd3 Qh6 29. Re3 Qf6 30. c4 Qf4 |
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| Mar-22-08 | | 17.Bxg7: 31. Qd1 <This move required from me a lot of thought. Despite this, I considered it was easier to play white after the exchange sac and I just needed to be patient> Rdc8 32. Qxa4 Rd8 33. Qc2 Kh8 34. Rg3 Qg5 35. a4 Rbc8 36. h3 Qe7 37. Rxg4 Qd7? <more precise was 37. Qf6, white is better> 38. Qd2
click for larger view38..Rxc7 <The program didn't "understood" the concept of the previous exchange sac and wasn't able to generate counterplay. In practical play, a human would think in playing actively on the kingside to activate a rook or returning sooner the exchange sac, but when the program did that in move 38, it was already too late, I had a very confortable position> 39. bxc7 <It is funny I saw during the game that the rook sac 39.Rxg7 could force a draw by repetition, but of course, I felt ashamed to play that move with such an advantage> Rc8 40. c5 Rxc7 41. cxd6 Rc8 42. a5 Kg8 43. f4 <I liked that move, probably not the fastest way to win, but allowed me to simplify the position> exf4 44. e5 Rc5 45. Qd4 Rxa5 
click for larger view<A petite combination starting with 46.Rxg7! is the fastest way to win. I didn't see it during the game, but even with several slow moves from mine, the advantage was overwhelming and could be converted in a win. I must have missed an earlier forced mate, but I was sure I was going to win the game at that point.> 46. Qxf4 Ra1+ 47. Kh2 Kf8 48. Rh4 Kg8 49. Qe4 g6 50. Qc4 Rd1 51. Rd4 Rxd4 52. Qxd4 b5 53. Kg3 Qd8 54. Kf2 Qc8 55. Ke3 Qf5 56. g4 Qc8 57. d7 Qd8 58. Qd5 Qb6+ 59. Ke4 Qd8 60. e6 fxe6 61. Qxe6+ Kf8 62. h4 b4 63.g5 Qe7 64. Qxe7+ Kxe7 65. h5! <I liked it, I was sure I would win the pawn race. The ending is pretty.> b3 66. Kd3 gxh5 67. g6 b2 68. Kc2 Kxd7 69. g7 Ke6 70. g8=Q+ Kf5 71. Qd5+ and black resigned. I wonder how much theory there exists on 5.Qc2, but I think that move could be an alternative for people who play this opening (I don't think white is worse at that point); of course, following it with a good plan. After this recent success, I find entertaining to test this idea more times; of course, I don't know if a professional player would dare to do it (why not?)! |
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| Jul-02-08 | | ravel5184: Does anybody like 3 ... g6? There does not appear to be a page around here but I am currently playing it as Black in correspondence against User: ahmadov on my forum (aka The House of Chess). The game continued: 4. O-O Bg7 5. c3 Nf6 6. Re1 O-O 7. d4 d6 8. Bg5 Bg4. |
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| Aug-15-08 | | whiteshark: <1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nd4?!> Blackburne Shilling Gambit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackb... Opening Explorer
No game from Blackburne in this database.
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