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Aug-09-04
 | | BishopBerkeley: Tolkien's letter to the Nazis
I wonder if the Tolkien fans on this board have ever read a letter Tolkien is said to have written to the government of Nazi Germany, which seemed to be anxious to bring out a translation of his work. Here is but one source (of many) for that letter. As I understand it, it is generally accepted to be authentic: http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue260/l...
When asked by the Nazi government in 1938 to provide evidence of "arisch" (Aryan) parentage before a German translation of The Hobbit was published, Tolkien responded: "Personally, I should be inclined to refuse ... and let a German translation go hang. ... [I] should regret giving any colour to the notion that I subscribed to the wholly pernicious and unscientific race-doctrine." And later, in a direct letter to the Nazi government: "If I am to understand that you are enquiring whether I am of Jewish origin, I can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people ... if impertinent and irrelevant inquiries of this sort are to become the rule in matters of literature, then the time is not far distant when a German name [like Tolkien] will no longer be a source of pride." Go JRR!!
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Aug-09-04
 | | BishopBerkeley: <Cyphelium> Thanks for the reference to the Stellan Brynell message board. I'll go over and have a look! (: BB :) |
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Aug-09-04
 | | BishopBerkeley: <ray keene> [reposted] Your opinion on the "Grandmaster" title?
I recently attended a lecture by GM Alex Yermolinsky in which he mentioned (if I understood him correctly) that the value of the Grandmaster title had significantly diminished over the course of the last century. When I look at the history of the title as I understand it, it seems that he is obviously correct: ""By 810 [A.D.] the top chessplayers in the world were known and recognized and all had sponsors by powerful caliphs. In fact, the word Grandmaster was introduced by caliph al-Ma'mun in 819 AD." http://www.geocities.com/siliconval... At this timeline, it is said that Caliph Al-Ma'mun gave 4 players the Grandmaster title in 819 AD: http://www.chessworld.org/timeline.... SBC's site mentions that, in 1914, five Grandmasters were proclaimed by the Czar: "Playing chess for money gained a bit more repute after the St. Petersburg Tournament of 1914 when Czar Nicholar II proclained the original Grandmasters - Capablanca, Lasker, Tarrasch, Marshall and Alekhine. http://www.angelfire.com/games/SBCh... And the timeline mentioned earlier says that in the first FIDE list of Grandmasters (issued in 1949), 17 Grandmasters were listed. http://www.chessworld.org/timeline.... So, we've gone from four Grandmasters to five to 17 to the very large number we have today. My question for you Raymond Keene is, do you think the Grandmaster title should be redefined to diminish the number who hold it? Or do you think some new title should be devised that would play the role of the old Grandmaster title in designating (say) the top ten players in the world? Thank you in advance for your response.
A question for anyone: do we know how many Grandmasters there are in the world today? (: BB :) |
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Aug-09-04
 | | BishopBerkeley: <Cyphelium> Thanks again for directing me to the Stellan Brynell message board! I posted one proposal for a solution to the title problem over there. (: BB :) |
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Aug-09-04
 | | ray keene: many questions
there is inflation in everything-the danger of trying to think of a better title than grandmaster is that you end up with something ruritanianly ridiculous! in comparison with the number of people playing chess there are probably very few grandmasters.in any case there is already a titular hierarchy which goes like this: world champion
ex world champion
challenger or vice world champion as the spanish sometimes say
world championship candidate
grandmaster
mortensen -keene-thanks but i can think of some other games v mortensen which i enjoyed more! tolkien-means brave and bold in middle high german or carolingian french or something like that-toll/kuhn modern german equivalent-wow what a letter-he really socked it to the nazis-wonderful-he does mention chess in the lord of the rings-anyone know where? i think its the greatest book ever written in english. shakespeare wrote plays which is something different. one or two of my literary favourites while on the topic shakespeare-closest to God that i can imagine
marlowe especially tamberlaine the great and faustus
keats on first looking into chapmans homer
paradise lost 1 and 2
i wrote to tolkien inviting him to come to my school dulwich college and lecture on anything -he wrote back saying no but at least i got an elvish signature out of it!! |
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Aug-09-04
 | | BishopBerkeley: Incidentally, the home in which Tolkien "wrote The Hobbit and most of The Lord of the Rings [20 Northmoor Road], is up for sale" Estimated cost: around £1.5 million (approx US $2.5 million) http://www.tolkiensociety.org/
The home itself:
http://www.tolkienhouse.com/
and
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/timmor... (: BB :) |
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Aug-09-04
 | | BishopBerkeley: Nifty sweeping view of Tolkien's house & surroundings If you're on a fast connection (or if you're patient), let this site load, then click-hold-and-drag within the window to sweep back & forth & up & down around Tolkien's house & surroundings. Quite nice! http://www.chem.ox.ac.uk/oxfordtour... |
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Aug-09-04
 | | BishopBerkeley: <ray keene> Thanks for your response. Do you have an all-time favorite Sicilian game in the database that you've played (as Black)? Thanks in advance.
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Aug-09-04
 | | ray keene: black sicilians-v adams and mccurdy are quite fun |
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Aug-09-04
 | | ray keene: oh and <BB> thank you your holiness for those marvellous tolkien shots-when you look at his study with a blazing log fire you realise what being a hobbit was all about-and <fred
lennox> did you get to read beowulf and sir gawain and the greene knight? a couple of musts in my view for any chessplayer!! |
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Aug-09-04 | | gollum70: <Mr Keene> If you haven't, you should read JRRT's collected Letters. Obviously yours isn't in :-) but you'll find that anti-nazi correspondance and a lot more : witty, wise, cristal-clear english language and deep ethics. For those who don't see a "point to the story" (like <mack>), I can only recommend Patrick Curry's works (here's a review of it at http://www.tolkiensociety.org/tolki... ). Realizing that I'm kibitzing about JRRT on Staunton's page : what an irony !!! |
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Aug-09-04
 | | ray keene: <gollum70> thanks for the tips-staunton was a polymath-he was an actor
he was a liberal educationalist
he edited shakespeare-i have two original sets
he wrote a regular chess column
he wrote books which still sell well
he organised the first international chess tournament
he lent his name to the pieces
he wrote the great schools of england
and to my mind he was world chess champion from 1843 to 1851 i dont think he wd have objected to a discussion,of the greatest book ever written taking place on his pages!! as far as i am concerned an ideal dinner party wd include guests such as shakespeare staunton and tolkien, even tho, as far as i can see shakespeare like tolkien only mentioned chess once! |
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Aug-09-04 | | nikolaas: Here's a good bio: http://markofwestminster.com/chess/... |
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Aug-09-04 | | fred lennox: <ray keene> Yes I've read Sir Gawain who I believe was the same author as Pearl, one of the most enchanting poems i ever read; so delicate, colorful and passionate. I read Beowulf in old english. It is splendid and unique. If i were to pick a favorite translation I'd say Chickering Jr. though there's one that has much to recommend. It was a labor of love to learn old english to the degree i did. So immersed I became, some may have noticed my kibitzing contains lots of alliterative pairings. I notice this after i type it, it is not deliberate, it's just the way it jingles (okay, that was deliberate). |
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Aug-10-04
 | | ray keene: <fred lennox> in my opinion the gawain myth of the greene knight is based on the heroic exploits of the irish hero cu chulaind-of which name gawain is a frenchified aristocratic version. almost the same myth appears in the tales of cu chulaind. my theory about arthur and camelot is as follows-camelot is camulodunum-colchester the original roman capital and a cavalry base for the roman legions ( knights on horseback) as the romanised britons were driven westwards by the later invasions of angles saxons and jutes they congregated on the margins in the west of england, here race memories of the splendour of camulod (unum) meaning the fortress of the god of war-combined with irish myths travelling over the sea the other way to form the basic arthurian canon. thats why the stories are located in cornwall and wales -because thats where they were created-not where they took place!!
the legends were the bardic compensation for the loss of territory and defeats inflicted on the once great romano british culture by the invading sea borne barbarians.later french and courtly accretions helped to create the well known stories of mallory and tennyson.i subscribe to the view that myth is grounded in some form of reality. |
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Aug-10-04 | | ughaibu: Mack: I've heard that Tolkien wrote Lord of the Rings primarily as a vehicle for his conlangs. |
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Aug-10-04
 | | ray keene: sorry -conlangs? what does this mean?? |
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Aug-10-04
 | | Honza Cervenka: Tolkien is my favourite writer since I have read The Hobbit for the first time some 20 years ago. I read The Lord of the Rings for several times in Czech translation as well as in English original and just now I am reading the 7th volume of The History of Middle-earth edited and written by Tolkien's son Christopher, which gives an interesting account of creation of The Lord of the Rings. But I think that Tolkien's best work was his writings related to the First Age of Middle-earth published in The Silmarillion and The Unfinished Tales. |
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Aug-10-04 | | fred lennox: <ray keene> thank you for that fascinating theory. Offhand it sounds convincing, certainly I would like it to be. Yes, I believe myths are grounded in reality. I feel there was a time myths, more than bounderies, created nations. If what you say is true, the irish influence over Europe and the U.S. is more amazing still. For example, aethetically, the passionate, wild, fanciful, quicksilver and lighthearted is just what Europe could use burdened by the Romans. The more i look into it the more i consider it a blessing the Romans never counquered Scotland and Ireland. If so, I doubt Shakespeare would of been Shakespeare with all his marvelous diversity or Tolkiens be he, who, in a sense, rebelled against roman and greek aethetics. |
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Aug-10-04
 | | BishopBerkeley: <ray keene: ...as far as i can see shakespeare like tolkien only mentioned chess once!> Mr. Keene, in connection with Shakespeare, I wonder if you are referring to the passage in "The Tempest" (Act V, scene 1.187) in which Miranda (presumably playfully) accuses Ferdinand of cheating at the game: http://www.bartleby.com/70/1151.html
[The entrance of the Cell opens, and discovers FERDINAND and MIRANDA playing at chess.] Miranda: Sweet lord, you play me false.
Ferdinand: No, my dearest love,
I would not for the world.
Miranda: Yes, for a score of kingdoms you should wrangle,
And I would call it fair play...
By the way, a few lines down the page we find the source for the title of Aldous Huxley's celebrated novel, "Brave New World": [at line 202]:
O, wonder!
How many goodly creatures are there here!
How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world,
That has such people in’t!
Incidentally, "The Tempest", along with "As You Like It" and "A Midsummer Night's Dream" are my three favorite Shakespeare comedies. [P.S. Elsewhere, I have enthusiastically recommended Aldous Huxley's wonderful work "The Perennial Philosophy". I would like to point out that Huxley had undergone a profound change of perspective between the time he wrote "Brave New World" and the time he wrote "The Perennial Philosophy". This transformation is partly described in his book "The Doors of Perception" [a phrase borrowed from William Blake, and the title from which the rock band "The Doors" took their name http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Do... ]. I do not recommend the use of mescaline or other mind-altering substances in ones philosophical inquiries, but it certainly seems to have had an interesting (and salutary) effect on Huxley! More on Huxley: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldous... ] (: BB :) |
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Aug-10-04
 | | BishopBerkeley: Francis Bacon's Chess Reference
As many of you know, there are scholars who dispute that William Shakespeare wrote the plays that bear his name. Among the leading candidates for those who *really* wrote the plays (if one embraces the view that it was not Shakespeare himself) are Francis Bacon (the famous philosopher), Edward de Vere (17th Earl of Oxford), and Christopher Marlowe (the noted playwright). (Indeed, the theory that Bacon wrote the plays is sometimes whimsically referred to as "The Shake-and-Bake Theory") Well, for what it's worth, I found the following reference to Chess in Bacon's "Essays", particularly in his essay titled "On Boldness": "For if absurdity be the subject of laughter, doubt you not but great boldness is seldom without some absurdity. Especially it is a sport to see, when a bold fellow is out of countenance; for that puts his face into a most shrunken, and wooden posture; as needs it must; for in bashfulness, the spirits do a little go and come; but with bold men, upon like occasion, they stand at a stay; like a stale at chess, where it is no mate, but yet the game cannot stir." Source:
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~rbear/...
For more on the "Who wrote Shakespeare's plays" controversy, you might see: http://www.bardweb.net/debates.html
My own feeling is that Occam's Razor favors the authorship of William Shakespeare himself. I simply don't think that the "evidence" for alternate authorship rises high enough to lead one in a different direction. (: BB :) |
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Aug-10-04
 | | BishopBerkeley: Monty Python's Shakespearean Author
Monty Python have their own candidate for author of the Shakespeare plays (notwithstanding his last minute retraction): http://mzonline.com/bin/view/Python...
I wonder if this isn't poking fun at the fact that Christopher Marlowe's death by the time he is said to have written the plays introduces a minor problem with the theory of his authorship... (: BB :) |
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Aug-10-04
 | | ray keene: i think shakespeare-or someone of the same name-wrote the shakespeare plays. it seems to me that the scene in the tempest is explained by mirandas long isolation from european culture. when she was marooned on the island as a child the queen could only legally move like a draughts piece as in shatranj-meanwhile the chess reforms have taken place and ferdinand moves his queen like the modern queen-that explains why they can both be right-he makes a long queen move-she is astonished and says he plays her false-he says no not at all-both are playing with the different set of rules to which they are accustomed! |
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Aug-10-04 | | Lucky1: Did you ever say where chess was mentioned in LOTR? |
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Aug-11-04
 | | ray keene: <lucky1> yes when pippin on the battlements in the return of the king is waiting for the assault from mordor-i am leaving now for venice -back in a week and a half all the best |
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