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|Oct-16-05|| ||kevin86: Recently,hockey has eliminated the draw-because in America-according to the media experts-we need a WIN.|
Yet,we have coaches and broadcasters saying that nobody deserved to lose in certain situations.
This game was well played-a draw is no sin here!
|Oct-16-05|| ||THE pawn: <kevin86> Yeah already we see penalty shots after an overtime. I agree with the fact that we need a win, but this is just not fair for certain teams (the penalty shots to solve the problem). Good all-around teams would lose against worse teams that have a few all-stars players. Even if your team is better in a game, he would lose the match because he doesn't have good penalty shot players. So it doesn't determine which team is stronger. In fact, each time it goes into penalty shot sequences, the same teams would always win. |
As for the game, Sultan Khan never cease to amaze me. He managed to steal a draw, not once, but twice against Max Euwe. No wonder he's one of my favorites.
|Oct-16-05|| ||Fezzik: On the tangent of dropping draws: Part of chess technique is to win these types of games. If you know that a certain endgame is drawn, your job is to avoid it if you have the advantage or force it if you don't. This game is memorable precisely because of the draw. |
I only wish that Euwe had tried a little bit longer because the Black only needs one small mistake (for example, playing Kxh6 when White can come in from behind with Kg8!) for White to win.
|Oct-17-05|| ||khense: <Fezzik> No way! Black will remain a happy camper on H8 and any adjacent square he's allowed to move to.|
|Jun-15-06|| ||Tariqov: if Black moved his h5 pawn to g6 and white takes away his h5 pawn in the ending white wins,amazing isn't it??|
|Jul-27-09|| ||WhiteRook48: doesn't happen and no it's not amazing, it's ending theory|
|Mar-11-13|| ||SaVVy66: I THINK IF
63 Kg6 and now king can gulp H pawn of of black any more variations for draw?
|Mar-11-13|| ||FSR: Sultan Khan was a tough defender, but he was lucky to escape here. The spectators moaned "Euweeeee" when they saw White's 55th move.|
|Mar-11-13|| ||RookFile: That's pretty hilarious.|
|Jun-04-15|| ||Phony Benoni: I once had a similar ending in a team match, but with one important difference:|
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as you can see. I had White, and went ahead an played 1.b5. You never know, you know.
My opponent reached out his hand to capture the pawn, but instead clasped it to his forehead and exclaimed, "Oh, know! If I take the pawn you're stalemated!"
Much to the detriment of my eternal soul, I said, "So it's a draw?"
He shook his head sadly. "Yes, it's a draw."
So we shook hands, and I qualified to the Olympic 100-meter dash by getting away from the board before his teammates descended on him.
|Jun-04-15|| ||Sneaky: I know it's a draw, but psychologically, it sure hurts a lot to be on the "not quite winning" end of this situation. To me it's as bad as losing. You feel robbed.|
|Jun-04-15|| ||Hot Logic: Um... in case things are not clear here, in <Phony Benoni>'s case Black was completely winning after 1...axb5 2.a6 Be4 Black will stop white's a pawn AND Black's pawn has become a b-pawn, which will queen on a light coloured square - completely winning for Black (with reasonable care). He swindled his opponent verbally!|
Not only would the team-mates be upset with the Black player for offering a draw in a winning position, but they would not be too happy with Phony Benoni either. Best hope they never meet in a dark alley...
|Jun-04-15|| ||The Long Diagonal: <Not only would the team-mates be upset with the Black player for offering a draw in a winning position, but they would not be too happy with Phony Benoni either>|
Respectfully disagree. Even if the alley is completely dark and it's midnight, it's still hard to see the teammates claiming with a serious face that good sportmanship required Phony to turn down the opponent's draw offer because his position was lost. Neither are you required to show your opponent how to beat you if he can't find the winning continuation himself.
|Jun-04-15|| ||Penguincw: Is this the first time ever 3 straight GOTDs have been drawn (not saying it's a bad thing, just wondering).|
|Jun-04-15|| ||The Long Diagonal: Of course, we can imagine a different end for Phony’s story:|
PB’s Opponent: *reaches out his hand to capture the pawn, but instead claspes it to his forehead and exclaimes, "Oh, know! If I take the pawn you're stalemated!"
PB: *Much to the refreshment of his eternal soul* "Only if you take with the bishop. But if you take with the pawn, you win"
Opponent: “Oh, thanks a lot!” *plays …axb5*
In that scenario, I believe PB might have had a good reason to avoid meeting his own teammates in a dark alley.
|Jun-04-15|| ||keypusher: <The Long Diagnonal> Excellent point.|
<PB>, honestly, the most surprising thing to me is that a player who thought 1....axb5 was stalemate managed to get you into such a bad position.
Team events are funny. The only time I played in them a lot was when I lived in the UK. And I was awful...if you'd calculated my rating based solely on team events, it would have been hundreds of points lower (USCF, not BCF). Once we only needed me to draw to win a team match. I adjourned in a completely won position, spent a week or so happily figuring out different ways to win, then went back to the adjournment and discovered I had sealed...a different move. I quickly got a draw and so was able to avoid meeting my teammates in a dark alley.
|Jun-04-15|| ||kevin86: White is a bishop ahead but bad luck:both pawns are on the h-file and the bishop is the wrong color: RATS!|
|Jun-04-15|| ||Retireborn: Something very similar happened in this game:-
Chandler vs Zsuzsa Polgar, 1987
Such endgames are sometimes drawn even if the bishop is the "right" colour:-
Nunn vs Salov, 1988
|Jun-04-15|| ||Phony Benoni: On the other hand, there's the Troitzky position:
J Garcia Padron vs J M Bellon Lopez, 1990 (kibitz #71)
|Jun-04-15|| ||Retireborn: <Phony> Thanks, not seen that before....give White a pawn at a5 and it's a draw like Nunn-Salov, I suppose!|
|Jun-04-15|| ||scoplon: Another case of the impotent pair. I once pulled out a draw with a long plan that involved a sacrifice to get a similar set up that confounded my superior opponent (rated 200 points higher than me). It was a fun draw!|
|Jun-04-15|| ||mruknowwho: Impressive that Black was able to draw the game in spite of the endgame situation.|
|Jun-04-15|| ||thegoodanarchist: <Phony Benoni:
My opponent reached out his hand to capture the pawn, but instead clasped it to his forehead and exclaimed, "Oh, <<<know>>>! If I take the pawn you're stalemated!">
How do you know that he didn't say "Oh,no!..."?
|Jun-04-15|| ||Stonehenge: Here 38. Rxd6 looked like a bad move but apparently white had already seen the endgame:|
Lin Chen vs Ding Liren, 2015
|Jun-04-15|| ||LoveThatJoker: Spassky vs Petrosian, 1966|
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