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Jun-18-03
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| chessgames.com: No, this is a beautiful draw. This must have been Deja Vu for Euwe! See my comments at Euwe vs Sultan Khan, 1931 |
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Jun-18-03
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| Honza Cervenka: 55.e6 is not very useful move (why not for example 55.Bc6?) and 56.g4 is definitely bad (why not 56.h4?). White could try also 57.Ng2 instead of 57.Nh5+, but then Black probably has a draw after 57...Bf1. |
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| Jun-18-03 |
| KrillinKC: Basically, black's king can just keep moving back and forth in that corner and white wouldn't be able to checkmate him. If white traps the king so black's only possible move is g4, then white pretty much has to take that pawn, resulting in stalemate. However, if that pawn is taken with the bishop, thus relieving the stalemate at the same time, the game would still eventually be a stalemate if the black king is able to trap itself at h8 when white tries to promote. ...i guess =). i'm a newb |
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| Nov-05-03 |
| lothlorien: white cannot win from this position since its the wrong corner for its bishop and the black king cannot be displaced. |
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| Nov-05-03 |
| drukenknight: it would be funny to see how a computer evaluates the position. |
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| Dec-10-03 |
| Panzar75: Chessmaster 9000 on my computer starts out at about +1.50 but after just a little while it's down to almost nothing. At a search depth of 28/32 (500 million positions searched) it evaluates the position as +0.12 with any of the moves Kf6, Kf7 or Ke7. And as stated, this is a theoretical draw. White cannot guard h8 with the King or Bishop so black can just keep moving to that square every other move. Even if white were to promote, the King would just capture the Queen on h8. |
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Dec-10-03
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| Resignation Trap: This is a lot like:
Korchnoi vs Karpov, 1978
Korchnoi tried very hard to win, and there was a way for the defense to go wrong. |
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Dec-10-03
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| Calli: Agree with Honzo on 55.e6 being weak. I like 55.Be6. A bishop exchange would favor White, IMHO. If black avoids the exchange, White controls a lot more key squares, i.e., Bd5, Ne6+ etc. |
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Apr-06-04
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| kevin86: A remarkable draw! White is up a full piece and stll cannot win. White can ever chase the king from h8. White's pawn can also never leave the h file-except on penalty of stalemate. This was caused by black's clever positioning of his pawns ad the timely bishop sac. |
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| Apr-06-04 |
| Taidanii: 51. Kf6 Kh7 52. Kf6 Kh8 53. Kg6 Kg8 54. Kxh6... doesn't win? Someone help me out here. |
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Apr-07-04
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| Calli: <Taidanii:> I thought Kevin explained it rather well. Rook Pawn + Bishop of the wrong color (no control of the queening square) vs. a lone king is a well-known draw. |
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| Oct-16-05 |
| thathwamasi: This is an amazing game when it comes to sultan khan's understanding of the game. He has pulled the draw out like a rabbit out of the hat. exactly like the other game that chessgames have mentioned.<chessgames.com> Make this a sultan khan week by featuring the game against capa and the game against marshall as the game of the day soon. |
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| Oct-16-05 |
| bomb the bishop: I find 58..h6? to be a mistake, couldn't black have placed their king on the h rank in order to gobble all the enemy's pawns, and as played, give away his bishop for a pawn? yet this time having two pawns two queen? |
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Oct-16-05
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| khense: Everybody knows about the rook pawn & the wrong bishop. Hard to believe Euwe couldn't avoid this ending. |
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| Oct-16-05 |
| pankajdaga: Can someone explain how this is a draw. What about Kf6 for white now... |
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| Oct-16-05 |
| jcr2001: <pankajdaga>well, black can just Kg8 and Kh8 again and again and white can't do anything about it. It will lead to stalemate if it continues. |
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| Oct-16-05 |
| soberknight: There seems to be a lot of confusion regarding why the final position is a draw. Let me make it clear. Even if Black had no pawns, White's material is insufficient to win. A white rook's pawn cannot queen if the black king can occupy or defend the promotion square. A "wrong-colored" white bishop that does not control the promotion square is totally useless. In other words, Black could draw by playing Kh8-g7-h8 ad nauseum and allowing White to capture the pawns on g6 and h5. It's amazing that Sultan Khan managed to pull out the draw. Almost from the beginning, he had to defend from a cramped position and an inferior pawn structure. |
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Oct-16-05
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| OhioChessFan: Amusing little trap set on White's 24th move. Replaying the game, I wanted to take the b pawn, but then saw my horse was a goner if I did so. As others noted, it appears to me that 55 e6 was a poor move. I prefer Bc6 there, but Be6 also looks sufficient. |
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| Oct-16-05 |
| EmperorAtahualpa: I usually prefer players going for the win, but this is a brilliant draw! Nice GOTD. |
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Oct-16-05
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| kevin86: Recently,hockey has eliminated the draw-because in America-according to the media experts-we need a WIN. Yet,we have coaches and broadcasters saying that nobody deserved to lose in certain situations. This game was well played-a draw is no sin here! |
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| Oct-16-05 |
| THE pawn: <kevin86> Yeah already we see penalty shots after an overtime. I agree with the fact that we need a win, but this is just not fair for certain teams (the penalty shots to solve the problem). Good all-around teams would lose against worse teams that have a few all-stars players. Even if your team is better in a game, he would lose the match because he doesn't have good penalty shot players. So it doesn't determine which team is stronger. In fact, each time it goes into penalty shot sequences, the same teams would always win. As for the game, Sultan Khan never cease to amaze me. He managed to steal a draw, not once, but twice against Max Euwe. No wonder he's one of my favorites. |
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| Oct-16-05 |
| Fezzik: On the tangent of dropping draws: Part of chess technique is to win these types of games. If you know that a certain endgame is drawn, your job is to avoid it if you have the advantage or force it if you don't. This game is memorable precisely because of the draw. I only wish that Euwe had tried a little bit longer because the Black only needs one small mistake (for example, playing Kxh6 when White can come in from behind with Kg8!) for White to win. |
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Oct-17-05
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| khense: <Fezzik> No way! Black will remain a happy camper on H8 and any adjacent square he's allowed to move to. |
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| Jun-15-06 |
| Tariqov: if Black moved his h5 pawn to g6 and white takes away his h5 pawn in the ending white wins,amazing isn't it?? |
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| Jul-27-09 |
| WhiteRook48: doesn't happen and no it's not amazing, it's ending theory |
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