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Raymond Keene
Keene 
Photograph copyright (c) 2003 Bo Zaunders
courtesy of keeneonchess.com.
 

Number of games in database: 1,909
Years covered: 1960 to 2012
Last FIDE rating: 2455
Highest rating achieved in database: 2510
Overall record: +1018 -180 =665 (72.5%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games in the database. 46 exhibition games, blitz/rapid, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Reti System (148) 
    A04 A05 A06
 King's Indian (119) 
    E62 E80 E63 E69 E94
 English (73) 
    A15 A13 A14 A16 A12
 Nimzo Indian (72) 
    E30 E41 E42 E49 E26
 Grunfeld (53) 
    D91 D85 D79 D74 D76
 Queen's Gambit Declined (49) 
    D31 D35 D37 D30 D06
With the Black pieces:
 Robatsch (121) 
    B06
 Sicilian (113) 
    B32 B22 B25 B30 B78
 Pirc (99) 
    B09 B08 B07
 King's Indian (69) 
    E83 E73 E94 E62 E92
 French Defense (58) 
    C18 C05 C00 C02 C09
 Queen's Pawn Game (56) 
    A45 A40 A41 A50 D02
Repertoire Explorer

NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Keene vs Miles, 1976 1-0
   S J Hutchings vs Keene, 1973 0-1
   Keene vs V Kovacevic, 1973 1-0
   Keene vs Robatsch, 1971 1-0
   Keene vs E Fielder, 1964 1-0
   Keene vs Briant, 1988 1-0
   M Basman vs Keene, 1981 0-1
   Keene vs S Kerr, 1979 1-0
   E Jimenez Zerquera vs Keene, 1974 0-1
   Keene vs J N Sugden, 1961 1-0

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Strasbourg Open (1973)
   British Championship (1971)
   Lugano Olympiad qual-1 (1968)
   Slater Young Masters (1968)
   5th Lloyds Bank Masters Open (1981)
   Capablanca Memorial-B (1974)
   Alicante (1977)
   Sydney IM (1979)
   Hanover (1976)
   Hastings 1968/69 (1968)
   Esbjerg (1981)
   Commonwealth Championship (1983)
   Stevenson Memorial (1965)
   British Championship (1982)
   Reykjavik (1976)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   0ZeR0's collected games volume 46 by 0ZeR0
   0ZeR0's collected games volume 45 by 0ZeR0
   50 K Players of Yesteryear by fredthebear
   ANNOTATED HUMAN GAMES by rpn4
   ANNOTATED+ GAMES by Patca63
   ANNOTATED HUMAN GAMES by gambitfan
   ANNOTATED+ GAMES by kafkafan
   ANNOTATED HUMAN GAMES by Rickdudester
   franskfranz's 1. Nf3 by franskfranz

GAMES ANNOTATED BY KEENE: [what is this?]
   Leko vs Kramnik, 2004
   Leko vs Kramnik, 2004
   Leko vs Kramnik, 2004
   Kramnik vs Leko, 2004
   Topalov vs Kramnik, 2006
   >> 406 GAMES ANNOTATED BY KEENE

RECENT GAMES:
   🏆 Simultaneous exhibition
   Keene vs A Pleasants (Aug-??-12) 0-1, exhibition

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RAYMOND KEENE
(born Jan-29-1948, 77 years old) United Kingdom

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Raymond Denis Keene won the British Chess Championship in 1971, and was the first player from England to earn a Grandmaster norm, in 1974. In 1976 he became the second Englishman (following Tony Miles) to be awarded the Grandmaster title, and he was the second British chess player to beat an incumbent World Chess Champion (following Jonathan Penrose's defeat of Mikhail Tal in 1960). He represented England in eight Chess Olympiads.

Keene retired from competitive play in 1986 at the age of thirty-eight, and is now better known as a chess organiser, columnist and author. He was involved in organising the 1986, 1993 and 2000 World Chess Championships; and the 1997, 1998 and 1999 Mind Sports Olympiads; all held in London. Keene was the chess correspondent of The Times from 1985 to November 2019, and is a prolific author, having written over 100 books on chess. He was appointed an Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) for services to chess in 1985.

Keene is a controversial figure in the chess world. He has been accused of plagiarism, and his business dealings and the quality of his chess books, columns and articles have also been criticised.

Chess career
Keene won the London and British Under 18 Championships (shared with Brian Denman) in 1964, and represented England at the 1965 and 1967 World Junior Chess Championships, held in Barcelona and Jerusalem respectively. At the latter event he took the silver medal, finishing behind Julio Kaplan. He was educated at Dulwich College and Trinity College, Cambridge (where he studied modern languages and graduated with an MA). Keene wrote his first chess book whilst studying at Cambridge, and won the British Chess Championship at Blackpool 1971. As a result, he was awarded the International Master title in 1972, the first English player to achieve this since Jonathan Penrose in 1961. In 1974, Keene married Annette, the sister of International Master David S. Goodman. They have one son, Alexander, born in 1991.

Keene was the second British player to meet the necessary requirements to become a Grandmaster. He was pipped to the post by a few months by Tony Miles, the first British Grandmaster in 1976. Both he and Miles won financial prizes for this feat.

Miles and Keene were at the forefront of the English chess explosion of the next 20 years, and they were followed by other British grandmasters such as Michael Stean, John Nunn, Jon Speelman and Jonathan Mestel.

Keene represented England for nearly two decades in international team events, beginning with the 1966 Chess Olympiad in Havana at age 18. He followed with the next seven straight Olympiads: Lugano 1968, Siegen 1970, Skopje 1972, Nice 1974, Haifa 1976, Buenos Aires 1978, and La Valletta 1980. His individual performances at Lugano and Haifa merited bronze medals (although individual medals were not, in fact, awarded at Haifa) and he was undefeated in three Olympiads – these two and Siegen. His later performances, though, were less impressive, with just two draws from four games at Buenos Aires and losses in both his games at La Valletta.

He represented England four times at the Students' Olympiad (Örebro 1966, Harrachov 1967, Ybbs 1968 and Dresden 1969) and four times at the European Team Championships (Bath 1973, Moscow 1977, Skara 1980 and Plovdiv 1983). At Skara he won both a bronze medal with the team and the individual gold medal for the best score on his board.

Keene won the 1971 British championship and shared second place on three occasions, in 1968, 1970 and 1972. His tournament victories include Hastings Challengers 1966, Slater Challenge Southend 1968, Johannesburg 1973, Woolacombe 1973, Capablanca Memorial (Master Group) 1974, Alicante 1977, Sydney 1979, Dortmund 1980, Barcelona 1980, Lloyds Bank Masters 1981, Adelaide 1983 and La Valletta 1985.

Playing style
Keene's playing style tended toward the strategically original and positional. Strongly influenced by Aron Nimzowitsch and Richard Réti, he accordingly preferred hypermodern openings such as the Modern Defence, Nimzo-Indian Defence and King's Indian Defence.

Chess-related work

Organiser
Keene worked as a chess event organiser. He was the originator and organiser of the annual Staunton memorial chess tournaments, one of the few regular events for masters held in London. The Oxford Companion comments: "By a combination of ability and shrewdness, Keene has attracted considerable sponsorship and has proved himself capable of efficient and rapid organisation of chess events".p196

Keene brought Victor Korchnoi and Garry Kasparov together for their 1983 Candidates' semi-final match in London as part of the 1984 World Championship cycle; the semi-final match between Vasily Smyslov and Zoltán Ribli was also played at the same site. He organised the 1984 Russia (USSR) vs Rest of the World match in London within two weeks, enabling the event to go ahead on time after the previous plans had fallen through, described by John Nunn as "a magnificent organisational achievement at such short notice."

Keene has also been involved in organising several World Championship finals matches. He arranged for the first half of the World Chess Championship 1986 return match between Kasparov and Karpov in London. The match, however, made a loss for the British Chess Federation (BCF) and, for reasons never clarified, he resigned from his position in the BCF shortly afterwards. He organised the 1993 PCA World Championship match between Kasparov and Nigel Short in London, for which he was one of the official commentators along with Grandmasters Jonathan Speelman and Daniel King. He was the instrumental force behind 'Brain Games', which organized the World Championship match in 2000 between Kasparov and Vladimir Kramnik. Following the match, however, he retained the trophy in lieu of money he believed he was owed by the collapse of Brain Games: Kramnik did not receive it until 2008. Brain Games later collapsed in controversial circumstances.

Columnist
Keene became the chess columnist of The Spectator in March 1977. His column was terminated in September 2019, when he was replaced by Luke McShane. Following the retirement of Harry Golombek, Keene was appointed the chess correspondent of The Times in 1985. In November 2019 he was replaced by David Howell. In December 1996 he became the chess columnist of the Sunday Times. In August 2017 he was replaced by David Howell.

Television personality
Keene has appeared on television. He covered the world championships of 1981, 1985, 1986, 1990, 1993, and 1995 for BBC 2, CHANNEL 4, and Thames TV. In the "Duels of the Mind" series which aired on the UK ITV network, Keene, along with South African author and civil rights campaigner Donald Woods, discussed and analysed what Keene regarded as the twelve best chess games ever played.

Magazine editor
From 1978 to 1982, Keene was the editor of Modern Chess Theory, a magazine on openings which included contributions from the Soviet world champions Mikhail Botvinnik, Vasily Smyslov, and Mikhail Tal.

Author
Keene claims to be "the author of 140 books on chess". He was the Chess Advisor to Batsford. His early books such as Howard Staunton (1975, with R. N. Coles) often dealt with players with styles similar to his own. Aron Nimzowitsch: a Reappraisal (1974) is much admired and was revised and translated into Russian in 1986,1 with an algebraic edition published in English in 1999. In 1989, he and Nathan Divinsky wrote Warriors of the Mind, an attempt to determine the 64 best chess players of all time. The statistical methods used have not met with wide approval, but the player biographies and games were regarded by one book as providing a good overviewbut also incurred criticism for inaccuracy. Much of Keene's later work has attracted criticism for sloppiness, plagiarism and the habit of copying passages, including errors, from one book to another.

Controversies
Allegations of plagiarism
Keene has on several occasions been accused of plagiarism. In 1993 John Donaldson accused Keene of committing plagiarism in The Complete Book of Gambits (Batsford, 1992). Donaldson wrote "Just how blatant was the plagiarism? Virtually every word and variation in the four and a half pages devoted to Lisitsin's Gambit in Keene's book was stolen." After Keene refused to pay Donaldson a requested $200 for the use of his material, Keene's American publisher Henry Holt and Company ended up paying Donaldson $3,000.

In 2008, Keene was accused of plagiarising a column by Edward Winter for a piece published in The Spectator and subsequently on the website Chessville and on page 129 of his book The Official Biography of Tony Buzan. More than a third of the article was taken directly from Winter's column.

In 2013, Winter reflected on plagiarism in chess: "a particularly sordid corner of the chess world which will never be eradicated without maximum public exposure". He went on: "The latest instance is the discovery by Justin Horton that material from the first volume of Kasparov's My Great Predecessors series has been misappropriated by Raymond Keene in The Spectator."

Private Eye describes the plagiarism as involving "substantial amounts of text lifted from chess books, mainly Kasparov's but also other authors". One case involves Keene's notes to a game between Garry Kasparov and Anatoly Karpov, which he annotated for The Times on 8 December 2011 and The Spectator on 5 January 2013.

These alleged plagiarisms, which Edward Winter calls "eye-popping" are catalogued at "a convenient 'plagiarism index' which is being kept updated".

Tony Miles
In 1985, Keene received £1,178 from the BCF for being Tony Miles' second at the Interzonal in Tunis; however, he had not actually been Miles' second but accepted the money and shared it with Miles. Miles had initially agreed to this plan but eventually told the BCF about it in 1987. Two months later, Keene resigned his posts as BCF Publicity Director and FIDE delegate. Keene said that his resignation was for different reasons, and that he was "furious" at his treatment after organising numerous events from 1983 to 1987.

Brain Games Network
In 2000, Keene's former brother-in-law David Levy accused him of deceiving the directors of their company Mind Sports Olympiad Ltd (MSO) by setting up a rival company, Brain Games Network plc (BGN), without their knowledge and using £50,000 of MSO Ltd money to do so. Levy further alleged that Keene changed his story several times as to the purpose of the payment and the reasons why the new company had been set up. He complained that shares in the new company were held by Keene and an associate (Don Morris) but not by the company for which they had been supposed to be working, nor any of its directors other than themselves. Levy wrote:

As one would expect, our original investors were equally astounded at the news and extremely angry at Keene. They had by now invested £1.5 million (approximately $2.25 million at that time) partly or largely on the basis of their faith in Keene and myself. Now they had learned that one of their two key consultants, the one with money-raising skills, had been working to set up a rival company.

Nothing, however, was proven against Keene (who had swiftly paid an identical sum, i.e. £50,000 to MSO, making the subsequent explanation that this constituted a personal loan from himself) and his new company went on to organise the world championship match later that same year. (It was at this time that Private Eye started referring to him as "The Penguin", a nickname he had first acquired in 1966.)

Levy further criticised Keene for selling three of his own companies to BGN for £220,000 despite their being "virtually worthless". The three companies had between them "a total capital and reserves of only £2,300". At much the same time, according to Levy, BGN purchased a web site and two domain names from Chess and Bridge Limited. However, they made the purchase in two stages. The first of these stages was its sale to Giloberg Finance Limited, owned by Keene's associate Alan Lubin: the second was the immediate sale of the same items, by Giloberg, to BGN. The first sale was for approximately £60,000 (in fact $100,000) and the second was for £290,000, hence making Giloberg "an instant profit of approximately £230,000" and raising the question of why BGN should have paid a sum much greater than the original vendors considered the items were worth.

BGN collapsed in controversial circumstances. Shareholders were unhappy that sums amounting to at least £675,000 had been paid to directors in "fees and payments" despite the company swiftly becoming insolvent. Investors were also unhappy that Keene and Lubin had acquired 88% of the company "for a song" even though the remaining 12% had been sold for around £3 million.

During the course of the 2000 Braingames World Championship Keene was accused of heavy-handed behaviour in having journalist John Henderson removed from the press room with the assistance of bouncers.

Korchnoi
Viktor Korchnoi alleged that when acting as his second in the 1978 World Championship match, Keene broke his contract by writing a book about the match (which appeared three days after the match finished) having specifically signed an agreement "not to write, compile or help to write or compile any book during the course of the match". Korchnoi commented: "Mr Keene betrayed me. He violated the contract. It was clear that while Mr Keene was writing one book and then another, Mr Stean was doing his work for him."

Attempts to defend Keene were rebutted by Michael Stean's mother, who stated that she was in a position to know what was in Keene's contract since she herself had typed it. Keene, she claimed, had signed this despite having already negotiated a contract with Batsford to write a book about the match. She described "a premeditated and deliberate plan to deceive" and noted that Keene's conduct had come under suspicion during the match.

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 page 1 of 77; games 1-25 of 1,909  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. N Totton vs Keene 0-1381960Bromley tourneyE00 Queen's Pawn Game
2. Keene vs J N Sugden  1-0241960Match game 8B90 Sicilian, Najdorf
3. Keene vs J N Sugden 1-0261960Dulwich CollegeA12 English with b3
4. H T Jones vs Keene  0-1241960Exhibition gameC55 Two Knights Defense
5. Keene vs J N Sugden 1-0191960Dulwich CollegeB98 Sicilian, Najdorf
6. J N Sugden vs Keene  0-1481960MatchD22 Queen's Gambit Accepted
7. J N Sugden vs Keene 0-1341960MatchD22 Queen's Gambit Accepted
8. J N Sugden vs Keene 0-1311960MatchC16 French, Winawer
9. Keene vs J N Sugden 1-0261960Match game, ClaphamA12 English with b3
10. Keene vs J N Sugden 1-0281960Match game 1, ClaphamB23 Sicilian, Closed
11. Keene vs J N Sugden 1-0261961MatchD47 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
12. Keene vs L Bauer  1-0271961Clapham Common CCA70 Benoni, Classical with 7.Nf3
13. S Leff vs Keene 0-1361961Clapham Common CCA20 English
14. J N Sugden vs Keene 1-0261961MatchA55 Old Indian, Main line
15. Keene vs J N Sugden 1-0341961Match game 21, Dulwich CollegeA17 English
16. J Regruto vs Keene  0-1331961Clapham Common CC ChampsA47 Queen's Indian
17. T D Baldwin vs Keene  0-1351961Olympia ExhibitionC17 French, Winawer, Advance
18. G K Sandiford vs Keene 0-1271961Dulwich CollegeB00 Uncommon King's Pawn Opening
19. A Ogus vs Keene  ½-½371961School matchC18 French, Winawer
20. G K Sandiford vs Keene  0-1521961Match, game 5B16 Caro-Kann, Bronstein-Larsen Variation
21. Keene vs J N Sugden 1-0351961OlympiaA67 Benoni, Taimanov Variation
22. J N Sugden vs Keene 0-1301961Match game 6, BeckenhamE40 Nimzo-Indian, 4.e3
23. Keene vs J N Sugden 1-0251961Match game 6, Bognor RegisD43 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
24. Keene vs Orly 1-0101961Clapham Common CCB02 Alekhine's Defense
25. J N Sugden vs Keene 0-1291961MatchE40 Nimzo-Indian, 4.e3
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Aug-13-11  BobCrisp: <Ray>, you'll remember that favour I requested before. Here is a long-forgotten game by Edward Winter that appeared in the May 1976 <BCM> in article called <Certain Irregularities> by the great man himself:

[Event "Casual"]
[Site "London"]
[Date "1974.??.??"]
[White "J S Rubin"]
[Black "E Winter"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. Nf3 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Ne5 Nd7 4. Nc4 Ngf6 5. Nc3 g5 6. Ne2 Bg7 7. g3 b5 8. Na5 Ne5 9. Bg2 h5 10. Rf1 Qd3 11. a4 Qf3 12. Bh1 Qxh1 13. Rxh1 Nf3+ 14. Kf1 Bh3# 0-1

When I previously submitted this game to <cg.com>, it apparently failed the quality-control. Would you use your influence here with the powers-that-be to magnanimously champion the historical value of this game? Even though <Winter> modestly admits the game is <not good (even at twenty seconds per move), with blunders mixing freely with eccentricities>, I don't think he would have kept and published it unless he was secretly proud of it.

Aug-13-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  ray keene: winter game-no reason it shdnt go in

i will try

confirmed zionist? not quite sure what makes you think that-maybe something i said or wrote? cd you let me know what gave that impression- i have also been described as a devout christian -not quite sure what i did to deserve that either!

Aug-13-11  drnooo: perry is at least not an economic maniac, and why call it climate change, why not just climate or mother nature having a climax every day or better yet ahh I have it weather I knew the word would come to me

as for the income tax, soak the rich up a point just enough to keep them happy and investing and make all teachers including chess coaches fess up and show their wares, such as knowing there Canada is on their good days

Aug-14-11  BobCrisp: <winter game-no reason it shdnt go in>

Wow, that was quick! J S Rubin vs E Winter, 1974 I think it fitting that <Winter> now has a level score.

Incidentally, were you responsible for submitting the game J Simpole vs E Winter, 1973?

<confirmed zionist? not quite sure what makes you think that-maybe something i said or wrote? cd you let me know what gave that impression>

Don't you support Israel as a fundamentally Jewish entity? If so, that makes you a confirmed Zionist. It wasn't meant pejoratively.

Aug-14-11
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  ray keene: glad we got the winter game up so quickly-i think julian simpole submitted the game he won with the background -julian is still working on a whole batch of other games of his.

re zionism-i certainly support the right of israel to exist as a state but i wd equally support it if a huge influx of -say- legal immigrant christians converted it democratically into a non jewish state.bit of a theoretical proposition i know! if that make me a confirmed zionist then i am a confirmed zionist. btw one of my closest and oldest friends is lord hardinge of penshusrt whose ancestor-balfour-kicked off israel with his famous declaration!

Aug-14-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  ray keene: typos-corrections: cant see straight in the mornings!

"if that makes me"

and

"lord hardinge of penshurst"

Aug-14-11  BobCrisp: <i think julian simpole submitted the game he won with the background>

At your prompting?

<julian is still working on a whole batch of other games of his.>

<May-16-09

ray keene: julian simpole-the slayer of edward winter-is preparing more of his games which shd soon appear on www.chessgames.com >

That's over 2 years in the preparation. I sense that he's not given the project his undivided attention.

<re zionism-i certainly support the right of israel to exist as a state but i wd equally support it if a huge influx of -say- legal immigrant christians converted it democratically into a non jewish state.bit of a theoretical proposition i know!>

How about a more practical possibility: an influx of returning Palestinians democratically turns it into a non-Jewish state, or even a Muslim state.

What's your position on a two-state solution?

Aug-14-11
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  Dionysius1: <Ray> It seems that many grandmasters play professional poker as well,and I think I've read some of them say they win more money from poker than chess. Are the skills that transferable do you think, and have you ever considered professional poker yourself?
Aug-14-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  ray keene: no- and julian is very thorough-they will appear-he is very proud of his game v winter since its proof that he exists which many have doubted!

i considered that possibility but i suspect there is some clause in the state regulations which makes it impossible ( of course its even more unlikely than an influx of christians!

poker-sorry-no interest-only game i can play is chess!

Aug-14-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  ray keene: <bobcrisp> not that i mind but you seem to have a lot of sympathy for young ed winter-also you have no bio-and your name is oddly hibernian-crisp-deep and crisp and even -snow-winter? i often think in another universe young ed and i cd have been friends-so if you have a hot ( or cold ) line to him do say hello!
Aug-14-11
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  ray keene: wd perry for president and bachmann for veep do for obama? i am not a us citizen so have no vote-just interested in american views-some of my us friends say perry is "awesome." very interested in knowing what people think!
Aug-14-11  BobCrisp: <Perry> certainly looks and sounds the part, but he hasn't been tested yet so my money is still on <Romney>. If the moderate Mormon gets the nod, then his VP choice would surely be from the Tea Party persuasion.
Aug-14-11
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  Fusilli: <GM Keene> Hard to answer, since Americans hold many views and a good chunk of the public is pretty polarized right now. But a large number of voters consider themselves independent and they are the ones that decide the outcome of elections. The strategic situation right now is that the president is doing everything he can to cater to independent centrists, which runs the risk of alienating his own base (especially the traditional liberal side of the Democratic base, many of whom are angry). On the other hand, you have the Republicans catering to the most extremist side of their party (the Tea Party side), including Romney, who no one would call a moderate if they had heard him at the Republican debates the other day. Whoever wins the Republican primaries will have to switch gears if they want a chance at winning. So far, the president (with widespread liberal discontent and all) is probably winning a second term.
Aug-14-11  BobCrisp: I'm not sure where the link between my appreciating <Winter>'s work and knowing/being him comes from.

<i often think in another universe young ed and i cd have been friends>

I've thought the same myself. It's also a sentiment expressed at the end of <Kane and Abel> by <Jeffrey Archer>. Unfortunately, he living in Switzerland and you in London, it seems unlikely you'll inadvertently become trapped in a lift together, to emerge as bosom buddies.

Maybe the root of the problem is that <Winter> in his cloistered, scrupulous, bookish way doesn't understand what it takes to be an entrepreneur, bon viveur, journalist, TV personality, prolific author, etc..

Aug-14-11  BobCrisp: <Ray>, here's something else you and <Winter> have in common.

Apart from both playing <Simpole>, you've also shared a <Rubin>. Keene vs Rubin, 1978

Aug-14-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  ray keene: <bobcrisp> i am sure you are right

meanwhile i think the perry bachmann alliance is looking more plausible

can the usa survive another obama term?

Aug-14-11  drnooo: my two cents on the perry thing: if Romney starts showing some sparks, and has sense enough to lay it on the line that Obama is worse than bad, that almost singlehandedly is tearing the stars and stripes to tatters, mixing some name calling in with perhaps even a little savage humor at say his golfing and girly baseball tosses, that's it for Perry however

he don't and Perry starts laying it on the line about his spotless economic boom or at least success in Texas, with a very outlined plan of how he would start duplicating across the other 49 states, then its bye bye rommney and hellow Pennsylvania avenue

as for Backman she could fill out either hand nicely in that boys only game of five card stud

whomever Romney is using for a consulting team shuold be dropped like a buzzing firecracker

as for Perry, well whomever he is using, probably just the strong light lancing though a church steeple, he's already out there where the buses don't run, too far for recall.

it does bring religion back into the fray either way with them which will be veddy bloody interesting considering the weird pew that ole Barry has been sitting in the last twenty sum odd years.

Aug-15-11
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  HeMateMe: A lot of points to address in such a debate. But, if you're counting Pounds spent (and lives) remember that if was Dubya, not Obama, that dragged England into the war in Iraq.

Such things are useful to remember when predicting the future actions of world leaders.

Aug-17-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: What would you consider your best positional win?
Aug-17-11  diceman: <ray keene: can the usa survive another obama term?>

Not sure it will survive his first.

Aug-18-11
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  ray keene: <ohiochessfan> best tactical win v kovacevic amsterdam 1973-best positional win: probably v penrose 1970 kovacevic btw was the last man to beat fischer before he went on his world championship rampage flooring everyone in sight
Aug-18-11
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  ray keene: <diceman> i sense little sympathy for your incumbent president here-is that because he is extremely unpopular or do chess players tend towards being republican? i wd say that in the uk the top players are more right wing leaning while the rest tend more to the left.
Aug-18-11
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  HeMateMe: I would venture that the sitting president is being made a scapegoat for the present worldwide sluggish economy. No one person is so powerful that they can immediately alter such a complex problem.

People need a target. When the economy was sluggish under Bill Clinton, people were ready to lynch him for having a tryst with a White House intern. Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed.

I wonder what the true economic makeup is of the chess players who post comments here? My experience with chess players, at local clubs, is that they are not so financially well off. Lower middle class to poor. This isn't really the Republican demographic.

This leads me to believe that some of the people here identify with the GOP because the Republican Party is quicker to blame nationwide economic woes on ethnic minorities. Some chess players feel they themselves would be in better financial shape if the monies spent on the poor were lessened. With that theme, they also have to absorb the whole Republican platform of ideas and policies.

Aug-18-11
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  OhioChessFan: <HMM> I would guess not once did you appeal to the worldwide economy when taking shots at Bush. There's a word for people like you, and it starts with an h.
Aug-18-11  diceman: <ray keene: <diceman> i sense little sympathy for your incumbent president here-is that because he is extremely unpopular or do chess players tend towards being republican? i wd say that in the uk the top players are more right wing leaning while the rest tend more to the left.>

I’m not sure folks even know what politics are.
(many conservatives are democrats because they think they are supposed to be) (many are something because of parents/family)

Many are lured by ideas without looking at the results. (sounds nice to “help the poor”, no one looks at the underclass in the ghetto)

Chess by it self seems to be very conservative.
(unless we start “Down Material Assistance” or a “Strong Player Tax“)

<i sense little sympathy for your incumbent president here-is that because he is extremely unpopular>

I don’t think its about being popular.
(Obama received many “gifts” from the American people)

I think its about the concept, if you tell me you can walk on water, there’s greater satisfaction in telling you, you have sunk.

To democrats its about “the leader” to me its about “the people“.

Its also about the response to problems, Obama could have really been something, instead he showed he was just another political hack, and his talk was just talk.

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