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MATCH STANDINGS
Nutcracker Match of the Generations Match
Vladimir Fedoseev2.5/4(+2 -1 =1)[games]
Alexander Morozevich2.5/4(+2 -1 =1)[games]
Alexey Shirov2.5/4(+2 -1 =1)[games]
Daniil Dubov2/4(+1 -1 =2)[games]
Grigoriy Oparin2/4(+1 -1 =2)[games]
Vladislav Artemiev1.5/4(+0 -1 =3)[games]
Peter Leko1.5/4(+0 -1 =3)[games]
Aleksey Dreev1.5/4(+0 -1 =3)[games]

Chessgames.com Chess Event Description
Nutcracker Match of the Generations (2014)

Played in Moscow, Russia 20-25 December 2014. Pairings and results: http://chess-news.ru/en/node/17712. The "Kings" (Leko, Moro, Shirov & Dreev) won by 32½ to 31½.

 page 1 of 1; 16 games  PGN Download 
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Shirov vs Dubov 1-0442014Nutcracker Match of the GenerationsA56 Benoni Defense
2. G Oparin vs Morozevich 1-0602014Nutcracker Match of the GenerationsB48 Sicilian, Taimanov Variation
3. Dreev vs V Artemiev ½-½722014Nutcracker Match of the GenerationsD91 Grunfeld, 5.Bg5
4. V Fedoseev vs Leko 1-0922014Nutcracker Match of the GenerationsA46 Queen's Pawn Game
5. Morozevich vs V Fedoseev 1-0392014Nutcracker Match of the GenerationsE36 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
6. Leko vs Dubov  ½-½482014Nutcracker Match of the GenerationsC18 French, Winawer
7. G Oparin vs Dreev  ½-½432014Nutcracker Match of the GenerationsD47 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
8. V Artemiev vs Shirov  ½-½552014Nutcracker Match of the GenerationsA09 Reti Opening
9. Dubov vs Morozevich ½-½222014Nutcracker Match of the GenerationsC07 French, Tarrasch
10. Dreev vs V Fedoseev  ½-½402014Nutcracker Match of the GenerationsE34 Nimzo-Indian, Classical, Noa Variation
11. Shirov vs G Oparin 1-0492014Nutcracker Match of the GenerationsB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
12. V Artemiev vs Leko ½-½1012014Nutcracker Match of the GenerationsA35 English, Symmetrical
13. Morozevich vs V Artemiev 1-0502014Nutcracker Match of the GenerationsD14 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav, Exchange Variation
14. Leko vs G Oparin  ½-½442014Nutcracker Match of the GenerationsE01 Catalan, Closed
15. V Fedoseev vs Shirov 1-0402014Nutcracker Match of the GenerationsD45 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
16. Dubov vs Dreev  1-0412014Nutcracker Match of the GenerationsD43 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
 page 1 of 1; 16 games  PGN Download 
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Kibitzer's Corner
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Dec-20-14  1d410: They beat Leko and Moro and their talent is underwhelming? What an absurd claim.
Dec-20-14  1d410: Maybe they should have lost that would help.
Dec-21-14  fisayo123: <1d410> So what? I'm not making that conclusion based off of 1 game or even 10 games. I actually follow a lot of chess, so I like to think I know what I'm talking about.
Dec-21-14  ThunderFire234: <fisayo123> Frankly, I do have to agree with <1d410> because if you look at a rating chart of someone like Fedoseev, you would see that he has a steady increase in rating. Additionally, beating Leko or Moro is not an achievement to be underestimated. Maybe Fedoseev hasn't been rising so much like Artemiev, but I definetely wouldn't claim that his progress and talent is "underwhelming", unless you could do it better?
Dec-21-14  Everett: <kellmano: The hero I referred to was Morozevich. It's been a sad and steady decline over the last couple of years.>

Morozevich vs V Fedoseev, 2014

Perhaps Moro has just politely told you to be quiet.

Dec-21-14  fisayo123: <ThunderFire324> I did give Fedoseev credit for being a talented player, like a Sjugirov or Matkalov for example. I never said he was "underwhelming" as a player also, so you're attacking strawman.

In order to be one of the best in the world, you'll expect more of a greater increase in ELO points by now. Look at the young players who are currently at the top. They were all super GM's in their teenage years. I once read an interview by a very well known super GM who said if you aren't 2700+ by 20, you should forget about becoming the world champion. That might be exaggerating it a little, look at Aronian for example, but this generally tends to be the rule. Will the likes of Fedoseev, Dubov and Oparin ever challenge Carlsen, be top 10 players or candidate masters? I doubt it. That's not to put them down as individuals, but to highlight my point of Russia's lack of top talents since the 1990's generation really.

<unless you could do it better?> I never said I could and I'm not sure how this is relevant. If you don't like my opinion then simply ignore it.

Dec-22-14  AsosLight: As the trend goes you probably need to forget it if you are not 2800 by 20.
Dec-22-14  waustad: These Scheveningen format tournaments are often interesting, though it is sometimes hard to figure out who did best since players from different sides don't play the same opponents. Here's the crosstable from one of the last times Judit Polgar played as a woman: http://chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/Sing... Many games from that tournament are here, but are all labelled differently. They are however all together here: http://www.365chess.com/tournaments... Perhaps I should look into the process of setting up a tournament page for it.
Dec-22-14  whiteshark: "Just when we thought the world’s best players would be taking a break before Wijk aan Zee in the New Year, Alexander Morozevich, Peter Leko, Alexei Shirov and Aleksey Dreev are in action in Moscow. Their challenge? To teach the top four Russian juniors – Vladislav Artemiev, Vladimir Fedoseev, Daniil Dubov and Grigoriy Oparin – a lesson. <The classical and rapid chess event provides a chance for us to profile some potential stars of the future.>"

Extensive, picturesque intro-report by http://chess24.com/en/read/news/chr...

Dec-22-14
Premium Chessgames Member		  Penguincw: Shirov is playing well here. Assuming he's facing Fedoseev next, if he beats him, Shirov will be at 2699.9, which is rounded to 2700.
Dec-22-14
Premium Chessgames Member		  perfidious: Quite so, but Shirov does not regain his place on The Only List That Matters.
Dec-23-14  dumbgai: Leko is only 35, but it feels like he's been around forever, doesn't it?
Dec-23-14  ThunderFire234: <fisayo> I never said you said that Fedoseev as a player is underwhelming. I said that you claimed that his progress and talent was underwhelming.
Dec-23-14  Kanatahodets: Who qualify for "2700+ by 20 criteria"? I think among 1990+ generation it is Fabiano, Ding, Yu, Wesley, Rapport. And of course Wei Yi at 15 is 2670.
Dec-23-14  visayanbraindoctor: Who wins the tournament first prize trophy? How is the money pot divided?

With the Scheveningen set-up, in a way this is two different tournaments. Fedoseev wins one of them. Morozevich and Shirov are joint winners in the second.

Dec-23-14  Jason Frost: <Kanatahodets>

There are quite a few that were born in 1990 (Carlsen, Karjakin, MVL, Nepo, Andreikin, etc...), though not sure whether they qualify for 1990+.

Dec-24-14  ajile: Wow bummer. Only one game with a Dutch or Benoni.
Dec-24-14
Premium Chessgames Member		  JointheArmy: Leko won a really nice game with black today.
Dec-24-14  Kanatahodets: <Jason Frost: <Kanatahodets> There are quite a few that were born in 1990 (Carlsen, Karjakin, MVL, Nepo, Andreikin, etc...), though not sure whether they qualify for 1990+.> Nope, the idea was post-Carlsen era. Who can challenge him? My guess is that no-one from current 2700+. But maybe some fresh 2500-2600 like Wei Yi. Or Chinese guys - for them laws of Nature are un-written:)
Dec-24-14  Kanatahodets: I mean Yu and Ding - they are younger a bit than Magnus. OK, say Fabio or Naka may win Magnus, but then they will lose him as Tal lost to Botvinnik. OK I am provocative of course.
Dec-25-14
Premium Chessgames Member		  JointheArmy: <I mean Yu and Ding - they are younger a bit than Magnus.>

2-4 years is nothing. Especially when they get 30+.

Many consider Anand and Kramnik of the same generation and they're 6 years apart.

Dec-26-14  jphamlore: Daniil Dubov has already explained his situation of why he might not make the very top of chess. I agree with his decision. It's a wiser path:

http://chess-news.ru/en/node/8434

<Dubov: I’m attending a quite good school, I like it and so on. Sergey Yurievich is also sometimes complaining because of that, but Sergei Dolmatov said that I had to leave school and that was one of the things he couldn’t agree neither with my parents, nor with me ...

... it just appears that there are some clubs where the coaches teach children playing chess. The thing is that they mostly focus on winning the medals at the Russian or European Championships. For example, I know that in Moscow there are three leading clubs: Pioneers’ House, the club named after T. Petrosian and Perovo. I was a member of Perovo for several years and everyone knows that they focus on winning the medals. They don’t have this aim of growing super strong chess players. So, one can probably admit that at the moment there’s not any place in Russia where they are working on growing strong GMs.>

Dec-26-14  Kanatahodets: <JointheArmy: <I mean Yu and Ding - they are younger a bit than Magnus.> 2-4 years is nothing. Especially when they get 30+.

Many consider Anand and Kramnik of the same generation and they're 6 years apart.> wow, what a marvel of insight:) on a more serious note; exactly i meant that 2-4 yrs is not much and western new guys cannot challenge magnus. but for asians nature laws - exactly the one which you so deeply mentioned - may not work. may is not the same as can.

Dec-26-14  Kanatahodets: <jphamlore: Daniil Dubov - So, one can probably admit that at the moment there’s not any place in Russia where they are working on growing strong GMs.> it's true in all sports. medals, medals, medals - only this counts for coaches in Russia and before USSR. geniuses survive but many good guys not.
Dec-26-14  Kanatahodets: Kings won the match - 32.5 vs. Princes 31.5. Given Fedoseev outlier's result - 11, I can say that Kings were much better on average!
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