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Feb-04-20
 | | HeMateMe: wasn't Huebner twice a Candidates finalist? Hugely ignorant to criticize him for one draw against Fischer. bobby Fischer was mentally ill and became progressively worse after 1972. |
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| Feb-05-20 | | Howard: Granted, Fischer just simply had an off day when he played Hubner---not to sound overcritical of him. Hubner, by the way, made the Candidates three times--not two. |
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| Feb-05-20 | | Petrosianic: You misheard him. He said Hubner was a two time <finalist> (not candidate). That's not correct, only a one-time finalist. But it still seems bizarre though, to have to make excuses for Fischer not winning EVERY game. He didn't have an "off day", he simply shouldn't be expected to score 100% all the time, even on a good day. This is exactly why Harrylime despises Fischer, by the way, and tries to shout down all conversations about him. Harry believes in a mythical Zeus-like Fischer, with godlike powers, who should win every game (as a non-chessplayer himself, Harry doesn't realize how ridiculous this is), and hates the real Fischer for not living up to the fantasy. |
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Feb-05-20
| | HeMateMe: Didnt huebner lose the final twice, both times on weird tie breakers like a roulette wheel (black/red) or a 5 minute game? |
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| Feb-05-20 | | Granny O Doul: Huebner was eliminated in the quarters in 1983 by losing the roulette spin to Smyslov. Another Candidates tiebreaker was Spassky-Portisch 1980, where the former was eliminated because his win was with White. Then there was the planned Tal-Larsen sheep bone tiebreaker in 1965 which unfortunately never came to pass. |
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| Feb-05-20 | | Petrosianic: Right, Hubner did lose a Candidates Match on a roulette wheel spin, but it was a Quarterfinal Match. Hubner's Candidates Matches were:
Loss vs. Petrosian
Win vs. Adorjan
Win vs. Portisch
Loss vs. Korchnoi
Loss vs. Smyslov
In two of those matches he walked out before it was over, and in one he lost on tiebreak. So only in two matches out of 5 did it really reach a normal conclusion. |
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| Feb-10-20 | | diceman: I doubt Fisher ever had a win in this game. He would have been slightly better after 32.Bf3, but no win. People forget, you can't manufacture wins. Huebner played well, that's why Fischer had no win. You need your opponent to make mistakes to win. |
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| Feb-10-20 | | RookFile: Sort of funny for Fischer to meet a guy even more high strung than himself. It sounds like if you looked at Huebner the wrong way he's go to pieces. |
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Apr-03-20
 | | alexmagnus: <Huebner was eliminated in the quarters in 1983 by losing the roulette spin to Smyslov. Another Candidates tiebreaker was Spassky-Portisch 1980, where the former was eliminated because his win was with White. Then there was the planned Tal-Larsen sheep bone tiebreaker in 1965 which unfortunately never came to pass.> And people complain about rapids as tiebreaker :D |
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| Jun-24-20 | | Howard: Petrosianic has overlooked huebner’s 1991 loss to Timman, which was a Candidates match. Granted, that was a rather “low profile” match, in my view. |
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| Jun-24-20 | | Olavi: <alexmagnus: <Huebner was eliminated in the quarters in 1983 by losing the roulette spin to Smyslov. Another Candidates tiebreaker was Spassky-Portisch 1980, where the former was eliminated because his win was with White. Then there was the planned Tal-Larsen sheep bone tiebreaker in 1965 which unfortunately never came to pass.>
And people complain about rapids as tiebreaker :D> I much prefer the roulette spin, or they could throw darts rather than play rapids, to make clear that it's a different game. But nowadays they even play blitz starting from a winning position for Black as tiebreaker... |
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| Nov-24-20 | | RadioBoy: Wasn't one of the factors leading Huebner to abandon the match with Petrosian the fact that Petrosian kept shaking the table? A tactic that Petrosian and also employed in his subsequent match with Korchnoi? I believe that Korchnoi first warned Petrosian about this over the board, and then complained to the arbiter? Then after Korchnoi won the next game Petrosian resigned the match claiming that Korchnoi was preventing him from playing? Cheaters always seem to accuse others of cheating... |
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Mar-20-24
| | HeMateMe: I'd like to know more about sheep bone tie breakers. Does this involve animal cruelty? I hope not. |
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Mar-20-24
| | HeMateMe: Love the pun. Us regular punsters wish we'd THOT of it! |
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Mar-20-24
 | | beatgiant: Is this pun a reference to the 1972 film "The Other," directed by Bobby Mulligan, on the theory that Huebner "took a mulligan" by saving the game after Fischer missed some winning chances? Or am I missing something more obvious? |
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Mar-20-24
| | beatgiant: I mean of course I realize the game features a famous Bobby and a less famous other Bobby, but there's usually more to it than that. |
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| Mar-20-24 | | VerySeriousExpert: Bobby Fischer's opening plan is weak! Why? It maybe, he had health problems that day. |
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Mar-20-24
 | | offramp: Round 1. 3pm.
HÜBNER: <<Guten Abend. Wussten Sie, dass wir beide den gleichen Vornamen haben?>> |
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Mar-20-24
 | | MissScarlett: <Is this pun a reference to the 1972 film "The Other," directed by Bobby Mulligan> Obviously.
I'm wondering if anyone ever called po-faced Huebner 'Bobby'. Are familiar/shortened names (like Bobby, Richard/Dick, Anthony/Tony, Henry/Harry) common outside the Anglosphere? |
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| Mar-20-24 | | thegoodanarchist: < MissScarlett:
I'm wondering if anyone ever called po-faced Huebner 'Bobby'. Are familiar/shortened names (like Bobby, Richard/Dick, Anthony/Tony, Henry/Harry) common outside the Anglosphere?> I've heard both Peter Svidler and Peter Leko refer to Richard Rapport as "Richie". None of those three are from the Anglosphere. |
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| Mar-20-24 | | Cassandro: Familiar/shortened names are extremely common in Russia; like Sasha Grischuk or Volodya Kramnik, Tolya Karpov, etc. |
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Mar-20-24
 | | FSR: I doubt Huebner would like being called "Bobby." <Howard: Bit hard to believe that Fischer--playing White--couldn't beat Huebner, who was only 22 at the time.> Despite his youth, Huebner wasn't exactly a pushover. He tied with Larsen and Geller for second. He could have been outright second, if he hadn't tried too hard as White against Smyslov in the last round, and lost. Note that Fischer <lost> as White against Larsen in this tournament. Fischer vs Larsen, 1970. I met Huebner at the Cloverline Tournament (1982), which he won in crushing fashion, and obtained his autograph. He has the tiniest signature I've ever seen. He signed my book on the Huebner Variation of the Nimzo-Indian. In asking him to do so, I observed that he was the "author" of the variation, as it were. He objected to my characterization, saying that Portisch had played it first. True enough. https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... But Portisch scored +1 =5 -2 with it, while Huebner scored +4 =3. Compare Repertoire Explorer: Lajos Portisch (black) with Repertoire Explorer: Robert Huebner (black). |
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| Mar-20-24 | | Arlekhino: <MissScarlett (...) Are familiar/shortened names (like Bobby, Richard/Dick, Anthony/Tony, Henry/Harry) common outside the Anglosphere?> Here in Brazil it is common too, e.g.: Francisco/Chico, Roberto/Beto, Jaqueline/Jaque, Eduardo/Edu, etc. |
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Mar-20-24
 | | Teyss: Hi FSR,
Thanks for the anecdote and links, it's always inspiring to read your posts. Too bad there isn't a "Like" button on this site as I and some users have suggested. Interesting that Huebner (or Hübner) answered so humbly to your comment. Shows that great players can remain modest. Like Fisch... Kaspa... Kramn... well, some of them. I don't exactly know if 32.Qxa7 was a mistake or if Fischer wanted to unsettle Huebner who was short on time, as noted above. Maybe he saw the continuation and was hoping his opponent wouldn't see it in zeitnot, so he would remain two Pawns up. If Huebner did see it, the position would be equal. Fischer then preferred this gamble to e.g. moving the B or K with his opponent getting closer to time control. Or maybe Fischer didn't see it at all, which wouldn't be surprising: he was prone to blunders out of the blue in a well-played game. Surprising for a player of that caliber, but I think it's due to his over-confidence. A few examples:
Fischer vs Letelier, 1959
Geller vs Fischer, 1965
Fischer vs R Byrne, 1965
Fischer vs Larsen, 1966
And of course Spassky vs Fischer, 1972 |
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Jan-06-25
 | | keithbc: seems a bit odd that Fischer did not continue here as really had nothing to lose as still could draw even if he lost all the pawns! |
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