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May-30-05 | | Wilhelm: WordChampeen here is link for the origin of the word 'ajedrez' http://www.elcastellano.org/ajedrez... Chaturanga became chatrang then shatranj then axatraz and finally ajedrez. Jaque mate (check mate) comes from sha mat, and English rook apparently from rukh (rock) which gives castling as enROQUE in Spanish. |
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May-30-05
 | | TheAlchemist: <WorldChampeen> In Italian it's "schacchi" (pronounced skaki - a like in America) |
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May-30-05
 | | Eric Schiller: I think we should all keep in mind that this is an online blog and that the technology, unfortunately, doesn't include a spellchecker. In any case, a great number of Chessgames members are not native speakers of English and there is absolutely no reason to expect a blog to be written exclusively in so-called correct English. As a linguist, I know better than to criticize someone just because their language use is different from mine or from the standards given in the ridiculous books that are used in an attempt to teach some form of standard English. What matters in a blog is content, not form. as long as writers can convey their intended meaning, we shouldn't worry about the other bits. Please remember that English is the messiest language on the planet and that mastering its irregularities and inconsistencies is a task that requires more time than most people can provide. For those who think that learning English is a trivial matter, check out my web page on the top 10 questions to annoy your English teacher with: http://www.ericschiller.com/ling/pa... and some of the other papers at my site.
Meanwhile, let's suggest to our hosts here that they find a way to incorporate both spell checking and automatic translation in this wonderful site. And let's not get down on people who have difficulties mastering and using the mess known as English. |
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May-30-05 | | buscher07: <Eric Schiller>
I have to say that I agree with you. Spelling and grammer are not some people's strong points and we should not fault them for their typos. I am also curious to see if the USCF president is really posting on this website. Furthermore, I believe what Susan and Paul are saying and fully support them. Have a nice day everyone!! :) |
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May-30-05
 | | Eric Schiller: <buscher> I'm pretty sure that USCF officials post directly. Since there is an election going on, they are unhappy to see some much negativity. But I generally agree with Susan too. It is very important to hear from Susan, who is doing all she can to promote chess and make things better for all of us. As a USCF "outsider" I know exactly what she's going through, and how important it is for all of us to support her efforts. That said, I have suggested that Chessgames have a USCF thread so that these matters can be handled in their own threads, and we can get back to admiring Susan's exploits at the chessboard in this section. |
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May-30-05
 | | TheAlchemist: <Eric Schiller>: And I thought I understood English pretty well (though it's not my mother tongue), but looking at your site... I quickly snapped back to reality :-) |
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May-30-05 | | arielbekarov: <To all> How is the best way to
transfer this discussion to "another room"?
I'm afraid that I am causing that this specific topic "a certain level in English usage should be required among officials in USA" takes too much space
as it is primarily of my interest to support Susan Polgar and Paul Truong in their important fight.Nevertheless, it gives a lot to ventilate our thoughts regarding the usage of language-communication in general and as in this example the English language in particular so I would be happy for any suggestion.
This is something that is of our concern as there are few concepts that have such a strong impact on us as
*the word*.
<Eric Schiller> Your way of describing English makes sense,
even though I find it a most beautiful mess. I am aware of the extreem difficulties in English and I keep telling that words like perfect, logic have no place in the structure of any language.
I can imagine that the reading of my long postings is hard to digest. I find it hard myself and I am hesitating about almost every single phrase. Still I am mentioning it as it's not quite clear to me whether you have understood the distinction I make between an official posting signed by the President of USCF and all who are participating on this site.
If we are going to except a posting with such demands in a poor language from a person who sits on a leading position in the most important umbrella organization of chess in USA, I am afraid that we have to deal with this sort of arrogance for still too many years and the art of chess will suffer from it.
Susan Polgar who always writes very well-written postings will,
of course, manage. Though I will never understand why we have so much compassionate feelings for a powerful person like the President of USCF who in a poor way attacks Susan Polgar. I have clearly written that I love the diversity of the present English language and in no way I ask from members in general to write messages that live up to what is called Standard English. This is indeed a life work.
But what is your message for me, who wholeheartedly tries to write as beutifully and accurate as I can in English. I try my best in French and Russian who I spend much time on now, and my teachers wouldn't recognise anything else than my will to master it. What the result will be is another story!
Your signals as a linguist are confusing to me.
I can understand the idea with spell checking but I am very surprised about your "automatic translation" proposal.
Then I prefer to read even a less accurate message by an official in USA and to writing my love-letters in my poor English as it is something that I can stand for. We have machines in chess and it is good,
but G-D forbid in matters of language.
Never I will allow a machine to touch my words.
The content is indeed what it is all about, but shouldn't we strive for
mastering the form so that we then can liberate ourselves like a composer who has to master the form in order to reach out with his content. TaTaTa Taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam
TaTaTa Taaamaaaaaaaaaaaaam
TaTiTa Tam TaTiTa Tam
Tam Tam
Ariel
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May-30-05 | | vonKrolock: Maybe it can be recalled that many great leaders and demagogues from the past (and present) had (have) a very precarious comand of their own first language - and notwhistanding dominated and influenced millions of people with carisma, will, strenght of character etc I tend to believe that my own native language is the hardest to speak, write or hear from those spoken in the major Panamerican countries, and that we brazilians are the only three-linguals in the continent: we must to learn English in order to comunicate with the world, so when we meet the North-Americans, they can speak their own language. As for our Spanish-speaking neighbours (from Mexico to Chile and Argentina): We have to know some Spanish too, because we understand what they spell, but they dont' understand what we spell - the spoken Portuguese is somewhat misterious... |
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May-31-05 | | Plastic Man: Susan P. How do I get my wife to play more chess with me? |
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May-31-05
 | | Susan Polgar: PlasticMan, I just put up your question on my site www.susanpolgar.blogspot.com. I also gave my answer and asked other women to offer their ideas. Good luck!
Susan Polgar
www.SusanPolgar.com
www.susanpolgar.blogspot.com |
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May-31-05 | | WorldChampeen: Those are very noteworthy accomplishments, like Jackie Robinson, etc. when one can overcome prejudices, bigotry to set goals for oneself. |
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May-31-05 | | sxexp1: Susan, thank you for posting
at Chessgames.com in "Zsuzsa Polgar"
I have a friend, Email Chess User
handle of Agt71. She plays Internet
Chess at a well known British site
where Standard Chess is played along
with many other Chess variants. With
minor adjustments this site may just
become the PREMIER area on the
Internet to play Chess.
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Back in November of 2004 when you
were leading the American Women to
a Silver Medal in the 36th Chess
Olympiad in Calvia, Spain, Agt71
was trying to set up a Ladies
Championship at the British site.
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Her aim was to foster more Chess
participation by women. At the
time she had games with the #1 and
#2 females there. These fine women
have since left for unknown reasons
---maybe harassment.
She was also playing and eight-year
-old girl [since turned nine] who has
also left the site. Certain language by
use of abbreviations commonly used in
instant messaging are commonly thrown
around at the forum and Yahoo! group area
where members post. This is not very
conducive for younger players to see.
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The main result of her trying to
promote play at this site by females
was male players trying to join her All
Female Championship. She was severely
chastised at the forum and Yahoo! group
sites for trying to do this.
Let's see: FIDE sanctions separate
male/female events as does USCF and
just about every other Chess association.
Her aim is to promote Chess on a class
basis: Just as age is used, so shall
gender.
One result has been she is no
longer allowed to POST messages either
to the forum or the Yahoo group for this
Internet site.
Other women have left the site and she is
now the top female there in Standard Chess.
One such player, BTW, had the unique
Chess User handle of: Thegreatpolgar. Seems
she revered you so much the handle had to
be hers. She made no secret she was female,
she made no secret she played everyone, and
it was no secret SHE BEAT EVERYONE, too.
Seems this lady plays out of Scandinavia.
Her Chess prowess is greater than my friend
as Tgp was in the Top 10 of just about every
variant at this site before she unceremoniously
Resigned ALL of her games and left. Maybe
harassment again, I do not know for sure.
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Back in November you and the American team
were basking in the glory after Calvia. My friend
was hospitalized for nervous exhaustion as a
direct result of what I just related to you.
This is one reason I am where I am with the
Chess organization I am now a part of. I am
here to help her out.
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All this prelude for one little question:
When she returns from a long vacation at the
end of June, I will show her this post---do
you have any advice or words of encouragement
you would care to add to it?
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Thank you,
Molly S,
KV Chess Correspondent
chesspresssyndicate@yahoo.com
Kxe6s VEREIN Chess Society
PO Box 2066
Chapel Hill, North Carolina 27515-2066
United States of America
KV Control #203003310505
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Jun-01-05 | | Plastic Man: Thanx for putting up my question Zsuzsa-I'll use the ideas. Judit kicked butt in games 1 & 17 of the M tel Masters. |
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Jun-01-05 | | alexapple: Hi,Susan!
I cannot logon to ur Blog site--www.susanpolgar.blogspot.com Is there anyone have the same experiece? |
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Jun-01-05
 | | Joshka: <alexapple> I'm having the same problems, cannot log on. But since I use a Macintosh this is common for me, I cannot log on to other blog sites as well...this forum is good enough for me anyway:-) |
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Jun-01-05
 | | Annie K.: Try selecting "Other" instead of "Blogger" when you want to post. That might work. |
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Jun-01-05
 | | Susan Polgar: Alex and Josh, I don't know why. Here is the link again www.susanpolgar.blogspot.com. I know someone told me that my computer needs to accept cookies (whatever that means). I would love to have your feedbacks. Best wishes,
Susan Polgar
www.SusanPolgar.com
www.susanpolgar.blogspot.com
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Jun-01-05
 | | Susan Polgar: sxexp1, my only comment is enjoy chess. I still enjoy this game very much even though I am no longer active as I used to be. Chess is great and can be very enjoyable whether if you are 5 or 95. Best wishes,
Susan Polgar
www.SusanPolgar.com
www.SusanPolgar.blogspot.com
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Jun-01-05
 | | Susan Polgar: www.blogger.com is another way to get in. It is the same company. Best wishes,
Susan Polgar
www.SusanPolgar.com
www.SusanPolgar.blogspot.com
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Jun-01-05 | | Chris00nj: I don't have a problem with getting to your blog. Mine works too. http://chesspundit.blogspot.com/ |
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Jun-01-05
 | | Susan Polgar: Thanks Chris. I just posted about the issue of Double Standard in Chess. This is about the comments that were recently made by WC Kramnik. It was also discussed in my column on chesscafe.com yesterday. How long can a WC use the excuse of fatigue? The World Championship is simply a mess today. Best wishes,
Susan Polgar
www.SusanPolgar.com
www.SusanPolgar.blogspot.com
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Jun-01-05 | | Chris00nj: I think a match that ended 7 months ago is a pretty poor excuse too. Your little sister was playing above her old level 5 months after having a baby. It's not just the single event of having a baby that would affect play, but the many sleepless nights that follow, ruining any attempt to get into a good preparation routine. Nonetheless she was still 4= at Corus. The truth is that is he less deserving of his "world champion" title every day. There are a couple people who would most likely beat him in a match, namely Anand & Topalov. |
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Jun-01-05 | | sxexp1: ASSISTANCE
and CLARIFICATION
Zsuzsa Polgar answers:
"Alex and Josh....I know someone
told me that my computer needs
to accept cookies (whatever that
means). I would love to have your
feedbacks."
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From this URL at the University of
California, Berkeley:
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/Teachin... Full URL:
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/
TeachingLib/Guides/Internet/
Glossary.html
Remember to type or Copy/Paste
into the Address Bar without
any spaces.
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This URL renders this definition
of a COMPUTER COOKIE:
"COOKIE A message from a
WEB SERVER computer, sent to
and stored by your browser
on your computer. When your
computer consults the
originating server computer,
the cookie is sent back to
the server, allowing it to
respond to you according to
the cookie's contents. The
main use for cookies is to
provide customized Web pages
according to a profile of your
interests. When you log onto a
"customize" type of invitation
on a Web page and fill in your
name and other information,
this may result in a cookie on
your computer which that Web
page will access to appear to
"know" you and provide what
you want. If you fill out these
forms, you may also receive
e-mail and other solicitation
independent of cookies."
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Other citations can be read by
using GOOGLE [there is NO OTHER
search engine]. Type these words
into the Search Bar:
cookies computer term
This gives 1,820,000 citations
in 0.04 seconds.
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SHOULD ANYONE FEEL THERE EXISTS
A SEARCH ENGINE COMPARABLE TO
GOOGLE, consider this topic:
Zsuzsa Polgar
and the following results:
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Search Engine---Cites--Time/Secs
GOOGLE---------56,800----0.14
YAHOO----------29,200----0.34
ALTAVISTA------29,200----1.00
LYCOS-------------190----1.00+
MYEXCITE-----------39----1.50+
Everybodies favorite Search Engine
de jure, FIREFOX [from Mozilla] gave
this: "Your search--Zsuzsa Polgar
--did not match any documents"
No luck with just "Polgar" either;
not only does 'Zsuzsa' not exist,
but Judit and Zsofia don't either
--HA! Sorry Zsuzsa, FIREFOX doesn't
know you or your sisters. The
service did find Robert Fischer,
but none of the five [5!!] cites
were THE Robert Fischer. Although
some of the SIDEBAR ads that pay
for FIREFOX mentioned that I could
bid on FISCHER memorabilia on Ebay
---go figure!
Before someone answers this post
and informs me I did the FIREFOX
search incorrectly, I will say
that all FIREFOX searches were
done using Mozilla.org.
Otherwise, FIREFOX defaults to,
you guessed it, GOOGLE, for all
other WEB searches.
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I will say that ALTAVISTA has some
"learning" to do. The web ad for
them states:
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"AltaVista provides the
most comprehensive search
experience on the Web!"
Seems ALTAVISTA may default to
Yahoo! for its WEB searches.
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This should help...chessically,
Molly S, KV Chess Correspondent
chesspresssyndicate@yahoo.com
KV Control #121004010605
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Jun-01-05 | | buscher07: <Susan Polgar> Hello, I was wondering if you know where I can locate information for your National All Girls Tournament in Arizona this August, such as where the tournament will be held or other useful information pertaining to the tournament. I look forward to participating in your tournament.
Thanks in advance for your help. :)
I would also like to welcome Mr. Truong to this site. Have a great day!! :)
Blythe Buscher
buscher07@yahoo.com
camel10@hotmail.com |
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Jun-01-05
 | | Susan Polgar: Dear Blythe,
The registration will take place in the late afternoon / evening of August 6. The opening ceremony will begin at 9 AM on the 7th. The first round will be at 11 AM on each day. The time control is 90/30. The tournament will end on the 12th and the closing ceremony will take place a few hours after the last round. I do not know the exact schedule of the three additional events. You can leave on a late flight on the 12th or the morning flight on the 13th. You can view the rules here http://susanpolgar.com/polgarchess/.... Best wishes,
Susan Polgar
www.SusanPolgar.com
www.SusanPolgarFoundation.org |
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