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The great traditional tournament at Wijk aan Zee, Netherlands (with round 5 in Hilversum and round 10 in Groningen) 13-28 January 2018 featured Carlsen, Caruana, Giri, Hou Yifan, Jones, Karjakin, Kramnik, Mamedyarov, Matlakov, So, Svidler, Wei Yi, Adhiban and Anand. The time control was 100 minutes for the first 40 moves, 50 more minutes for move 60, then 15 more minutes till the end of the game, with 30 seconds added per move from move 1. Chief organizer: Jeroen van den Berg. Chief arbiter: Pavel Votruba. Magnus Carlsen won for the 6th time after 9/13 and then beating Giri in the Tata Steel (Blitz Tiebreak) (2018) on 28 January. Elo 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4
1 Carlsen 2834 * ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 ½ ½ ½ 1 ½ 1 1 1 9
2 Giri 2752 ½ * 1 1 ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 1 1 9
3 Kramnik 2787 ½ 0 * ½ 1 ½ 0 1 1 ½ 1 1 1 ½ 8½
4 Mamedyarov 2804 ½ 0 ½ * ½ ½ ½ 1 1 ½ 1 ½ 1 1 8½
5 Anand 2767 ½ ½ 0 ½ * ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 1 1 ½ 1 8
6 So 2792 0 ½ ½ ½ ½ * ½ ½ 1 1 ½ ½ 1 1 8
7 Karjakin 2753 ½ ½ 1 ½ ½ ½ * ½ ½ ½ 1 ½ ½ ½ 7½
8 Svidler 2768 ½ ½ 0 0 ½ ½ ½ * ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 6
9 Wei Yi 2743 ½ ½ 0 0 ½ 0 ½ ½ * 1 ½ ½ ½ ½ 5½
10 Jones 2640 0 ½ ½ ½ 0 0 ½ ½ 0 * ½ ½ 1 ½ 5
11 Caruana 2811 ½ ½ 0 0 0 ½ 0 ½ ½ ½ * ½ ½ 1 5
12 Matlakov 2718 0 0 0 ½ 0 ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ * ½ 1 5
13 Adhiban 2655 0 0 0 0 ½ 0 ½ ½ ½ 0 ½ ½ * ½ 3½
14 Yifan Hou 2680 0 0 ½ 0 0 0 ½ 0 ½ ½ 0 0 ½ * 2½
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FIDE: https://ratings.fide.com/tournament...Previous: Tata Steel Masters (2017). Next: Tata Steel Masters (2019). See also Tata Steel Challengers (2018)
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Feb-14-18
 | | Richard Taylor: <AylerKupp: <Richard Taylor> With regards to you being addressed as <Dick Taylor>, rejoice. It's better than being addressed as <AylerKrapp>. But I don't really know, You Tell Me ...
As far The List, I'm thinking of having t-shirts made that read ""TI;dr offender". What do you think? However, shouldn't that be "TI;dnr offender"? Again, You Tell Me ... Now, if you excuse me, I'm going back to finish my breakfast madelaines.> Ah! A breakfast a la Proustian madelaines! And you could have been called Ayler or Adolf Krupp, no? The T shirt is an idea....indeed...would the great tpstar enter into negotiations? He I see talks about "the peace-loving nation of Israel" !! ...something re which I have to turn away from (it has to be a cynical joke or some fantasy of The Fishman), but that said, what happened to Comrade Acirce? I concurred with some of his views, but he was very intense, not only re politics but re chess and so on.... It seems that both the very intense on either side of the general political divide move to very unremitting positions... Oops, I'm going all almost rational, it wont last: I will soon forget what I was talking about, all may relax... It may seem irrelevant, but it is very hot and humid over here. Fruit flies spoil fruit, they are hard to destroy, really annoying things....Better than all the snakes they are finding in Aussie....I've never been to Aussie...Should I go one day...?...Does this have a bearing on anything? I see that Prince Harry was almost bitten by a vicious Shetland pony (Shetland I think are the Northenmost Scottish Islands, the Faroes, further north are under the aegis of Denmark...Warren Mitchell as Alf argued that the Scots were a bunch of, well, that England was well rid of them, and he hankered for Edward the Second I (or was it the Second Edward?) think it was...the 'Hammer of the Scots' who is seen in a scene in 'Braveheart' throwing a young man (who advocates a soft line re the Scots and is a bit of a mamsey boy...throwing him with one swift swerve out a castle window to his death...wonderful scene... I see it was very cold in Scotland though...Our opposition PM in waiting so to speak, has resigned...Obama is to visit, it seems, good old NZ in about a month....Trump may follow suit. I mean...he may visit also...although this hasn't been confirmed... I wonder if Adolf is still a popular name in Germany? I also often become concerned by speculations (or my own surmisals) if (or whether or not) Trump suffers from piles? He was not insane but declared close to obese....He could see a Proctologist if the positive is the case...and BP might be able to convey to His Highness the need for more fruit and so on...and plenty of exercise...water...but not too much...less twittering...Of course he may not suffer from piles... Tata Steel... |
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Feb-14-18
| | Richard Taylor: < zanzibar: The very end of the 2014 exchange:
<jbc>
Wesley So (kibitz #163220)
<Susan Polgar>
Wesley So (kibitz #163224) >
I didn't even know she was a member here.
That a pity that a lot of stuff re Wesley So and Susan Polgar meant she left. We don't necessarily have to show respect to GMs etc but we should respect people as people. It seems from Susan Polgar's reply that he had referred to some libel action or something. Those things are for courts or others and are not really relevant unless we are talking about something quite...I don't know, something relevant to an ethical issue but in that case also it is the slide toward the personal that is problematic... A pity in any case as she and her sisters were formidable chess players and Wesley So, all joking aside, is one of the great players also, and seems a very nice young man. I am not religious as such but I like that he refers to God when he wins etc so this means in a way he seems more humble without being too much that way... <acirce> had strong political opinions but you cant get into the kind of unremitting stances he used to...I am critical of Israel but I would discuss the Israel-Palestine as objectively as I could...o.k. we have our moments of passion...but I recall once talking on here to an Israeli about all the issues and I agreed with some of what he had to say, and also I understood what motivated Israel's formation and so on... That debate gets mixed up with anti-Semitism unfortunately. Someone who is critical of Zionism though, is not necessarily anti-Semitic. Dr Oliver Sachs and his family were probably, if not opposed to Zionism (they had Zionist meetings at the Sack's house)* but I think were opposed to the more extremist views...Sacks as far as I know (although Jewish) was not keen on Zionism... But that kind of thing can occur and hopefully shouldn't cause too much friction. *This is in his book 'Uncle Tungsten' |
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Feb-14-18
 | | Check It Out: <tpstar: Greetings, name players! We have so much to discuss here! ;>D> I love the chess, but the veiled antagonism contained in these seemingly friendly words with smiley emoticon is so transparent. Get to your point. Speak up or shut up. You are a doctor for god sake; be clear. Congratulations Carlsen! |
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Feb-14-18
| | Richard Taylor: < tpstar: These Tata Steel (2018) games demonstrate TACTICS: > Yes. I solved or resolved most of those and they are all beautiful. But the Jones one I got but missed the way it was actually played out and I missed the Anand one and, even though I think I saw the trap last time I fell into it (mentally, so to speak). But Anand's move is beautiful indeed! One of those to be in the text books. But they were all good. Indeed we are all forgetting in the argie bargies that we are here for chess! |
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Feb-14-18
| | Richard Taylor: <Check It Out: <tpstar: Greetings, name players! We have so much to discuss here! ;>D>
I love the chess, but the veiled antagonism contained in these seemingly friendly words with smiley emoticon is so transparent. Get to your point. Speak up or shut up. You are a doctor for god sake; be clear. Congratulations Carlsen!>
Nonsense. Despite the tpstarism, despite he is a sawbones, it was good to see those positions. Doctors never get to the point...who really wants, for example, to know what is really wrong with one?....better to soldier on (esp. at my age).... Could the point be that he just wants to discuss the actual chess itself as played? Perhaps I am naive... |
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Feb-14-18
 | | keypusher: <Greetings, name players! We have so much to discuss here! ;>D> This is the last thing I'll ever say to you, <tpstar>: please seek professional help. |
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| Feb-14-18 | | nok: <I like that he refers to God when he wins etc so this means in a way he seems more humble> He seems a total wacko. |
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| Feb-14-18 | | Kapmigs: Precisely like several inhabitants of his page who make it sound as if Jesus sits beside him whenever he plays (Jesus leaves, however, whenever Carlsen is the one across the board) |
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| Feb-14-18 | | Marmot PFL: <Precisely like several inhabitants of his page who make it sound as if Jesus sits beside him whenever he plays (Jesus leaves, however, whenever Carlsen is the one across the board)> Jesus was busy that week helping the Eagles win the super Bowl. |
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| Feb-14-18 | | Absentee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he-... |
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Feb-14-18
 | | AylerKupp: <Richard Taylor> He I see talks about "the peace-loving nation of Israel"> I think that every country can legitimately say that they are peace-loving and that they want peace. But they all want peace on their terms, and that's where the conflicts arise. As far as Adolf still being a popular name in Germany, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't even legal. You might be able to get away with "Adolfo" if you are of Spanish or Italian descent, but maybe that's about all. And, speaking of "Adolf" and "peace" (you knew that there had to be a connection, didn't you?) I remember a TV show many, many years ago (it might even have been in black and white) where an actor was impersonating Adolf Hitler. He was saying "I also want peace in our time. A 'peace' of Austria', a 'peace' of Poland, a 'peace" of Czechoslovakia ..." |
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Feb-14-18
| | AylerKupp: <<nok> He (So) sems a total wacko.> No, he doesn't. Some of his beliefs and opinions may be different than yours or mine, but that doesn't make him even a partial wacko, just different. Some of his more fanatic fans, I don't know. |
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| Feb-14-18 | | jphamlore: Have Carlsen and Nakamura set a record for how many versions of chess one player can defeat the other player? |
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Feb-15-18
| | Richard Taylor: <nok: <I like that he refers to God when he wins etc so this means in a way he seems more humble> He seems a total wacko.> Nonsense. He sounds good. Nothing wrong with him. I don't share his faith, but that doesn't matter. I cant recall him ever claiming God was on his side in a chess sense. He is always polite and fairly upbeat in interviews. Naturally everyone, no matter who they are feels bad losing and that happens with Carlsen when he stuffs up. He throws tantrums but by and large he is still sane... The big Whacko of course was Fischer and there are a number of other "names" who have also qualified. But Wesley So is a great player and still in the running potentially to win the World Championships. |
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Feb-15-18
 | | moronovich: <jphamlore: Have Carlsen and Nakamura set a record for how many versions of chess one player can defeat the other player?> When they play bullit blindfolded,they have ! ;) |
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Feb-15-18
| | Richard Taylor: <<AylerKupp: <Richard Taylor> He I see talks about "the peace-loving nation of Israel">
I think that every country can legitimately say that they are peace-loving and that they want peace. But they all want peace on their terms, and that's where the conflicts arise.> Of course. And the history of Israel like all colonial nations of the West (rather accelerated) is much the same structurally. My way was to understand why they are Israel, the origins etc. Like <acirce> I also (in principle) supported the various radical groups in Palestine etc. Negotiations have rarely worked for either Israel or anyone else in the region. Israel is armed with US military and political backing and has nuclear weapons. Thus the question arises why should any nation impose restrictions on any other nation wanting to have nuclear capability especially if, potentially, that might be a deterent to being invaded as was the experience of Korea, Vietnam, China, and lately Iraq and Afghanistan. They also need a strong military. And the Palestinians have lost their lands so their reactions are understandable. <As far as Adolf still being a popular name in Germany, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't even legal. You might be able to get away with "Adolfo" if you are of Spanish or Italian descent, but maybe that's about all.> I think that in Germany Adolf would still be popular. It is a good name. Sure it has connotations but there is no connections between a name and the person. Hitler had an awful childhood etc as did Fischer. This lead to his neuroses and so on. But that shouldn't deter others from using Adolf as a name. I saw a shop assistant once, she was Indian, and her name tag said, Swastika. That was her first name. And it would have been no good commenting as many in India are as uninformed (or as uninterested in) about European history as many Europeans are about India. I mean mainly younger people perhaps and non historians. And of course Swastika has no real connections with the use the Nazis put it to. Kipling had swastikas on his books way before Hitler and his fellow madmen used that symbol. It means goodness or something like that. <And, speaking of "Adolf" and "peace" (you knew that there had to be a connection, didn't you?) I remember a TV show many, many years ago (it might even have been in black and white) where an actor was impersonating Adolf Hitler. He was saying "I also want peace in our time. A 'peace' of Austria', a 'peace' of Poland, a 'peace" of Czechoslovakia ..."> Was that in Fawlty Towers with John Cleese? He did the 'Don't mention the war one.' Do you think Chamberlain was in cahoots with right wing groups inside Britain? I think the Imperialists including the US were hoping Hitler would destroy the Soviet Union for them. I concur in general with Sven Lindqvist's book 'Exterminate all the Brutes!' That in fact the British, Belgiums, French and others all sought their 'Lebensraum' in Africa and perhaps on the Sea. The German fiasco being the culmination ideologically of the European ideologies, such as the general sense that the 'lower' people could be enslaved or destroyed (as most indigenous people were, or their way of life was destroyed if they weren't exterminated)... etc, and that in general whites were the Masters and so on. Hitler just took the whole thing further...This stimulated or increased the rate that Israel 'built up' and de facto they became almost the Nazis of the Middle East with their belief they were or are the Chosen People (Master Race all over again). So the misery continues and we are all in deep crap as it seems the world is ecologically out of control and so on. Time to dive back into a novel or stories by G G Ballard... |
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Feb-15-18
| | Richard Taylor: J G Ballard... |
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Feb-15-18
| | AylerKupp: <Richard Taylor> I like to discuss things as much as anyone else, but I think that the topics we have been discussing are very off-topic to this tournament's mage. Maybe move it to The Kibitzer's Café ? |
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Feb-15-18
 | | perfidious: Trouble with <AK>'s suggestion is that if this all migrates there, the posts do not count towards one's numbers overall, whereas here, they do--until this whole thread is either censored or the post count is also removed from one's overall totals, a rather pointless exercise, really. |
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| Feb-15-18 | | JimNorCal: <perfidious>: "the posts do not count towards one's numbers overall" Wait. What? How many posts do I need to make before I get a discount at Starbucks or something? |
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Feb-15-18
 | | WannaBe: <JimNorCal> You have 1206... 5K -- $1 StarBux
50K -- $10 StarBux
500K -- $15 StarBux |
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Feb-15-18
| | perfidious: Dang, I have one StarBuck?
As the estimable Dennis Waterman, putative conqueror of So, once crowed in victory: <Woo hoo! woo hoo!> Browne vs D Waterman, 1974 |
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Feb-16-18
| | Richard Taylor: <AylerKupp: <Richard Taylor> I like to discuss things as much as anyone else, but I think that the topics we have been discussing are very off-topic to this tournament's mage. Maybe move it to The Kibitzer's Café ?> You mean you are starting to feel uncomfortable? Just about everything here is off topic. There is no topic, it is more or less trivia about So and Susan Polgar and whether tpstar is bastard or not and so on... But no worries. The Kibitzer Cafe is the rectum of chessgames.com and Rogoff is the waste matter expelled from all the other sites...But no problems. If you want some light relief there is always <Odd Lie> which has some value. There is also one where there is a chess position where no moves have been made and it was a draw. There is a lot of fascinating discussion about this fascinating nothingness. But I forget where that is, I have not doubt there is a way to search for it...number of moves and so on and result.... The Fischer page is full of tedious fanatics of Fischer... THEY'RE ALL BASTARDS OUT THERE!! |
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Feb-16-18
| | AylerKupp: <<Richard Taylor> You mean you are starting to feel uncomfortable? Just about everything here is off topic. I don't think that "uncomfortable", if by that you mean the topic(s) themselves is the right description. This page <does> have a topic, the 2018 Tata Steel tournament, but after the tournament ended the topics discussed started to veer off from the proper topic. And I am as guilty of doing that as anyone else. So my suggestion (just a suggestion, mind you) was more along the lines of discussing any topics that don't have anything to do, even tangentially, to the 2018 Tata Steel tournament, in a more appropriate (or at least less inappropriate) page. That's just being courteous and considerate to those posters who still take this page seriously. Your characterization of the Kibitzer Café as "the rectum of <chessgames.com>" and the Rogoff page as "the waste matter expelled from all the other sites" may be a little extreme, but I can't say that I disagree with you. As far as the Fischer page being full of tedious fanatics of Fischer, that's true also. Just like the Wesley So page is full of tedious fanatics of So. But the same can probably be said to a greater or lesser extent to the pages of other top players, although I seldom frequent them so I don't really know. But as far as "THEY'RE ALL BASTARDS OUT THERE!!", that' not true. Both the Fischer page and the So page have many, the majority in fact, of fans that are level-headed, reasonable, and don't go to ridiculous extremes in their admiration for the player. Unfortunately there seems to be something about chess, or perhaps this site in particular, that seems to attract some strange and extreme people, at least from our perspective. On the other hand, they probably feel similarly about you and I, and I can't say that they are not right. At least about me. |
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Feb-17-18
| | Richard Taylor: <AylerKupp: <<Richard Taylor> You mean you are starting to feel uncomfortable? Just about everything here is off topic....> Good reply Comrade Kupp!
You are right mostly.
The comment at the end is meant to be a joke...it is my 'homage' to Dudley Moore of 'Derek and Clive' (Peter Cook and Dudley Moore)...when they get drunk and get into a lot of crazy stuff, often very very funny but Dudley Moore's was 'They're all c..t's out there!' It was all part of their rather black humour.... I see all is normal in Madland with another shooting at a school...Jesus Christ. [On his list crosses off, which country is it, ah, down in the 'U's, that's it, The United States...(note, don't go there, high proportion of psychotics, no interest in anyone stopping the massacres etc, esp. from the President of course; so, AVOID this place. Safer in South Africa.] |
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