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Jan-13-10 | | Red October: if there was a player who got shafted by the Soviets it was probably Najdorf, but I dont have any links to any proof of this.. just that I dont understand why he could not play in the 1948 tournament instead of Fine.. |
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Jan-13-10
 | | chancho: <Deffi> Someone said in the link below that Bronstein wrote in his autobiography that Botvinnik kept Najdorf out of the 1948 tournament out of pure spite because he lost to Najdorf at Groningen 1946: Najdorf vs Botvinnik, 1946
I'm not sure I buy that, since Botvinnik won Groningen 1946 anyway. This is their head to head stats according to the database here: search "najdorf v botvinnik" |
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Jan-13-10
 | | keypusher: <AnalyzeThis: We should hire you guys as auditors, or something. Nothing gets past you.> Accountants, please. In Reshevsky's honor. |
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Jan-13-10 | | Red October: I dont think Botvinnik had that much power to pull the strings on his own.. he most likely had to tow the line of those who wanted to control FIDE and Chess, if a group within the KGB or Kremlin or both decided that their man was to win I dont think Botvinnik could protest that he thought he was strong enough to win anyway... mind you at that time I think Botvinnik was the strongest but Najdorf in the mix could have added a twist to the tournament and he would have had his chances... |
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Jan-13-10 | | Red October: < keypusher: <AnalyzeThis: We should hire you guys as auditors, or something. Nothing gets past you.>
Accountants, please. In Reshevsky's honor.> and mine, though I am an ex-Auditor... :-D |
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Jan-13-10 | | AnalyzeThis: <just that I dont understand why he could not play in the 1948 tournament instead of Fine.. > You basically had 3 Soviets and Reshevsky playing in that tournament. Euwe doesn't count, he was the designated whipping boy. Najdorf would mess up the odds of a Soviet emerging as champ. |
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Jan-13-10 | | Red October: < AnalyzeThis: <just that I dont understand why he could not play in the 1948 tournament instead of Fine.. >
You basically had 3 Soviets and Reshevsky playing in that tournament. Euwe doesn't count, he was the designated whipping boy. Najdorf would mess up the odds of a Soviet emerging as champ.> I meant the official reason... I already mentioned that IMHO he got played... |
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Jan-13-10
 | | keypusher: <AnalyzeThis: <just that I dont understand why he could not play in the 1948 tournament instead of Fine.. > You basically had 3 Soviets and Reshevsky playing in that tournament. Euwe doesn't count, he was the designated whipping boy. Najdorf would mess up the odds of a Soviet emerging as champ.> Your ignorance never ceases to astound.
why don't you figure out who was the only player in the championship with a plus score against Botvinnik going in? Hint: it wasn't Keres, Reshevsky or Smyslov. Where did Euwe finish at Groningen 1946? Where did Najdorf finish? Where did Smyslov finish? Who was the only ex-World Champion to participate in the championship? Euwe was nobody's designated whipping boy going in. His horrible performance was a shock to the chess world, much more unexpected than Keres going 1-4 against Botvinnik, but no one has managed to devise a plausible conspiracy theory about Euwe. <Red October> You're an ex-auditor now? Why? I hope it's because you are too rich to work. Re Najdorf, I have read that he won a tournament in 1947, which was urged as a qualifier for the world championship, but FIDE decided it was too weak. I've also read that it was a Soviet plot. But it would probably be necessary to research the FIDE archives to even try to come up with an answer. |
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Jan-13-10 | | Petrosianic: <Your ignorance never ceases to astound.> It's not the ignorance that amazes me, it's the way someone can consistently make up a theory out of thin air and STILL not explain what he's trying to explain. You'd think that if you're just making it up as you go along, and can say anything, then you can explain anything. But no. This theory explains why the Soviets would like this format, but tells us nothing about why anyone in the West would go along with it or think it a good idea. I think it's time to do a little research into this event, how it's absurd format came about, and what else was considered. I've always sort of ignored it because it just wasn't that interesting, but it's time to start scouring the news, starting with the end of the war, to see how this all came about. |
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Jan-13-10
 | | chancho: Found this excellent post by <Gypsy>: <Whereas the 1946 Congress of FIDE in Winterthure, Switzerland pretty much settled the Zonal-Interzonal-Candidates-WC Match structure of Chess World Championships, the question of seeding the first world champion after Alekhine stayed open. Soviets> <(not members of FIDE yet)> <carried out their separate negotiations with American players during the 1947 USSR-USA match in Moscow. Finally, the two related questions of Soviet Chess Federation membership in FIDE and the method of World Champion seeding fell upon the 1947 FIDE Congress in Hague.> <On the table were the following five proposals:> <(1)> <"Replay of AVRO" with six players (Botvinnik, Keres, Euwe, Reshevsky, Fine, Flohr/Smyslov) and six rounds, half in Hague, half in Moscow.> <(2)>< A match between the winner of an Euwe-Reshevsky semifinal and a Soviet-nominated representative><(Botvinnik).> <(3)> <Two semifinal matches Euwe-Reshevsky and Botvinnik-Keres and match of the winners.> <(4)> <The winner of the first Candidates Tournament (planed for 1949) becomes the WC; must defend in 1950 against the tournament's runner up.> <(5)> <Declare as WC one of the top GMs (most logically Euwe as him being the last and only surviving ex-title holder -- this was supported by many delegates, including understandably Holland, but especially Belgium).> <Initially, FIDE strongly preferred either variant <(2)> or <(5)> or some hybrid of both. The Czechoslovak delegation ran a strong interference, but its motion in favor of the AVRO replay> <(1)> <was soundly defeated by the ratio of votes 3:2. Then the proposal> <(5)> <was selected in the ratio 9:4. The Balgian representative then proposed a vote on the chess champion title reverting back to Dr. Max Euwe (representative of Holland finally suggested a Euwe-Reshevsky match instead). Just at last moment, when president of FIDE Dr. Rueb already put the Euwe proposal to vote, the Czechoslovak delegation resumed its interference: the head of the delegation Josef Louma managed to filibuster away the rest of the day. The next day the Congress went to see the last round of the concurrent Hilversum tournament.> <The two day delay in the vote gave the Soviet Chess Federation enough time to change its mind about FIDE and about the 1947 Congress in Hague.> <The Soviets arrived on Saturday Aug. 2, 1947 and this is the day they became a FIDE member.> <The rest of the negotiations is put by Julius Kozma as thus:> <Thanks to uncompromising position of the head of the> <[Soviet]> <delegation grandmaster Viacheslav Ragozin, the Congress unanimously accepted the only solution: to organize the tournament for the> <[variant (1)]> <World Championship.> <The agreed upon format was that of a six-player tournament of six rounds. The nominated players were the surviving AVRO players, except that the Soviet delegation then replaced Salo Flohr by Smyslov. The tournament dates were set from Mar. 1 to May 31, 1948. The draw put the first half into Hague, second into Moscow. One of the Hague rounds was dropped after Fine opted out of the match-tourney. FIDE named grandmaster Dr. Martin Vidmar as the chief arbiter. (Ragozin became Botvinnik's second.)><?> ---
<Besides Kozma's book, I also used for references a book by Jiri Podgorny. Old issues of Czeskoslovensky Sach give a blow-by-blow account of the negotiations.> |
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Jan-13-10 | | Petrosianic: My order of preference for those proposals is 5, 3, 2, 1, 4. |
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Jan-13-10
 | | keypusher: <chancho> You are the man! And so is Gypsy. I vaguely remembered that post, but was too lazy to find it. That post still doesn't answer why Fine wasn't replaced, by Najdorf or somebody else. I think it was also Gypsy that suggested the Soviets blocked Najdorf. But I don't remember what his source was, or how confident he was. |
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Jan-14-10 | | Red October: <<Red October> You're an ex-auditor now? Why? I hope it's because you are too rich to work.> I quit auditing to join the industry on the accounting side :) |
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Jan-14-10 | | AnalyzeThis: Of course the Soviets blocked Najdorf. Kasparov writes in OMGP 4 (page 120) that the Soviet Federation (for this, read, Botvinnik) was vigorously opposed to Najdorf playing in the 1948 tournament. Who knows? Maybe Reshevsky could have paid off Najdorf, to throw him free points, to compensate for Keres doing the same to Botvinnik. |
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Jan-14-10
 | | keypusher: <Who knows? Maybe Reshevsky could have paid off Najdorf, to throw him free points, to compensate for Keres doing the same to Botvinnik.> Reshevsky should have paid off himself. He gave Botvinnik more free points than Keres did. |
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Jan-14-10 | | Petrosianic: Is he actually claiming that Reshevsky knew BEFORE the tournament that Keres was going to throw points, and did nothing about it? That makes him look like an idiot. |
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Jan-14-10
 | | chancho: <In the spring of 1948, Fine was faced with a difficult choice. Having found Chess unprofitable he had long been studying for a profession (psychoanalysis) and the tournament would have clashed with preparations for his final examinations. He declined to play, passed his exams, and set up a practice in Manhattan. No doubt that was the right decision.> The Oxford Companion to Chess pg 135.
Fine also realized that had he gone to the tournament, the expenses would have come out of his pocket. He basically chose stability over uncertainty. |
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Jan-14-10 | | Petrosianic: <That post still doesn't answer why Fine wasn't replaced, by Najdorf or somebody else.> I grabbed a lot of pertinent pages last night but haven't had time to go through them properly yet. But I did see that Fine's dropout was reported in the March 1948 Chess Review, just before the tournament began. One of Fine's own columns in November 1947 stated his hope that the 6 man tournament (including himself) would come off. The question of why he wasn't replaced isn't addressed, but owing to the late hour, we might infer that there was no time. (Maybe Fine is the villain here. If he'd given sufficient notice, maybe things would have been different). I saw a lot of other things skimming through. The most amusing thing was a letter to the editor fearing that if Reshevsky won, the Soviets would try to claim him as a citizen, since he'd been born in Poland. Saw some pretty weird stuff too. Things like pictures of Bronstein and Boleslavsky with a full head of hair. If Bronstein doesn't look like Richard Deacon, I can't even tell it's him. |
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Jan-14-10 | | Petrosianic: I found more in Chess Review than in Chess Life, so I started going through the Chess Life stuff first. Here's a very interesting bit, which echoes Chancho's post about the Winterthur meeting:
Chess Life, January 1947, page 2:
<The first General Assembly of F.I.D.E. since the war was held last July at Winterthur, Switzerland. Relatively few nations were represented, due to travel restrictions and unsettled conditions in Europe. According to the minutes of this meeting, which finally have reached us, Germany was excluded from membership. Spain likewise was ejected, apparently in the hope that this actuion would pave the way for the entry of Russia. However, the USSR has not yet accepted the invitation to join.For better world representation, five new F.I.D.E. "zones" were established: North America (U.S.A. and Canada), Central America, South America, Orient (including Australia), and the Scandanavian zone. Each of these zones will select a delegate as member of F.I.D.E.'s Central Committee. Of most timely interest was the Winterthur Assembly's action with regard to the world championship question. Even before the death of Dr. Alekhine last March, there had been growing sentiment here and abroad favoring more frequent competition for the world title by means of tournament play in place of the long-established match sytem. With Alekhine's passing, this issue was suddenly brought to a head and prompt F.I.D.E. action was necessary. In accordance with the plan drafted by a special committee, the Winterthur Assembly voted to hold a world championship tournament of six participants - three Russians, two Americans and Dr. Euwe, former world champion - this tournament to take place at Noordwyck, Holland, in 1947. Also adopted was a program of future world title play, based on a three-year cycle of competition: determination of zone champions, inter-zone tournament of zone champions and other recognized masters, tournament of candidates for the title and, finally, match play between the champion and the winner of the candidates' tournament. This solution has by no means found universal approval. Sharp protest has come from various quarters demanding that other high-ranking masters be admitted to the first title tourney in addition to the six players tentatively designated at Winterthur. Botwinnik, Keres, Smyslov, Reshevsky, Fine and Euwe. The Russian players, on the other hand, refuse to play in a tournament of more than six participants and also insist that one-half the tournament rounds be played in Russia. As a result of these and other disagreements, F.I.D.E. President Dr. Rueb has suspended arrangements for a 1947 world championship tournament, leaving it up to the next General Assembly to take further action in the matter. There may be no perfect solution to the problem. However, it is to be hoped that the obstacles will be cleared away and that the world chess throne will soon again be filled, by the fairest and most equitable means possible.> Very interesting. I already knew that Botvinnik had dropped out of the Soviet Championship in 1947 to protest his government screwing up the negotiations and getting the 1947 Championship tournament cancelled. But the timing of this is odd. I had heard that Euwe had been declared interim world champion, when the Soviets arrived and new arrangements were made. Maybe that's true, but according to this, the Soviet Union had still not joined FIDE even after Winterthur, despite being involved in the title negotiations. How would that have worked if the champion's country wasn't a FIDE member? Interesting that Spain was EJECTED from FIDE, to try to get the Soviets in. When was Spain re-admitted, I wonder? Franco was still alive into the 1970's, but I'm pretty sure they were back before then. But I'm still fuzzy on the details. According to this, they DID vote at Winterthur for a 6-man tournament, because the Russians wouldn't play a larger one. I don't get that. If they weren't even FIDE members, what leverage did they have? We all know they wouldn't have kept their players out of the final product. And if they weren't members, they didn't have a vote, right? But according to this, despite the fact that the 6-man format was accepted and voted on, some people didn't like it, wanting more players, and so Rueb apparently threw up his hands (nullifying the vote?), and said we'll look at it again next year. Not a word here about why Flohr, FIDE's pre-war "Official Challenger", wasn't included in the mix, or why Smyslov was in. I believe that Smyslov was in because of his finish in the 1941 Soviet Absolute Championship, but it doesn't say that here. Flohr was a Soviet player after the war, but had been a Czech beforehand, and he didn't play in the Absolute Championship. Why is he the only one from AVRO that isn't even mentioned? There really needs to be a book about this tournament. |
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Jan-14-10 | | nescio: <Petrosianic: But the timing of this is odd. I had heard that Euwe had been declared interim world champion, when the Soviets arrived and new arrangements were made. Maybe that's true, but according to this, the Soviet Union had still not joined FIDE even after Winterthur, despite being involved in the title negotiations. How would that have worked if the champion's country wasn't a FIDE member?> I think you haven't read Gypsy's post carefully enough. It's about _two_ FIDE congresses, one in Winterthur in 1946 (without the Soviets) and one in Den Haag in 1947. It was during the latter that, in absence of the Soviets, Euwe was declared Champion. He was champion for two hours and then the Soviet delegation arrived. |
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Jan-14-10
 | | keypusher: <Petrosianic>
It may be that the magazine editors were just confused. It is a bit strange for the Soviets to join FIDE in the middle of the congress. Also, it's a natural reading of Gypsy's post that the six-man tournament was chosen at Winterthur at the behest of the newly-admitted Soviets, but it's also possible that the final resolution took place at a later conference. <I already knew that Botvinnik had dropped out of the Soviet Championship in 1947 to protest his government screwing up the negotiations and getting the 1947 Championship tournament cancelled.> Unpossible! Everyone knows that the Soviet chess federation was merely an instrument of Botvinnik's will. Next you'll be telling me the disgraced collaborator Keres won the Soviet championship that year. <There really needs to be a book about this tournament.> You and Gypsy can be co-authors. But it would be nice to have someone with a Dutch/Soviet magazine collection. |
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Jan-14-10 | | Petrosianic: <I think you haven't read Gypsy's post carefully enough. It's about _two_ FIDE congresses, one in Winterthur in 1946 (without the Soviets) and one in Den Haag in 1947. It was during the latter that, in absence of the Soviets, Euwe was declared Champion. He was champion for two hours and then the Soviet delegation arrived.> Yeah, I get that there were two Congresses. That's why Botvinnik was mad. But I had heard that Euwe was interim champion in 1946. Maybe that's the part that I've got wrong. Here's a quick blurb about next year's meeting:
Chess Life, May 1947, page 1
<PAUL GIERS WILL FLY TO HAGUE USCF ANNOUNCESUSCF Executive Vice-President Paul Giers has his American Airlines reservation for the trip to the Hague, Holland, where he will represent the USCF in the FIDE meeting, July 30 - August 3. Mr. Giers bears with him the USCF recommendation regarding the handling of the World Championship and is prepared to protect the interests of the logical U.S. contenders for the title.> It looks then, like they voted in the 6-man format again. No mention here of what the USCF recommendation was, but I'm sure it's here somewhere. And since Maurice Kuhns of Chicago was FIDE VP for years, I'm sure that nothing the US strongly opposed was accepted. |
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Jan-14-10
 | | chancho: <With the death of Alekhine in 1946 the World Championship title was vacant. To deal with the matter FIDE delegates assembled in 1947, and at the same meeting the Soviet Union became a member. The Delegates decided that Euwe as the previous title holder, and indeed the only ex champion still alive, should become world champion pending the next contest. The next day, the Soviet contingent arrived, having been delayed en route, had the decision annulled and the title left vacant. Thus he(Euwe)said wryly that he had been World Champion for one day in 1947.> The Oxford Companion to Chess pg 127 |
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Jan-14-10 | | Petrosianic: Okay, here's some paydirt:
Chess Life, August 1947, page 2:
<HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE HAGUE
A Regular Message by
By [sic] Paul J. Giers
Executive Vice-President, United States Chess FederationWorld chess has a brighter future as a result of the F.I.D.E. General Assembly concluded at The Hague on August 2. For the first time in history, all chess players on our globe are united in one world organization - Federation Internationaile des Echecs - and it may well be said that the Assembly's decisions will lead to more harmonious and effective collaboration among the chess playing nations. It was my privilege and pleasure to represent the USCF at The Hague and herewith are some highlights of the meeting as I observed them. Twenty countries were represented by sixteen delegates: Austria, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, Cuba, Denmark, Finland, France, Great Brtain [sic], Holland, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, Norway, Palestine, Sweden, Switzerland, U.S.A., U.S.S.R., and Yugoslavia. Presiding over the meeting was Dr. A. Rueb, of The Hague, perennial president since FIDE's organization in 1924. Or greatest interest perhaps is the settlement of the world championship problem. Since the tournament of six masters, approved at the Winterthur Assembly of last year, had not materialized for various reasons, the Netherlands Chess Federation proposed that Dr. Max Euwe as the only living ex-champion be proclaimed world champion; that Dr. Euwe play a match for the title with Samuel Reshevsky and the winner finally engage Botvinnik. This proposal was later amended so that the title would not be awarded until after the Euwe-Reshevsky match. The USCF proposal called for an enlarged tournament to include three American masters: Fine, Kashdan and Reshevsky. Neither proposal was adopted.> Continued in Next. |
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Jan-14-10 | | Petrosianic: <After considerable discussion, however, a general agreement was reached that a world title tournament of only six masters be held next Spring, starting after March 1 and ending before May 31, 1948. The six participants will be Reshevsky, Fine, Dr. Euwe, Botvinnik, Smyslov and Keres. As decided by draw, the first half of the tournament will take place in Holland, the second half at Moscow. Each contestant will play four games against every other contestant, for a total of twenty rounds. The federations of the Netherlands and the U.S.S.R. have jointly assumed all expenses of the tourney, including all travel and living expenses of the participants. To prevent further complications and delays, no postponement or substitution of players will be permitted and in the absence of one or more contestant the remaining contestants will play for the title. Of far-reaching importance is the entry of the U.S.S.R. as an affiliated unit of FIDE. Now that Russia with its 600,000 registered chess players has joined, the world organization is complete and its decisions will carry full weight. The progress of the Assembly was hampered to some extent by the fact that the Russian delegation, Ragozin, Postnikoff, Yudowitch and Malsheff, whose arrival had originally been announced for the third day, did not report at The Hague until the fourth and final day of the meeting. Their plane apparently was grounded at Berlin and they had proceeded from there by train. Of course, this seemingly unwarranted delay was not to our liking. We must remember, however, that travel and other conditions in the U.S.S.R. are still unsettled and I believe that there was no willful intent on the Russians' part to delay the proceedings. Once there, the U.S.S.R. delegation displayed a spirt [sic] of excellent cooperation and it is significant that all decisions on the final day were by unanimous vote. The new FIDE constitution adopted by the Assembly includes several USCF additions and USSR proposals. A special committee of three, of which I was a member, reconciled the original draft with another draft submitted by the USSR and the USCF proposals. According to the constitution, FIDE membership is limited to the principal chess organization of each country. The chess world outside of Central and Western Europe is divided into seven zones: U.S.A., U.S.S.R., Scandinavia, Central America, South America, Australia and Canada. Each zone is represented in the Central Committee by a FIDE vice-president. All major decisions are left to the General Assembly which convenes annually and is attended by one delegate from each affiliated unit. Officers are elected for a term of four years. There are now three official languages: English, French and Russian, with the French designated as the authentic text. Dr. Rueb was re-elected president, Prof. Meyer of Switzerland was named treasurer and M.S. Kuhns of Chcago [sic], our own president emeritus, was elected FIDE honorary president. Bogoljubow, the German master, had applied in 1946 for a clean bill of health so that he might again participate in international tournaments. His conduct during the war years was carefully checked by a special committee. After hearing that committee's report, the Assembly decided that no action was in order and left it to the decision of each organizing committee whether or not to invite Bogoljubow. Since Spain had been expelled last year for purely political reasons, we urged its readmission to FIDE. By unanimous consent president Rueb was given authority to correct the situation with regard to Spain. A beautiful chess trophy, made and donated by H.A. Dittmann of Salt Lake City, was offered by our Federation as prize to be awarded to the next world champion. Our offer was accepted with applause. We also offered to publish in CHESS LIFE the names and addresses of deserving European masters with an appeal to American players to send packages of needed food and clothing. The proposal was warmly received and several such names are already on our list. The 1948 General Assembly will be held at Stockholm at the invitation of Folke Rogard who represented the scandinavian [sic] zone. More in a future article about the delegates and their countries, also about the new system of zonal and interzonal competition for the world championship.> |
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