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Jul-05-23
 | | MissScarlett: <The 1851 census gave Staunton's age as 40; in 1861 as 51; in 1871 as 60.> Frances, Howard's wife, was born February 18th 1805. In 1851, her age is given as 45; in 1861 as 50; in 1871 as 66. Therefore only in 1871 is the correct age given, although I suppose it was not an uncommon practice for women to trim a year or two off their age. But what about 1861? The Stauntons were visitors in the house of the Englehart sisters, Martha and Emma, in Isleworth. The reason for their visit is unknown, but it seems probable that the ladies were friends/acquaintances of Frances rather than Howard. If the census taker asked for the ages of those present, I can imagine Frances not wishing to reveal her true age (the sisters were considerably younger - 39 and 30 per the census) lopping a few years off. To which her husband chivalrously responded by adding a year to his own age. How plausible does that sound? |
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Jul-20-23
 | | MissScarlett: <The 1851 census took place on Sunday, March 30th and recorded the household as Staunton and Frances, Frances Ada (the daughter), Louisa (the wife's half-sister), as well as two female servants.> Howard Staunton (kibitz #542) <Louisa (the wife's half-sister)> I wrote this per Townsend (see below), but now I'm doubtful. Her name is given as <Louisa Nethersole>, relationship to the head of the house (Staunton) is <Sister in Law>, unmarried, aged 48 and profession/occupation is <Annuitant> (the same as 'sister' Frances). By the by, Staunton's occupation is given as <Journalist & Annuitant>. Problem is that I can't identify any such <Louisa>, whose birth date should be c.1802-03. If she was directly a sister of Frances, her surname should be Cates, not Nethersole. Besides, Frances's known siblings are George (b.1799), Emma (b. 1806), Catherine (b.1808) and half-siblings, Adolphus (b.1809) and Helen Louisa, (b.1813). William Dickenson Nethersole (Frances's first husband) had one known sister - Harriet Nethersole (1803-1844). So what did Townsend say on the matter?
<There was also a 48-year-old woman, "Louisa Nethersole", described as Staunton's sister-in-law, Almost certainly, the Nethersole part of that is wrong and she was Louisa Luson Henry, a half-sister of Frances and a life-long friend who left her a bequest in her will when she died in 1881.> Via Ancestry, I found an 1881 probate record which reads: <The Will of Louisa Luson Henry formerly of 33 but late of 31 Ledbury-road Bayswater in the County of Middlesex[.] Spinster who died 6 November 1881 at 31 Ledbury-road was proved at the Principal Registry by Frances Carpenter Staunton of 4 Westbury - terrace Westbourne Park in the said County [.] Widow one of the Executrixes.> Ledbury Road, Westbury Terrace (it no longer exists), and the Stauntons last addresses, Landsdowne and Elgin Roads, were all in close proximity, so this Louisa was probably a regular visitor to the Staunton home in later years, but was it her in 1851? Townsend seems quite definite on the half-sister relationship and as he alludes to the will itself, it's possible this document spells out the relationship, but I withhold judgement and remain sceptical. For a start, the Brompton cemetery burial register shows that <Louisa Luson Henry> of 31 Ledbury Road, buried on November 11 1881 was aged 85. This puts her date of birth as c.1796, meaning she'd be about 55, not 48, in 1851. |
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Jul-21-23
 | | MissScarlett: The Q4 1881 Civil Registration Death Index records the demise of <Louisa <Leeson> Henry>, aged 85 in the Kensington district. A <BNA> search for <Luson Henry> turns up an 1825 list of deacon appointments of Cambridge University students including: <Henry Charles Luson Henry, B.A., Jesus College, Cambridge, by Let. Dim. from the Bishop of Sarum.> Let. Dim.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimis... <Henry Charles Luson Henry> in the <Alumni Cantabrigienses> is given as <Henry Charles <Leeson> Henry>: <Adm. pens. (age 26) at Jesus, Nov. 3, 1820. S. of John. B. London. School, Islington. Matric. Michs. 1820; B.A. 1825. Ord. deacon (Bristol) Apr. 3, 1825.> Given their respective birth dates, there's a good chance that Henry Charles and Louisa are brother and sister. |
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Jul-22-23 | | edo.chess: John Townsend asked me to submit this for him, since he is not registered with chessgames.com: Frances Carpenter Staunton and Louisa Luson Henry named each other in their wills and in both cases referred to the other as "my sister". Obviously, they weren't full sisters, since George Cates was father to only one of them. However, to interpret them as half-sisters makes very good sense, for the following reason. Louisa Luson was born on 10 September 1796 and baptized at St. George's Hanover Square on 20 December 1796, a daughter of John Luson and Louisa Luson. The theory is that her mother, Louisa, later became the mother (also known to have been a Louisa) of Staunton's wife, making them half-sisters. There is no proof of this as yet, and it remains to be explained how LLH acquired the name Henry (as did her brother, the clergyman). However, that they were half-sisters seems to me extremely likely. St. George's parish also matches the birthplace in the 1851 census of the woman described as "Louisa Nethersole". The latter's age was given as 48. I believe she was actually 54, which is a significant discrepancy. All the same, the theory fits the bill well in most important respects. If "Louisa Nethersole" was not LLH, who was she? And where is LLH in the 1851 census, if not at 8 Sydney Place? |
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Jul-23-23
 | | MissScarlett: <John Townsend asked me to submit this for him, since he is not registered with chessgames.com.> Wait, what gives? It takes two minutes to register for free. Or is this meant to be a one off contribution? I will continue as if this were a conversation. <Frances Carpenter Staunton and Louisa Luson Henry named each other in their wills and in both cases referred to the other as "my sister".> What were the dates on these wills?
<Louisa Luson was born on 10 September 1796 and baptized at St. George's Hanover Square on 20 December 1796, a daughter of John Luson and Louisa Luson.> I had only searched for <Louisa Luson Henry>. It didn't take long to find <Henry Charles Luson> in the St. George's baptism register: Born December 26 1794, baptised March 27 1795. Father is John Joshua, mother Louisa. I suppose it would be curious to have baptised him <Henry Henry>. <The theory is that her mother, Louisa, later became the mother (also known to have been a Louisa) of Staunton's wife, making them half-sisters.> My attention was more focused on the Nethersole side of the family, but, of course, this is compelling. As you're presumably aware, there's already uncertainty regarding the early years of the Cates children. <Frances's known siblings are George (b.1799), Emma (b. 1806), Catherine (b.1808) and half-siblings, Adolphus (b.1809) and Helen Louisa, (b.1813).> The mother of George, Frances (b.1805), Emma and Catherine is supposed to be Louisa, who I'd assumed was the first wife of George Cates, Snr., although no marriage record is known. The mother of Adolphus and Helen Louisa is thought to be Elizabeth Goodson (c.1781 - 1863). But she married George, Snr., on May 16 1804, i.e., before the births of Frances, Emma and Catherine. < If "Louisa Nethersole" was not LLH, who was she? And where is LLH in the 1851 census, if not at 8 Sydney Place?> I prefer the first question. After all, where is LLH in the other censuses? |
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Aug-07-23
 | | gezafan: In some of his games Staunton reminds me of Petrosian. Unusual positions with positional maneuvers. |
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Sep-20-23
 | | MissScarlett: I note that <Louisa Luson Henry>, alongside <George Cates>, were witnesses to the wedding of Frances and William Henry Nethersole in August 1825. Frances had an older brother called George, but this is surely her father, as she was a minor (under 21) and required his consent to the marriage. That Louisa was present on such an auspicious occasion confirms the closeness of her relationship with Frances and suggests she was accepted within the Cates family circle (or by some members, at least) even though she was not the child of either George or Elizabeth. That said, what if George Cates was her actual father, meaning Louisa and Frances were full sisters. Cates left a will when he died in 1828, which is available online, making provisions for his children, but it's largely indecipherable to these eyes. |
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Nov-11-23 | | stone free or die: <The Manchester (Eng.) Chess Club has passed a resolution censuring Staunton for his treatment of Mr. Morphy> https://www.chessarch.com/excavatio... |
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Nov-11-23 | | stone free or die: A fuller quote of the resolution can be found here: https://www.chessarch.com/excavatio... . |
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Nov-11-23
 | | MissScarlett: Staunton's reaction: https://www.chessgames.com/f/19077.... |
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Nov-11-23 | | stone free or die: Again, to quote Walker:
<"We advise all discussion to stop, as Morphy stands too high to bandy words. He fights, as the knights of old, with swords. Excuse, there, not printing your quite unanswerable letters [ed. - images]"> https://www.chessarch.com/excavatio... |
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Jan-16-24
 | | Tabanus: Any relation to Michael Staunton? https://www.dib.ie/biography/staunt... |
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Mar-03-24
 | | gezafan: In 1964 Bobby Fischer named Howard Staunton as one of the 10 greatest players of all time. Fischer was already a world class grandmaster in 1964. He studied all the great players of the past. We should give his opinion great credence. |
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Mar-04-24 | | Petrosianic: <gezafan: <In 1964 Bobby Fischer named Howard Staunton as one of the 10 greatest players of all time. Fischer was already a world class grandmaster in 1964. He studied all the great players of the past. We should give his opinion great credence.> I wish you would. Do you know what Fischer actually said, or do you just know that Staunton's name appeared on a list for one reason or another? He didn't say that Staunton was one of the <strongest> players of all time, as you seem to be implying. |
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Mar-07-24
 | | MissScarlett: Harding's book, <British Chess Literature to 1914>, p.36, in its description of the chess column in the weekly periodical, <The Family Herald>, started by Charles Tomlinson in May 1858, quotes a letter from Staunton to Tomlinson in June 1858: <I was very glad to hear the chess of the F.H. [Family Herald] had fallen into British hands, as that preposterous custom of engaging a foreigner to edit Chess in an English newspaper makes us ridiculous wherever the game is known... Indeed the practice if not checked would shortly have given to half-dozen refugees a complete monopoly of English periodical Chess. You have no conception of the exertions these fellows have been making to get the Chess in their hands...> The source is David Levy's book, <Howard Staunton 1810-1874> p.122, (Nottingham 1974), but Harding states no citation or source is provided. Harding comments: <Staunton's xenophobic attitude was not based on fact: The majority of columns were still in the hands of Englishmen. That letter was probably counter-productive because soon afterwards Tomlinson then passed the column on to Lowenthal himself, "whom he considered more qualified to write it," according to Levy. Lowenthal's series was a more typical column, including problems and games.> Harding surmises Tomlinson's stewardship may have ended as early as June 11th 1858 - it being the last column with his initials <C.T.>; in which case, Lowenthal was in charge from then until April 28th 1860, when the column ended without notice. |
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Apr-25-24
 | | MissScarlett: <I note that <Louisa Luson Henry>, alongside <George Cates>, were witnesses to the wedding of Frances and William Henry Nethersole in August 1825.> Howard Staunton (kibitz #569) That should, of course, be William Dickenson Nethersole. How did I not notice this before? Louisa Luson Henry was also present as a witness at the wedding of Emma Cates, Frances's sister, and Francis Fladgate. in September 1826. And now I find her as <Louisa Henry> in the 1841 census living with Elizabeth Cates (nee Goodson) in Elizabeth St, Belgravia. Her age is given as 36, whereas she was actually 44. Recall that for the 1851 census, she claimed to be 48 (actually 54). < That said, what if George Cates was her actual father, meaning Louisa and Frances were full sisters.Cates left a will when he died in 1828, which is available online, making provisions for his children, but it's largely indecipherable to these eyes.> In the will, Cates leaves £500 to his 'eldest daughter, Eliza'. The thing is, that, so far, I can't find any trace of this <Eliza(beth)>, and I'm given to wondering if this bequest wasn't, in effect, a subterfuge and that <Louisa Henry> was the intended beneficiary. But why the subterfuge? |
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Jun-22-24
 | | Korora: As I understand, the Staunton chess pieces may have been the first ever celebrity endorsement of a product. |
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Jun-22-24
 | | MissScarlett: I'm strangely touched. |
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Jun-22-24
 | | Sally Simpson: This may be correct Korora. There is a Royal Warrant of Appointment started in the 1600's.
Though not given a fee they almost certainly got their goods for free so the owner could advertise they supplied Kings and Queens. But Staunton could be the first list 'C' celebrity to lend his name to a product. (perhaps Wellington and the wellington predated him. Were these boots called wellingtons before Wellington?) |
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Jun-22-24
 | | OhioChessFan: Wow, <Missy> carries a lot of weight around here. |
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Jun-22-24
 | | OhioChessFan: <Korora: As I understand, the Staunton chess pieces may have been the first ever celebrity endorsement of a product.> I suppose the Earl of Cardigan is a contender. |
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Jun-22-24
 | | Check It Out: <MissScarlett: I'm strangely touched.> TMI |
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Jun-22-24
 | | MissScarlett: I'd forgotten that the birthday of Paul Morphy coincides with the date of Staunton's death. Sorry, Paul, maybe next year. Meanwhile, John Townsend suggests that Staunton may have had a fondness for alcohol: <‘The New York Herald suggested that during the 1843 match in Paris between St Amant and Staunton the latter’s “second” was afraid of the English champion’s partiality to drink and took steps to prevent it damaging his performance. Thanks are due to Jerry Spinrad of Nashville, Tennessee for two quotations from the Herald. He urges caution in evaluating the articles, as they come from a distant source.> https://www.chesshistory.com/winter... |
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Jun-22-24
 | | Dionysius1: <MissScarlett> Don't sit so close to people then. |
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Jul-04-24
 | | MissScarlett: Reply to correspondent, <ILN>, March 30th 1850, p.219: <CHESS TYRO - It is an extremely difficult matter to induce players to adopt any other notation than the one they are accustomed to. If it were not so we should long since have seen the simple and concise notation of the Germans supersede the cumbrous periphrasis of our own.> |
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