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Max Lange vs NN
"Take the Lange Way Home" (game of the day Nov-11-2009)
Unknown (1855)
Elephant Gambit: Wasp Variation (C40)  ·  1-0


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Nov-11-09  GMMandetowitch: I guess 7-...Qf3 was perhamps a better try.Well,white should retain a probably winning advantage(he should come out with a pawn up),but at least trading queens,black has the chance to develop his pieces,and hope to have enough activity to survive.For example,if Qxf3 exf3+ Kxf3 Nh6(or Nf6, Im not sure which is the best)Nxh8 Bg4+(developing with check,black hopes to castle queenside and be very active with all this white pieces still in the first rank)Kg2 ...Nd7 d3 0-0-0 and I stop here,black seems active and to have at least temporary counterchances for the pawn...of course my followup was not at all forced,so those who have better alternatives for white,just post it!
Nov-11-09  kmzr: this game is like Greco-NN games
Nov-11-09  sfm: Seems that White was lucky here. Simply 7.-,Qf3+ 8.QxQ,PxQ+ 9.KxP,Nf6 10.NxR,Bg4+ 11.Kg2,Bh5 12.d4,g5 12.BxP,Bg7 is too good for black. White can try other moves than 9.KxP, but I think he is lost. But if NN had played like that, we'd never have known the game.
Nov-11-09  lzromeu: The Black Queen was trying to do a "olympic lap". Romantic times.
Nov-11-09  Anthony1: I'd go with 3...Qe7
Nov-11-09  kingfu: Interesting development for black. Queen devours white back row except the King! Black "develops" his king to the middle of the board. ALL remaining black pieces and pawns are comfortable on their original squares.
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  ajile: NN takes yet another beating.


Nov-11-09  RandomVisitor: 4 minutes per move:

Max Lange - NN

Unknown Unknown, 1855

[Rybka 3 ]

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d5 3.Nxe5 dxe4 4.Bc4 Qg5 last book move

5.Nxf7 -1.80/18 Qxg2 -1.67/17
6.Qh5?? -7.36/13
[Rybka 3 : 6.Rf1 Bg4 7.Be2 Bxe2 8.Qxe2 Kxf7 9.Qc4+ Ke8 10.Qxc7 Nd7 11.Qxb7 Rb8 12.Qxa7 Nh6 13.f4 Bc5 14.Qa6 Ng4 15.Qe2 Qxe2+ 16.Kxe2 Ndf6 17.h3 Nh6 18.f5 Nh5 19.Kd1 -1.67/17 ]

6...Qxh1+ -7.12/13
7.Ke2 -8.67/13 Qxc1? 3.59/16
[Rybka 3 : 7...g6 8.Qe5 + -8.67/13 ]

8.Nd6+?= 0.00/19
[Rybka 3 : 8.Nc3 Nf6 9.Qe5+ Be7 10.Rxc1 Nc6 11.Qxc7 Nd4+ 12.Kf1 Rf8 13.Ng5 h6 14.Nb5 hxg5 15.Nxd4 Bh3+ 16.Kg1 Rd8 17.c3 Rh8 18.Qxb7 Rh4 19.Bf1 Bd7 20.Qxa7 Bd6 21.h3 3.59/16 ]

8...Kd7 0.00/17
9.Qf7+?? -3.68/17
[Rybka 3 : 9.Qf5+ Kxd6 10.Qd5+ Ke7= 0.00/17 ]

9...Kxd6?= 0.00/18
[Rybka 3 : 9...Ne7 10.Na3 Qxb2 11.Nab5 Kc6 12.Nxc8 Qe5 13.Rb1 Kd7 14.Nd4 b6 15.Be6+ Kd8 16.c3 c5 17.Rc1 g6 18.h3 h5 -3.68/17 ]

10.Nc3 -1.23/16
[Rybka 3 : 10.Qd5+ Ke7 11.Qf7+ Kd6= 0.00/18 ]

10...Qxa1? #4/3
[Rybka 3 : 10...Bg4+ 11.Ke3 Nf6 12.Rxc1 Nbd7 13.Be2 Bxe2 14.Kxe2 c6 15.Nxe4+ Kc7 16.Nxf6 gxf6 17.Re1 Bd6 18.h3 Raf8 19.Qh5 Rfg8 20.d4 Rg5 21.Qf7 h6 22.c3 Rg2 23.Qh5 -1.23/16 ]

11.Nxe4+ #5/3 Ke5 #3/3
12.Qd5+ #4/3 Kf4 #3/3
13.Qg5+ #3/3 Kxe4 #2/3
14.d3+ #2/3 Kd4 #1/3
15.Qe3#?= 0.00/0
[Rybka 3 : 15.Qd5# #1/3 ]


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  Once: That's not chess - it's yet another sequel to Saw.

Great fun to play through, though.

Nov-11-09  arnaud1959: the same pun could have been used for Kick Langeweg
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  Once: <RV> Useful analysis, as always - thanks!

In other words, white's attack was utter pants but NN got greedy and grabbed too much material.

6. Qh5 drops the eval to a whopping -7, but black throws it away by grabbing the Bc1 and the Ra1. He allows his queen to be dragged too far from the action.

But then the tempting 8. Nd6+ should have led to a level position instead of the lethal 8. Nc3, drawing the black queen further into the badlands of the white queenside.

Mistakes on both sides, but white's aggression carries him through.

In this game, black plays 3 pawn moves, 5 queen moves and 6 king moves. And that's it - none of the other black pieces move or are captured.

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  Marmot PFL: Greed is not always good.
Nov-11-09  WhiteRook48: someone loves animals
Nov-11-09  Dravus: Like Bonnie and Clyde, Black's King and Queen, with their loot hanging all over the place, wonder why it's hard to get good help.
Nov-11-09  fred lennox: peculiar game. What do you expect; wasp variation on an elephant gambit.
Nov-11-09  MaxxLange: TAKE MY ROOKS!
Nov-11-09  bengalcat47: Neither a charging elephant nor a wasp's sting is a match for a queen on the rampage!
Nov-12-09  sfm: <Marmot PFL: Greed is not always good.> LOL!
Nov-12-09  David2009: Max Lange vs NN, 1855 Fun game, nice analysis <RandomVisitor>: <[snip] 8.Nd6+?= 0.00/19 [Rybka 3 : 8.Nc3!! Nf6 9.Qe5+ Be7 10.Rxc1> Although Q for R+B down, Crafty playing Black finds resources in this position.

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It is harder to win than it looks. On-line link: You can also try out the Nd6++? line against good defence with the same link.

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  kevin86: Black ends ahead two rooks and three pieces!! Not to worry,white,for black left his army at home. lol
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  whiteshark: <MatoJelic> made a short video on an even quicker Max Lange win, starting with <8.Nc3!>
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  Bubo bubo: <Sim1: I believe this game features in "Better Chess for Average Players" as an instructional game between two fictional players, Black being "Hack'em Harry".>

Not exactly this game, but a quite similar one, starting with the notorious Qg5-variation of the Latvian:

[White "NN"]
[Black "Hack'em Harry"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f5 3. Bc4 fxe4 4. Nxe5 Qg5 5. d4 Qxg2 6. Qh5+ g6 7. Bf7+ Kd8 8. Bxg6 Qxh1+ 9. Ke2 c6 10. Nc3 e3 11. Be4 Qg1 12. Bxe3 Qxa1 13. Nf7+ Kc7 14. Qg5 b6 15. Nb5+ Kb7 16. Nd8+ Ka6 17. Nc7#

In both games Black refuses to move other pieces than king, queen and pawns, with the same catastrophic result.

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  CheckMateEndsTheGame: I'm glad I read the comments I hated Qh5
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  fredthebear: The above game without the Black knight developed, otherwise resembles the famous Blackburn-Shilling trap in the Italian game:

The Kostic Trap is also known as the Blackburne-Shilling trap since Joseph Henry Blackburne used it to win shillings from amateurs. It is a dubious trap since White can easily avoid it. It is an off-shoot of the Italian Game and has been used to beat countless players. Here is the trap:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 The Italian Game
3... Nd4 This is the trap. White can play NxNd4, c3, 0-0, or Nc3 avoiding the trap. Instead playing Nxe5 leads to a blunder.

4.Nxe5 Qg5 5.Nxf7 Better was Bxf7+ and then castling 5... Qxg2 6.Rf1 Qxe4+ 7.Be2 Nf3# 0-1 Smothered mate robs the pin.

Aug-07-18  TheTamale: "I'm playing a much stronger player who seems to be offering lots of material. Nothing to be concerned about here!"
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