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| s4life: <alexmagnus The Austrian (or was it Swiss?) chess federation actually leads statistics about average rating, also gender-wise. It was like 1600 for men and 1450 for women IIRC.> Do you have a link for that?
<alexmagnus: Expected by what? The 1:16 ratio? Based on which formula?> just averaged random sampling, assuming the scores fit a known PDF... at least that's how I'd proceed. |
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Jan-13-09
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| percyblakeney: Some regional differences with regards to women's playing strength compared to men's. In the top 100 in Russia there are no women, while China's top 30 contains seven women, and that would be more if for example Xie Jun was active and Zhu Chen had stayed in the country. Still the top men in China are 2700+ while all women are below 2600. |
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Jan-13-09
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| alexmagnus: <Do you have a link for that?> Different numbers, same concept: here the statistics of the Swiss chess federation: http://www.schachbund.ch/schachspor... <average rating 1754
women 1547
juniors 1562
girls 1470>
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| Jan-13-09 |
| DeltaHawk: <s4life> Right. I have not thought about it that way, but still, it is not true that the 100 worst players are all men. What I am saying is that the top 100 players are almost all men. Judit Polgar is the exception because she is a woman and there is hope for other women that they can be just as good as men. Since the top 100 players are almost all men, that makes their bell curve distribution shift to the right. I don't think the disparity has to do with tail-ended heaviness, but that the distribution is shifted to the right, making men better than women. |
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| Jan-13-09 |
| shintaro go: What if we raise an infant boy and infant girl at the same time, teach them both about chess and have a match of 12 games between them after say 15 years of chess training and lecture. The results would be intriguing although it would be cruel to subject them to "lab-experiment" conditions. But I guess its needed to put a rest to the whole "are men better in chess than women in chess" discussion. |
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Jan-14-09
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| alexmagnus: <shintaro>15 is too little. 30 is better. Note the rating statistics I posted: girls vs, juniors diffrenece is by far not as big as women vs all players. |
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Jan-14-09
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| alexmagnus: <Right. I have not thought about it that way, but still, it is not true that the 100 worst players are all men> Actually if it should be explained by statistical phenomena only (like Spiegel wants it), then 100 worst players <must> be all men... |
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| Jan-14-09 |
| DeltaHawk: If the 100 worst people were men, which is not true, then there would be some equality between men and women. |
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| Jan-15-09 |
| s4life: <alexmagnus: <Do you have a link for that?>
Different numbers, same concept: here the statistics of the Swiss chess federation:> So now the swiss are an unbiased representation of the whole chess player population? even a fairly quick look at the data shows this not to be true. women 161
men 4066
How can you talk about averages with only 161 women players? The ratio is way smaller than 1:16 <deltahawk> the majority of the 100 worst players should be male... the data should be somewhere in the FIDE website. I have no time to keep this going though. |
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Jan-15-09
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| alexmagnus: <s4life> The 1:16 ratio was not representative for the whole world too. It was the ratio for <Germany>. Also, FIDE has a rating floor of 1400, so you cannot find 100 worst players there... |
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| Jan-15-09 |
| s4life: <alexmagnus: <s4life> The 1:16 ratio was not representative for the whole world too. It was the ratio for <Germany>.> Size of population of Germany is >>>> than size of population in Switzerland. I'll take the average of the germans any day... I mean how good of an estimator an average of 167 women be for the mean of the whole population? care to answer this one? |
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Jan-15-09
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| alexmagnus: I'd take the German average but unfortunately they don't have a similar statistics page... |
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| Jan-15-09 |
| s4life: <alexmagnus: <If course it would, if the distribution of ELO scores is tail-heavy which it is.> A bell curve has TWO "tails" :). So I don't see how it works.> The rating floor cuts one of the tails. That and the fact that tail-heavy distributions favor large population samples should do well explaining the differences in average -- even in the german case, the averages diverge by few hundred points --. |
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Jan-15-09
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| alexmagnus: <s4life> National federations have no rating floors. |
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Jan-29-09
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| SatelliteDan: Judit, do you read this?
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| Jan-29-09 |
| nhat8121: she doesn't read this. |
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Jan-29-09
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| keypusher: Chabris and Glickman looked at all USCF chessplayers between 1992 and 2004, over 250,000 total. 10.6% of the sample was female. The mean difference between male and female ratings is 450-500 points. After adjusting for age and frequency of play (adjusting for frequency of play seems problematic for me; yes, playing more makes you better, but better players tend to play more) left an average difference of 150-200 points. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.... |
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Mar-05-09
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| KingG: Does anyone know when was the last time Judit played another woman in competitive chess? It would be interesting if Hou Yifan or Koneru Humpy got strong enough that it would be worthwhile organizing a match with Polgar. I don't know what the point of these 'women's world championships' is when everyone knows who the best female player is, and she's so far ahead of everyone else that she doesn't even bother playing them. |
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Mar-05-09
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| alexmagnus: <J.Polgar's last game against a woman>: I may have missed something, but looks like it was Xie Jun vs Judit Polgar, 2001 |
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| Mar-05-09 |
| volvak: What was her performance rating at the Olympiad? |
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| Mar-05-09 |
| volvak: I think that was the last time I saw polgar play last year. |
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Mar-05-09
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| KingG: <alexmagnus> Thanks! A rather disappointing game though. |
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| Apr-14-09 |
| Katu: Finally I found the photo I seen in a magazine. That's why I put up my question before. http://zegorz.uw.hu/scan.jpg |
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May-05-09
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| HeMateMe: I'd like to see her play a match against one of the new young stars,like Yifan, or humpy. I don't think it will happen unless serious money is involved. Not sure if she generates enough interest for a company to bankroll a match. It would be done, of course, for the free publicity for the sponsor, i.e., when IBM bankrolled deep thought vs. Kasparov. She seems to be in semi retirement, gonna spend more quality time with her kids. |
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| Jun-20-09 |
| ex0duz: I really miss her participation at super gm events. I hope you and your family are doing well Judit. Her, along with Kasparov retiring has left a pretty big hole in the chess world, one that i don't think will be filled any time soon, if ever :( |
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