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| Mar-11-09 | | AnalyzeThis: <Jim Bartle: AT, you're going to drive me to jump off the cliff, or to play the Damiano! > Oh, please don't play the Damiano. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy! |
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| Mar-11-09 | | AnalyzeThis: <ChicoChuck: Big claims require big evidence. > Fischer used to maintain his own website, where he essentially let it all hang out. I think he would have mentioned the little detail of this book. |
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 | | chancho: <AnalyzeThis> Exactly! Why would Fischer stay mum about something like plans to write a book about his games? He told Seirawan he wanted to write a book about exposing prearranged games by Karpov, Kasparov, etc. Fischer came clean on all his views, be it politics, whether the holacaust was real, or the state of the game, etc. That was Fischer in a nutshell. |
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| Mar-11-09 | | AnalyzeThis: Yes chancho. The guy literally photocopied his own passport and published it for the world to see. He did a ton of stuff like that. |
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| Mar-11-09 | | Petrosianic: <He told Seirawan he wanted to write a book about exposing prearranged games by Karpov, Kasparov, etc.> Not only Seirawan, he announced that intention publicly at the Sveti Stefan press conference. |
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Mar-11-09
| | chancho: Also take into account that Fischer spit on a US document in front of the media, said on a radio station he hopes the US gets wiped out on 9/11, and you have to ask yourself: why would he find it so difficult to announce he's writing a book about his games? |
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| Mar-11-09 | | Riverbeast: And we're also supposed to believe that Fischer would trust Ed Trice, whom he had never met, to help him find a publisher and market his book. I mentioned this on the Fischer page, but Dr. Frank Brady confirmed at the Fischer symposium (held at the Marshall Chess Club last weekend) that Ed Trice approached him about helping to market 'My Sixty One Memorable Games' As <hackmate> said, 'Nuff said'? |
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| Mar-12-09 | | hackmate: A court of law never ruled on the book being a hoax. There was a defamation lawsuit based on a posting to a discussion board. The lawsuit did not involve the book at all. Whatever happened to all of the "the book doesn't exist" posts? People (I forget who) said there was no way for Fischer to make this huge book in only a couple of years, especially when not in the best of health, yet supposedly 1 person, a 1300 rated chess player, did it in only a few months? How?
Many people were involved with the book. This has to be the case. Going back to Evans
http://my61memorablegames.wordpress...
there was too much going on there to be just 1 person. The person who never met Fischer, as you all claim, also somehow knew he was sick before anyone else. Contradiction. You can't have it both ways and it's strong proof your view is so distorted you can't see the obvious. 753 pages of a great chess book written by Bobby Fischer, with content probably produced a little at a time over his decades of idleness, is right here, right now. You're all letting a strange obsession lead you by the nose to a conclusion that is, by far, more ridiculous. |
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| Mar-12-09 | | blacksburg: <hackmate> hey, if this is such a great book, why don't you scan it and post it for us? after all, there's no reason not to, as there is no publisher and no copyright claim. |
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Mar-12-09
| | chancho: <hackmate: A court of law never ruled on the book being a hoax. There was a defamation lawsuit based on a posting to a discussion board. The lawsuit did not involve the book at all.> From Labate's website:
<Accused Edward Labate of being the perpetrator of the “My 61 Memorable Games’ hoax to the point of actually printing a very large quantity of said books and shipping them to Europe;(Exhibit #3A)> <hackmate: Whatever happened to all of the "the book doesn't exist" posts?> Yes, some people said the book did not exist, but Larry Evans said: if the book does surface one of these days, we can pretty much rest assured that it was NOT written or authorized by Bobby Fischer. Mig Greengard also said the same thing.
And Frank Brady confirmed that Trice approached him to market the book. Even saying that Fischer would not object to Brady being in the project, even though Brady said Fischer had a falling out with him because of Brady's book: Profile of a Prodigy.
Which brings us back to why Trice accused Labate of being Helgi and behind the book scam, if he was involved in the book project, why? |
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| Mar-12-09 | | Jim Bartle: Scanning the whole book is a lot to ask; expensive and time-consuming. How about just one game, maybe the Botvinnik game, beginning to end? |
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| Mar-12-09 | | blacksburg: here's a recent post by Bill Wall on chess.com http://www.chess.com/forum/view/gen... <Icelandic papers reported that Fischer angrily denied writing it.> mr. wall says that he will be writing a review of the book. |
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| Mar-12-09 | | Jim Bartle: Wall writes that the original cost of the book was supposed to be $24.95. That would be feasible only if it were meant to be mass-marketed and the publishers expected sales of many thousands. Otherwise printing and pre-press costs would have eaten up all profits and possibly more. There had to have been a major change concerning how the book was to be published after that price was announced. |
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| Mar-12-09 | | AnalyzeThis: <hackmate: Whatever happened to all of the "the book doesn't exist" posts? > Basically, 99 percent of the chess playing world is saying that there is a fake book out there. That's what happenned. Simple enough? |
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| Mar-13-09 | | Jim Bartle: <hackmate: Whatever happened to all of the "the book doesn't exist" posts? > The book exists, and more than one person went to a tremendous amount of effort to bring it into this world. I'd just like to know who. |
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| Mar-13-09 | | Jim Bartle: And I'd also like to know, how many books exist?
I'll bet it's not many, no more than 200. |
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| Mar-13-09 | | Petrosianic: <Whatever happened to all of the "the book doesn't exist" posts?> Maybe some people, incredible as it may seem to you, actually change their minds based on new evidence. <People (I forget who)> How convenient.
<The person who never met Fischer, as you all claim, also somehow knew he was sick before anyone else. Contradiction.> You might look up the word "contradiction" in the dictionary. To paraphrase Mandy Patinkin, it doesn't mean what you think it does. I know that Fischer is dead, even though I never met him either. Is that what you would call a "contradiction"? Or is it maybe not a logical necessity after all, to have to meet someone to gain any details about their life? For all the hubris, evasions and straw man beating, there's still no evidence that Fischer wrote the book, and plenty that he didn't. (Your own claim to certainty, despite the lack of evidence for is one of those pieces of evidence, so take joy in that). It's not enough to argue that more than one person was involved with the book. You also have to argue that at least <one> of those people was Fischer. Nothing in your post remotely suggests that's the case. |
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| Mar-13-09 | | Riverbeast: <Petrosianic> Kudos for your newly objective and logical posts...For once, we're on the same side of the argument. I know you can read this, so I would just like to say that I hope we can put our longstanding feud to bed....I'm getting tired of it and I hope you are also |
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Mar-13-09
| | chancho: <Riverbeast> Just in case <Petrosianic> has you on ignore: <Riverbeast to Petrosianic> <Kudos for your newly objective and logical posts...For once, we're on the same side of the argument.> <I know you can read this, so I would just like to say that I hope we can put our longstanding feud to bed....I'm getting tired of it and I hope you are also> |
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| Mar-13-09 | | Deus Ex Alekhina: If Tuesday Weld had married Lawrence Day, her name would have been Tuesday Day. |
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| Mar-13-09 | | Augalv: <Petrosianic>, any chance you take <Riverbeast> off ignore?. As you may be able to read in Chancho's repost, Riverbeast is saying he hopes the two of you can put your longstanding feud to bed and that he is tired of it. IMO, the two of you are very interesting kibitzers whose posts I always enjoy reading and learn a lot from. That's why I enjoyed so much your debates. As I once said on Fischer's corner, I miss them. I really would like to see the two of you debating and exchange opinions again. No need to debate "collusion" at Curacao once more. You already did, and can simply agree to disagree on that issue. To paraphrase Rivebeast, I hope the two of you can put your longstanding feud to bed soon. |
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| Mar-13-09 | | PinnedPiece: <hackmate> I saw the picture you posted of yourself. Your expression says it all. Before that I believed the fifteen or so posters who continuously call you Ed Trice. They will continue to do so. But we're not all bigoted, closed-minded fools here.
The case isn't closed at all on the book's legitimacy. History is littered with forgeries in Art and Letters, even science. Ever hear of the Piltdown man? Had many legitimate scientists believing an ape-like ancestor of man lived in....the U.K. (of all possible places!!!?!!!) perpetrated by a very ordinary individual. http://www.clarku.edu/~piltdown/map... The truth came out eventually, and now we just laugh at the believers at that time. |
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| Mar-13-09 | | Travis Bickle: <Deus Ex Alekhina: If Tuesday Weld had married Lawrence Day, her name would have been Tuesday Day.> Yes and if Mae West would have married Lawrence Day her name would have been Mae Day. |
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Mar-13-09
| | chancho: An e-mail from Joshka to Labate as posted in Labate's website: <From: ChessMelody8864@aol.com [mailto:ChessMelody8864@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:05 PM
To: labatechess@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: I did make a mistake.I thought you were trustworthy!!> <Joshka: Hey idiot, read what Trice wrote, about how you pissed off bobby, when did you tell him??.....you have been baggering me with emails for weeks on end, heck you tried to get the book yourself from trice right from the get go!!!......i stuck up for you, and you treat me like crap..go to hell...so go ahead and READ what trice wrote...then tell me how he found out about you pissing fischer off, cause i for sure didn't tell him, i told you i would not, and i didn't slime ball, look here, the book is real, although you swore it was not, now we find out, there is a video, that Bobby made and made sure it would not be released until a year after his death, when this comes out, it will prove, like Evan's said....."Fischer was up to his ear's in this".....the book was printed in Denmark, Copenhagen.....the guy who posted that craigslist auction for the book, emailed me, and gave me plenty of info, some of which I had already known, but didn't know about the video and photos they took, just in case the book auction went sour like it did.......the truth will come out........but when you post all those emails between you and trice, you really bury yourself.....in fact he even stated the printer 'sang' when he questioned him...LOL...when trice tried to snare you into the book, i posted and supported you and you thre me to the curb....bobby was pissed at BOTH you and TRICE.......trice cause he would not give back Bobby's notes, and you for some article....hey just admit it, bobby was not going to let you sell the books, okay case done. but i presume when you negotiated with trice to get the books you were not aware you were on Bobby's @#$% list, okay, we are all human.......let's just see if Miyoko has the guts to come out and admit bobby was behind the project......and eagerly awaiting the video canned away for a year after bobby's death......i befriended you Ed, and you treated me like @#$%.....> I want to see if Joshka will deny this.
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| | chancho: The above <Joshka> e-mail was due to this. From March 4th on this very page: <Ed Trice: My email address is GothicChessInfo@aol.com for anyone who has the guts to come out from behind the shadows and back up what they say on here.> <Ed Labate never paid me any money for anything.> <Bobby Fischer died hating Ed Labate for something he had written about Fischer years prior. Labate knows it, I know it. Everything else on his site is a reaction against knowing Bobby Fischer himself closed the door on Ed Labate.> <Joshka:> <Ed Trice> <I of course know it as well, Labate told me. He of course also told me he was very sorry for what he did, but that's besides the point.> |
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