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| Feb-18-16 | | morfishine: <MarmotPFL> The term "rating inflation" is misleading since the term is associated to monetary inflation, which is caused by an artificial increase in the money supply brought on by printing fake, or fiat money. Ratings can go up and not necessarily be "inflated" and a true strength, relative, is preserved I could care less about numbers
I like results
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| Feb-18-16 | | greed and death: Elo isn't meant to be a measure of absolute strength, but a measure of strength relative to other players. Therefore, a 100-point Elo gap between two players in 1970 shows a strength difference equivalent to a 100-point gap between two players today. The actual numerical value of the Elo rating means nothing unless compared with another's Elo over the same time period, making comparisons between two players from different eras based on Elo meaningless. |
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| Feb-18-16 | | Shams: <Therefore, a 100-point Elo gap between two players in 1970 shows a strength difference equivalent to a 100-point gap between two players today.> I don't think this follows at all. |
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| May-11-16 | | zanzibar: Reading the above, I think Kholmov was a more colorful character than the <CG> portrait portrays: http://cdn.simplesite.com/i/46/c1/2... . |
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| May-13-17 | | gars: It seems Kholmov was a very strong player who had very few chances of playing outside the URSS. Is there any book about his games? Anyway, my congratulations on his birthday. |
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May-13-17
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| May-13-17 | | morfishine: Kholmov was an excellent player and of course we remember his game vs Fischer where Kholmov played his famous preparation, then saw it backfire in his face: Kholmov vs Fischer, 1967 Oh well, can't win'em all
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May-13-17
 | | Fusilli: One of my favorite old Soviet school players. Forceful, dynamic play. Here's Kholmov taking care of teenager GK:
Kholmov vs Kasparov, 1978 |
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May-13-17
| | Fusilli: Anyone else out there who beat both Fischer and Kasparov and was not himself a world champion? Ah, yeah, Larsen and Korchnoi. But Kholmov played Fischer only twice, and Kasparov only once. |
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Jul-03-17
 | | Honza Cervenka: <Petrosianic: Chicks? Do Russians say "chicks"? To describe girls, I mean.> They use for girls of this kind a word "тёлка" (tyelka or rather tyolka) which literally means "calf" or very young "heifer". |
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| Jul-03-17 | | hemy: <Honza Cervenka><They use for girls of this kind a word "tyolka"> This word is in use in a newer Russian language.
In 1951 they used a word "devki" (girls,chicks). The story mentioned by <Caissanist> included in Russian version published on http://www.e-reading.club/chapter.p.... This is exactly how it should be translated: "We sit, which means Tarasov, Nezhmetdinov and I, we drink, then two girls (chicks) came." |
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Jul-03-17
| | Honza Cervenka: <hemy> Oh, I see. I missed original text in Russian, which is very interesting. Thanks. |
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| Mar-11-20 | | hemy: Information about Kholmov's conditional disqualification after the 2nd Soviet Spartakiad (Moscow, August 1959) in contemporary Lithuanian newspaper "Draugas" , January 22, 1960, p. 2: "The Lithuanian chess master (Russian) R. Kholmov was fined for unsportsmanlike conduct displayed at the Soviet Union Spartakiad.
He was drunk during the Spartakiad and was removed from the chess squad by the heads of the Lithuanian delegation. At the meeting that was held in Lithuanian Sports Societies and Organizations office, members of the Presidium of the Sports Council, as well as representatives of chess players, strongly criticized R. Kholmov, who, according to "Sports", did not work and systematically was drunk. Kholmov was asked to be disqualified for one year for this, but it was later decided to impose a conditional disqualification for one year only.
It was decided that R. Kholmov had already been punished by not giving him the title of grand master." Results of Kholmov on 1st board in this tournament - 4/6.
http://al20102007.narod.ru/team_ch/... |
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Mar-11-20
 | | perfidious: <hemy, I have read elsewhere that Kholmov had three suspensions for misconduct; is this true? |
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| Mar-11-20 | | hemy: <perfidious> I'm not sure about the number of suspensions of Kholmov. I heard from other Lithuanian team members about him frequently having problems because of excessive alcohol consumption. I personally knew other Lithuanian team member, 3 times Lithuanian champion, Leonid P Maslov, who was super heavy drinker.
My post about Leonid Maslov:
Maslov (kibitz #17) |
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| Mar-17-20 | | hemy: <perfidious>
<hemy, I have read elsewhere that Kholmov had three suspensions for misconduct; is this true?>I found about one more instance of Kholmov's suspension in the article about Lithuanian 1961 chess championship in the "Draugas", May 12, 1961, p. 2: V. Mikėnas came out the winner in 1961 Lithuanian Chess championship.
He scored 9.5 points out of 13. He was followed by I. Vistaneckis and D. Lapienis (8.5 each). Former Lithuanian champion, Russian grand master R. Kholmov was not playing in these competition. Recently he again started to disregard the decisions of the Lithuanian sports management.
He is therefore disqualified for half a year. |
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May-13-20
 | | eternaloptimist: I think that Kholmov was probably a top 25 player of all time until at least 1990 or so. He was definitely a force to be reckoned w/ on the chessboard! |
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| May-14-20 | | Benzol: <perfidious> Alan I originally posted the following on the Tarasov page back in 2010 but it might shed a bit of light on your inquiry about Kholmov so I've reposted here. <An excerp from Genna Sosonko's book "Smart Chip from St.Petersburg". Sosonko was interviewing Ratmir Holmov who had this to say
'So it turned out that Bronstein played a World Championship match in '51 and I was disqualified in the same year. For what? We were sitting around at a tournament, that's Tarasov, Nezhmetdinov and me, drinking, and two chicks came up to us. Well, Rashid was kind of in the way, he was about fifteen years older than Tarasov and me. You turn off the tape recorder now, turn it off, can you imagine if my wife reads this... 'Anyway, basically, Rashid was flushed, he was drunk, of course, he went out to the balcony and started throwing crockery off it - vases and plates. When Nezhmetdinov drank he had all kinds of psychoses, he'd lie down under a tram or do some other dumb thing. On this occasion nothing would have happened, other than the noise of the plates, but Kotov had to stick his nose into it. He started asking questions and whatever. There was an uproar, and the police came. To cut a long story short, they summoned all three of us to Moscow, to see Rodionov, who was chairman of the Sports Committee. Nezhmetdinov grovelled before him and they decided to pardon him as he was a party member, but Tarasov and I were disqualified for a year. They also cancelled my stipend, which I received as a member of the national team.'> |
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May-16-23
 | | fredthebear: About Kholmov: https://dgriffinchess.wordpress.com... |
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| Sep-24-24 | | ewan14: How can the list of notable tournaments not include Ratmir coming 1st equal with Spassky and Stein in the genuine 1963 USSR zonal championship. ? He was robbed of an interzonal place by the Soviet chess authorities ! Did Korchnoi blame Smyslov ? |
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| Sep-24-24 | | Olavi: Kholmov wasn'r robbed, there was always going to be a separate zonal, then reduced to seven players by Smyslov's connections... |
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Sep-24-24
| | perfidious: What was euphemistically referred to in one of Korchnoi's game collections as 'internal manoeuvring'. |
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| Sep-25-24 | | ewan14: Dear Olavi
What is your source for " there was always going to be a separate zonal " ? It makes it sound like the 1975 tournament Karpov won after Portisch had finished first or the major tournament Lasker won |
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| Sep-25-24 | | Olavi: Dear ewan
innumerous statements by players who were involved, starting with Korchnoi's memoirs. Well contemporaneous sources, it's true I don't have Shakhmatny i SSSR here, but let's see, Schach-Echo 21/1963 reports about the semifinals of the championship and it says a placement in the first eight in the championship earns a place in the zonal, to be played in February 1964. But in fact they quote from the Neue Zürcher Zeitung. What is your source for "He was robbed of an interzonal place by the Soviet chess authorities !" |
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| Sep-25-24 | | ewan14: Primarily Korchnoi's book |
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