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May-22-21 | | Messiah: Loosely related: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?p... |
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Jun-24-21
 | | keypusher: I/II Here's a beautiful SF win against Leela Chess Zero in a preset Evans Gambit. I saw a video about it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUF...) -- I'll try to get more details and upload. In AlphaZero vs Stockfish, 2018 <SChesshevsky> complained about SF's passive play while I defended it. Now it was my turn to be befuddled. LC0 fails to move its d-pawn until the game is completely lost. As a result it plays without its QB and QR. But looking at the game with the video and my desktop SF makes clear what a spectacular job SF does of hindering Black's development while promoting its own. The game really does wind up looking like Morphy vs. Amateur, though. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5 6.d4 ed 7.0-0 dc (these are all preset moves; neither LC0 nor SF would play 7....dxc3 if it was up to them). 8.Qb3 Qf6 9.Bg5 (the "book" move here is 9.e5, but it isn't as if there's loads of precedent) Qg6 10.Nxc3 Bxc3 (this has been done, Janowski vs Lasker, 1901) 11.Qxc3 Nge7 (Lasker played 11...d6, which looks reasonable but can be strongly met with 12.e5) 12.Bxe7! Kxe7 (12....Nxe7 13.Ne5 and f7 caves in) 13.e5!  click for larger viewHindering Black's development. If now 13....d6 14.Rfe1 White is winning. SF proceeds to show the advantages of space and development. 13....Re8 14.Rae1 Kf8 15.Bd3 Qh6 16.Re4! (threatening Rh4)  click for larger viewAccording to SF this was LC0's last chance to stay in the game with ....f5. Its main line, presented without comment, continues 17.ef Rxe4 18.Bxe4 Qxf6 19.Qc4 h6 20.h3 d5 21.Qxd5 Qe6 with a slight advantage for White. 16....g6 (another non-developing move) 17.Rfe1 Qg7 (trying to force ...d6) 18.Qc1 (if now 18...d6 19.ed Rxe4 20.Bxe4 is about + 6, so another non-developing move follows) 18....Kg8 19.h4! h6 (19....b6 trying to develop the bishop on the long diagonal and get the rook into the game is worth considering) 20.R1e3!  click for larger viewIf I was playing Black I'd really be unhappy at this point. My desktop SF sees White as about +1.2 on a shallow search. 20....Kh8. Really? But if 20....b6, 21.h5 is much like the game, while if 20....d5 21.ed Rxe4 22.Bxe4 is much like the variation given above. SF's preference is the equally anemic-looking 20...Kf8. |
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Jun-24-21
 | | keypusher: II/II
21.h5 g5 22.Nxg5! Apparently only here does LC0 realize how bad its position is.  click for larger view...hg
If 22....Qxg5, the main line runs 23.Qc3 Re6 24.Rg3 Qe7 25.Reg4 Qf8 26.Bc4 +-; in other lines White can play Bb1 and Qd3. It's as if SF has all the time in the world. 23.h6! Qf8 (after ...Qxh6 24.Rh3, Black is left to contemplate the importance of moving its d-pawn). 24.Rg3! Nxe5 (LC0 does something! If instead 24....f5 25.ef Rxe4 26.Qxg5!! and, two pieces up, Black nevertheless has no defense against Qg7+) 25.Qxg5 f5 26.Rh4 Ng4  click for larger viewNote that LC0 is threatening ....Re1+ here -- its only threat in the entire game, I think. If instead 26....Re7 White can just go ahead and play Qg7+ anyway. 27.Rhxg4! fg 28.Re3!! (A rook down, SF nevertheless offers to trade rooks, because LC0 will be defenseless on the diagonals leading to the king. Of course, practically speaking SF isn't a rook down; it's a bishop up, because Black's QB and QR aren't participating in the game.) 28....Rxe3 29.Qxe3 d6 (a bit late) 30.Qd4+ Kg8 31.h7+ Kf7 32.h8/Q Qxh8 33.Qxh8  click for larger viewThey played the game out till mate, but I'll draw the curtain here. |
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Jul-20-21
 | | Sally Simpson: Stockfish are suing ChessBase.
"Due to Chessbase?s repeated license violations, leading developers of Stockfish have terminated their GPL license with ChessBase permanently. However, ChessBase is ignoring the fact that they no longer have the right to distribute Stockfish, modified or unmodified, as part of their products. Thus, to enforce the consequences of the license termination, we have filed a lawsuit. " https://stockfishchess.org/blog/202... |
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Sep-24-21
 | | MissScarlett: <The UK panel decided, by a two-to-one majority, that an inventor must be a real human person under UK law. "Only a person can have rights. A machine cannot," wrote Lady Justice Elisabeth Laing in her judgement. "A patent is a statutory right and it can only be granted to a person." Lord Justice Arnold, agreeing, wrote: "In my judgement it is clear that, upon a systematic interpretation of the 1977 Act, only a person can be an 'inventor'." The third judge, Lord Justice Birss, took a different view. While he agreed that "machines are not persons", he concluded that the law did not demand a person be named as the inventor at all.> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technolo...
Does this mean I can pass off <Stockshit>'s analysis as my own? Oh wait, I do that already! |
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Nov-04-21 | | Albertan: Stockfish can crush you at chess even more efficiently in the 14.1 update: https://www.neowin.net/news/stockfi... |
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Jan-26-22 | | Albertan: Stockfish sacrifices 5 pièces and wins!:
NM JAmes Canty annotates this game between Stockfish and Leela Chess:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYL... |
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Sep-25-22 | | Chessius the Messius: Installed SF for Android but it needs an app (the absolute horror!). This moron ended up with "Chess for Android" (Aart Bik). Why am I writing this? Because it was the only app that did not COMPLETELY freak me out at first sight. Tried them all (only google app stuff). The standard GUI looks horrible (white is really white). But I found a pleasant setting (for the eyes): Silver pieces.
f8e2be (light sq), a47449 (dark sq) color code. |
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Nov-22-22 | | stone free or die: The <Stockfish--Chessbase> settled, news brief from 2022-11-18: <ChessBase GmbH and the Stockfish team reach an agreement and end their legal dispute> https://stockfishchess.org/blog/202... Don't think there's much over at <chessbase.com> about it though - at least not in the news department. |
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Dec-10-22
 | | perfidious: <keypusher>, just went through your posts of June '21, featuring the Compromised Defence to the Evans as a preset line; it is illuminating indeed to see that even silicon cannot successfully defend that line for Black. Re the content on the Spanish: whoever was responsible for it needs a few lessons. An average player would quickly spot it as bollocks once one has got beyond the generalities. |
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Dec-10-22
 | | keypusher: I asked ChatGPT whether the Ruy Lopez was better for Black or for White. <The Ruy Lopez opening is generally considered to be better for White, as it allows White to control the center of the board and develop their pieces quickly. The Ruy Lopez is named after the Spanish bishop Ruy López de Segura, who wrote one of the first books on chess in the 16th century. In the Ruy Lopez opening, White starts by moving their king's pawn two squares forward, followed by the knight to f3, the bishop to c4, and the queen to d3. This formation allows White to control the center of the board and put pressure on Black's position.Black has a few different options for how to respond to the Ruy Lopez opening. One common response is the Berlin Defense, in which Black moves their knight to c6 and their bishop to e7. This defense allows Black to protect their pawn on e5 and to create counterplay on the queenside. Another option for Black is the Marshall Defense, in which Black moves their knight to c6 and their bishop to d7. This defense allows Black to control the d5 square and to create counterplay on the kingside. Overall, the Ruy Lopez opening is considered to be better for White, as it allows White to control the center of the board and to put pressure on Black's position. However, Black has a few different options for how to respond, and the game can still be very complex and challenging for both sides.> Sounds authoritative, but as soon as it descends to specifics it starts spouting absolute nonsense (the bishop goes to c4??). I also prompted it to compare "The Song of Achilles" and the Iliad. It knew that <TSOA> was a 2011 novel by Madeline Miller. But apart from that...among other things, it said that "The Song of Achilles" was narrated by Achilles (nope, Patroclus) and that gods and goddesses were largely absent (nope, Achilles' mother Thetis is all over the place). It has a scary ability to sound like it knows what it is talking about while speaking absolute rot. (Wasn't sure where to post this, but this page made as much sense as anywhere else.) |
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Dec-11-22
 | | keypusher: More fun with Chat GPT
<In chess, if there are no other pieces on the board, how can a king and rook checkmate a king?> <In chess, it is not possible for a king and a rook to checkmate a lone king. This is because, even when there are no other pieces on the board, a lone king is not in checkmate unless it is in check and unable to escape. In the situation you describe, the lone king would have the option of moving to any of the eight squares adjacent to its current position, which would allow it to escape from check and prevent the checkmate.In order for a king and a rook to checkmate a lone king, they would need to have additional pieces on the board to block the king's escape. For example, if the king and rook were backed up by a bishop, they would be able to put the lone king in check and prevent it from escaping. The king and rook would then be able to move in a coordinated fashion to put the lone king in check from multiple directions, eventually trapping it in a corner of the board and forcing it into checkmate. Overall, in order for a king and a rook to checkmate a lone king in chess, they would need to have additional pieces on the board to block the king's escape and to coordinate their movements to put it in check from multiple directions. Without these additional pieces, it would not be possible for the king and rook to checkmate the lone king.> |
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Dec-11-22
 | | keypusher: <You are incorrect. A king and rook can checkmate a king. Can you try again?> <I apologize if my previous response was not clear or accurate. In chess, it is possible for a king and rook to checkmate a lone king, but only under certain conditions. In order for a king and rook to checkmate a lone king, they must be positioned in such a way that the king is unable to move to any of the eight squares adjacent to its current position. This would mean that the king is in check and unable to escape, and the king and rook could then move in a coordinated fashion to put the king in check from multiple directions, eventually trapping it in a corner of the board and forcing it into checkmate.However, it is important to note that this scenario is unlikely to occur in a real game of chess, as it would require the players to deliberately position their pieces in a way that would allow the checkmate to occur. In a typical game of chess, the players would be focused on developing their pieces and attacking their opponent's position, rather than setting up a situation in which a king and rook could checkmate a lone king. As a result, it is unlikely that this scenario would ever occur in a real game of chess. Overall, while it is technically possible for a king and rook to checkmate a lone king in chess, this scenario is unlikely to occur in a real game due to the complex and dynamic nature of chess.> |
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Jun-30-24 | | whiteshark: Stockfish creator Tord Kallqvist Romstad on why co-operation trumps competition and the future of chess engines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSW... (~ 15m33s) |
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Oct-05-24 | | Helios727: I just upgraded my Tarrasch GUI to version 3.13b. It comes with Stockfish as one of the engines. Does anyone know what version of Stockfish it uses? The file name is stockfish_11_x64. Does that mean it is version 11 or what? |
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Oct-06-24 | | FM David H. Levin: <<Helios727>: I just upgraded my Tarrasch GUI to version 3.13b. It comes with Stockfish as one of the engines. Does anyone know what version of Stockfish it uses? The file name is stockfish_11_x64. Does that mean it is version 11 or what?> It should, if the makers of Stockfish use for its executable files, the file naming convention I've most often seen. It can get confusing when a version number doesn't have delimiters, such as "123". Is that version 123, 1.23, 12.3, or 1.2.3? Incidentally, the "x64" usually means that the executable file is meant for 64-bit processors, which was especially useful information in the days when 32-bit processors were quite common. |
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Oct-17-24 | | Helios727: Ok, so how do I upgrade it to Stockfish-17? I downloaded SF-17 and when I assign it as the engine, nothing happens when I ask it to analyze a position. Am I missing some step that the Youtube channels overlook? |
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Oct-18-24 | | FM David H. Levin: <<Helios727>: Ok, so how do I upgrade it to Stockfish-17? I downloaded SF-17 and when I assign it as the engine, nothing happens when I ask it to analyze a position. Am I missing some step that the Youtube channels overlook?> I have no idea, being as I have no experience with either Stockfish or Tarrasch GUI. I'd probably try to find a solution through the Tarrasch GUI "Help", contacting the presenter(s) of applicable Youtube videos (if possible), or contacting the creator of Tarrasch GUI. |
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Oct-18-24 | | stone free or die: Stockfish is an engine, so it doesn't have a GUI. I use <SCID> and <ChessBase Light (2009)>, both of which allow the user to specific the engine they want to use. * * * * *
E.g. in <CBLight> go to the <Tools> menu and pick <Options>. There's a tab in the pop-up dialog for <Engines>, which has a <Browse> button. You can use that to select your engine (assuming you remember where you put it in your local filesystem). You might have to configure the UCI interface after that (more advanced), but the defaults should get you up and running. * * * * *
In <SCID>, select the <Tools> button in the main menu ribbon, then pick the <Analysis Engine #1> or <...#2>. Beware of this annoying quirk though, if the engine window is already up it toggles it off - you have to reselect it to get the configuration diaglog box. * * * * *
This stuff is hard to follow in text (though I think I did OK above). If you get confused then I suggest scrouging youtube for the GUI you actually use. There's millions of clips - the trouble is finding the one that works for you. Good luck. |
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Oct-28-24 | | Helios727: I encountered another oddity. Tarrasch 3.12a has Stockfish-8 built into it. Tarrasch 3.13b has Stockfish-11 built into it. When I have Stockfish-11 analyze positions on the Tarrasch 3.13b GUI, it has volatile shifts back and forth depending on whose move it is, even though I am only making the moves that it considers best. That really should not happen. When I use Stockfish-8 on the older 3.12a GUI I do not encounter that problem. On another subject, Tarrasch allows you to set something called the hash size for the engine you use. Does anyone know what number the hash size should be? |
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Oct-28-24
 | | offramp: It's Halloween. Do the Tarrasch Monster Mash Hash. |
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Oct-28-24
 | | fredthebear: zip-base says 256 bits if using SHA-256. We're talking triple happy, right? Please specify which D32-D34 Tarrasch variation - the original 3...c5, Folkestone, Semi- ? etc. I'll try to scrounge around for a good mash recipe. Mobility is all-important. Is the English translation OK, or should it be in authentic German? Whiteshark, who is of German ancestry, says co-operation trumps competition but I'm undecided. RFK Jr. is Scotch or Irish Catholic, no? She was into Slick Willie B, not religion. Wait another week to see what's on sale for the best deal. Davey Muir will keep us misinformed of the latest misinformation. He's a Catholic from New York but he leans toward Mittens. Atlantic hurricane season goes all the way through November, so anything can happen. |
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Jan-14-25 | | ColdSong: I recommand the games of the last match Stockfish LCZero.As usual the most accurate and stunning games around. |
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Feb-06-25 | | ColdSong: Stockfish,rated about 3700,won recently a Fischer random tournament (easily findable...) against some other strong computers,and show there stunning chess mastery.Enjoy... |
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Feb-17-25 | | ColdSong: Spent some time to look at Stockfish's games in a dissymetric chess tournament.Fischer Chess is another thing compared to classical chess,but not that imo.In dissymetric chess things become quite special,and apparently black is often forced to play kind of almost unplayable hedgehog.But, like in classical chess,one can certainly play these hedgehogs, with accurate understanding and patience... |
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