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Jul-14-21
 | | Stonehenge: Maybe it had something to do with me updating FIDE World Cup (2021)? It doesn't update automatically so I had to do everything by hand. The women's section does update automatically, although it requires clicking on <edit standings > but that may be normal. |
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Jul-14-21
 | | stevemcd87: I just did an update, upgrade and reboot.
You might have experienced some issues.
Hopefully it helps. |
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Jul-14-21
| | stevemcd87: <MissS> I'll need to take a deeper look into the "Null move games" and "Odd Games".
I've tried to search the database for "Null move games"(games using " -- " to represent a "null move"), and only found 19(most coming from comments, not actual "null moves").
" -- " for comment - D G Baird vs J Mason, 1889" -- " for "null move - A Mongredien vs Staunton, 1841 I remember a previous issue for games that do not use "x" to signify a capture(which there are over 700 games), we would need to manually add the "x" for each capture(I believe I could probably write a script for this when we have the time)
Without "x" to signify a capture - K Havasi vs E Steiner, 1935 |
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Jul-15-21
 | | MissScarlett: [Event "B.C.A. Handicap t"]
[Site "London ENG"]
[Date "1862.06.??"]
[Round "1.1"]
[White "W Stockil"]
[Black "Ernst Falkbeer"]
[Result "0-1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "
click for larger view"]
[Source "'The Chess Congress of 1862', p.196"]
[PlyCount "100"]
1.e4 -- 2.d4 Nc6 3.f4 e6 4.c3 d5 5.e5 Nh6 6.Bd3 Ne7 7.Nf3 Nef5 8.O-O Bd7
9.Ng5 g6 10.g4 Ne7 11.f5 exf5 12.e6 Bc6 13.gxf5 gxf5 14.Bxf5 Nexf5 15.Rxf5
Qe7 16.Qh5+ Kd8 17.Rxf8+ Qxf8 18.Qxh6 Qxh6 19.Nf7+ Ke7 20.Bxh6 Rhg8+ 21.
Kh1 Rg6 22.Nd2 Kxe6 23.Rf1 Rag8 24.Be3 Be8 25.Ne5 Rg2 26.Nd3 Kd7 27.Nf4
R2g5 28.Nf3 Rf5 29.Ne5+ Kc8 30.Rg1 Rxg1+ 31.Kxg1 c6 32.Ne6 Rf6 33.Ng7 Bg6
34.h4 Be4 35.Bg5 Rf8 36.h5 a5 37.h6 a4 38.Ne6 Rg8 39.Kf2 a3 40.bxa3 Bb1
41.Ng4 Rg6 42.Nf6 Bf5 43.Ke3 Bxe6 44.Kf4 Bg8 45.Kf5 Kc7 46.a4 Kb6 47.Nd7+
Ka5 48.Nf8 Rd6 49.Be7 Rxh6 50.Bb4+ Kxa4 0-1
Here's a game with a null move I tried unsuccessfully to upload. |
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Jul-15-21
| | Stonehenge: Please fix the Tournament Standings Editor, I'm not going to do it all by hand anymore. |
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Jul-15-21
| | stevemcd87: <Stone> Sorry, I didn't know you were doing them manually.
I'm working on it now. |
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Jul-15-21
| | MissScarlett: <I've tried to search the database for "Null move games"(games using " -- " to represent a "null move")> No, I wanted you to search for <pawn and 2> (where Black plays with the KBP and allows White two moves) odds games. Apart from the <Mongredien-Staunton> game, they'll be the ones with this FEN: 
click for larger view |
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Jul-16-21
 | | g15713: <stevemcd87>: Thank you that new FEN diagrams since the migration - now have again the brown theme. You should put this fix - stated in your bug list to let other chess users know this has been accomplished... |
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Jul-16-21
| | Stonehenge: I've uploaded today's games of FIDE World Cup (2021) but I'm not going to manually update everything. I did do the FIDE World Cup (Women) (0), that's more or less OK. But it keeps saying FIDE World Cup (Women) <(0)> instead of (2021). Nitpicking: on the homepage <women> should be <Women>. |
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Jul-17-21
| | stevemcd87: <Stone> I began creating a script the will do the "Tournament Standings" for us.
We'll have to run the script manually to keep the Events up-to-date.
So far, I only ran it for FIDE World Cup (2021) .
If you'd like me to run it on other tourneys, just let me know which one.
I'll still have to do more digging to find out why it isn't working as it should.
It may have to do with <Notes 2: This is for completed tournaments only! Never use this feature on tournaments that are currently in progress.>, located on the bottom of the edit page. I'm sure we had no choice for this one.
I'm looking into how to get it back on track.
I also still need to adjust the "Placements", I'm not too familiar with it yet.
If you know of a quick way to adjust the placements, please let me know, if not, I'll create one.
Once I get this script finished, I'll be sure to give you access to run it on the "Edit Standings" page. |
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Jul-18-21
| | Stonehenge: Perhaps standings in KO tournaments should be based on percentages e.g. 1. 4/4
2. 2/2
3. 3.5/4
That's also not perfect but better than it is now. |
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| Jul-19-21 | | Z truth 000000011: I think I'd go with rating-based sort for KO tournaments for active players then propagate down the chain of the eliminated. But that's just me. |
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Jul-19-21
| | stevemcd87: Re "Tournament Standings":
I've updated the script to do the "Placements".
Previously, Tournament Standings were sorted by points.
We've updated it to be based off of the "percentage", as requested by <Stone>.
I will make this script accessible to the <MVE>s(Editors with access to the Editor Page) first thing in the morning.
<Z truth> I don't see a way to tell if a player has been eliminated. I figured the eliminated players will work there way to the bottom of the list naturally.
Let me know if you can think of any additional logic to add to the "Tourney Standings Script", or if you notice any bugs.
You can check out FIDE World Cup (2021) and FIDE World Cup (Women) (2021) to see the new placement order from the script.
I appreciate all the help |
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Jul-19-21
| | stevemcd87: <MissS> Is that FEN supposed to be the starting FEN(located in the PGN) or the FEN after the first move?(I know it may seem like a silly question but I decided to ask)
If it's the latter, I don't see an easy way to find out. |
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Jul-19-21
| | MissScarlett: Starting FEN. |
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| Jul-20-21 | | Z4all: <<steve writes:
<Z truth> I don't see a way to tell if a player has been eliminated. I figured the eliminated players will work there way to the bottom of the list naturally.> I thought we were talking about KO tournaments, where the whole idea is to eliminate half the players for each round. Sometimes a KO tournament will allow eliminated players to determine order in a tie-break, but I was mostly thinking about how to order the non-eliminated players still in competition. |
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| Jul-20-21 | | Z4all: PS- when you see a FEN tag in the PGN, it always refers to the starting position. Though, I'd like to extend the standard to allow for its use at any point in the game, which would allow for certain exceptional games to be properly documented and made playable(*). (*) For example, some games played in the past were under rules where an illegal move becomes record if not caught in time. (Imagine a piece being moved accidentally during a game, and then being played from the wrong position until the end of game - the PGN standard as-is can't handle such a game). |
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Jul-20-21
 | | Tabanus: Points or percentages, the "standings" of KO tournaments will be 100% incomprehensible either way. Please make it simple and scrap the whole thing. I'll make it a "list of players", if I can, as always before. |
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Jul-20-21
| | stevemcd87: <Please make it simple and scrap the whole thing.>
<Tab> Below is a description of the script I created.
1) It recalculates the wins, draws, and losses for each player to match what we have in our database.
2) It calculates the average(points/gamesPlayed) of each player and adjusts the "placement".
Are both features useless?
Would these features be useful in any of the tournament types?
If you explain your process in creating the "list of players", I'm sure we can add some features to help make the process quicker and easier... or I can leave it as it is, up to you. I appreciate all the help. |
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Jul-20-21
| | Tabanus: <Steve> List of players - I just uncheck the Update Event Crosstable box. I think the features are useless. Not even the round robins can be correct unless you add tiebreak rules (which vary) to the program. |
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| Jul-20-21 | | Z4all: <Tab> having the bulk of the sweat equity, should get to decide how to make the list. I was thinking <steve> needed an algorithm for a generic script... KO tournaments are an interesting case, and I thought <steve>'s original sorting proposal could be improved (seeing as KO tournaments generally don't track points scored - but rather head to head results). I was thinking mostly about how to make a standings list for an on-going KO. As far as the generic list of players - I've always thought an alphabetical listing would be the most useful, though breaking out the top-ranked players is a consideration. (Of course, I'm not quite as categorical as <Tab> in thinking "features" (which ones?) are useless, while agreeing with sentiment about complications) |
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Jul-20-21
| | stevemcd87: I'm noticing an increase of Internal Server Errors since 1:57PM EST.
I'm working on it. |
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Jul-20-21
| | Tabanus: <Steve> I'm only an end user. My 2 cents: one top priority should be dealing with the 1) apostrophe, see e. g. "don?t" in Susan's last post in CG forum
2) the letters ?, ?, ?, ?, etc. (see? they all show as question mark) |
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| Jul-20-21 | | Z4all: I'll chime in and second <Tab>'s priority recommendation. (Though it's all basically one problem, <CG>'s mishandling of utf-8, methinks) |
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Jul-20-21
| | Tabanus: On the FIDE World Cup (2021), I'm pretty sure it has to be presented as something similar to World Cup (2019). I honestly can't see any other way. Not even Chess-Results has been able to make a KO form. It requires though that someone writes an intro.. |
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