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Dec-19-07 | | whiskeyrebel: Uhh..300. |
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Jan-02-08 | | suenteus po 147: For those of you who are Tarrasch fans, his greatest tournament victory can be found here: Game Collection: Vienna 1898 |
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Jan-02-08
 | | keypusher: <suenteus po 147: For those of you who are Tarrasch fans, his greatest tournament victory can be found here: Game Collection: Vienna 1898> A monster of a tournament, so assembling the collection must have been a ton of work. Thanks! |
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Jan-04-08 | | veigaman: does anyone remember fischer´opinion on tarrasch? I dont remember the way fischer described tarrasch style! |
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Jan-04-08
 | | keypusher: <veigaman>
<"Razor-sharp, he always followed his own rules. In spite of devotion to his own supposedly scientific method, his play was often witty and bright."– Bobby Fischer (on Tarrasch)>
I poached that from Brankat's forum. |
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Jan-04-08 | | veigaman: <keypusher> thanks so much mate! |
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Jan-04-08 | | whiskeyrebel: According to Soltis ( "Grandmaster Secrets: Openings") Tarrasch considered hypermodern openings like 1.Nf3 to be a "petty and cowardly strategy". He also opined that after 1.d4... Nf6 "is certainly not correct". He also held that "A knight is always bad on b6". I kinda like Tarrasch anyway, but thank the gods for the hypermoderns who stood up to his dogma. |
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Jan-04-08
 | | Ron: The first major chess book I read when I was a boy was _The Game of Chess_ and perhaps is one of the reasons why Tarrasch is one of my chess heroes. Yes, his views on the opening were too dogmatic. On the other hand, he was not dogmatic on other things: he sacrificed pawn structure for the sake of mobility. He even gave an example of allowing double pawns in order to open a file, in his classic book.
I'm glad the Fischer quote about Tarrasch was presented, it shows an interesting perspective. I've had a hunch that Tarrasch was one of the influences on Fischer's play. |
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Jan-05-08 | | brankat: Some quotes, directly or indirectly related to Dr.S.Tarrasch: "Dr. Tarrasch is a thinker, fond of deep and complex speculation. He will accept the efficacy and usefulness of a move if at the same time he considers it beautiful and theoretically right. But I accept that sort of beauty only if and when it happens to be useful. He admires an idea for its depth, I admire it for its efficacy. My opponent believes in beauty, I believe in strength. I think that by being strong, a move is beautiful too." <Emanuel Lasker>
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"Steinitz always looked for the objectively right move. Tarrasch always claimed to have found the objectively right move. Lasker did nothing of the kind. He never bothered about what might or might not be the objectively right move; all he cared for was to find whatever move was likely to be most embarrassing for the specific person sitting on the other side of the board." <Jacques Hannak>
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"He has a profound liking for ugly opening moves."
<Siegbert Tarrasch> (on Niemzowitsch) |
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Jan-05-08
 | | Open Defence: Morphy, Steinitz, Tarrasch, Nimzo, Reti, Capablanca, Alekhine all contributed a piece of the puzzle... chess IMHO is too complex to be reduced to a bunch of principles but Steinitz came very close to the truth, but they cannot be looked at in isolation |
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Feb-12-08 | | Tomlinsky: What is the object of playing a gambit opening?... To acquire a reputation of being a dashing player at the cost of losing a game. (Siegbert Tarrasch) |
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Feb-19-08 | | nescio: Some 30 years ago I picked up "Dreihundert Schachpartieen" in a second-hand bookshop. I had heard about Tarrasch's dogmatism, his dry pseude-scientific approach to chess, etc. So I was struck, not really by his enormous playing strength, which was already clear from his results, but by his witty, original sentences, which make him quotable to the present day. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that many anonymous phrases or Tartakower aphorisms were in fact written by Tarrasch. I'm convinced that anyone can enjoy this book and, en passant as it were, learn a lot about chess. One impression I got I should mention, because I haven't seen it yet. To me it looks like he was tragic after all because he searched for a most paradoxical animal: A system that always wins. |
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Feb-19-08
 | | Honza Cervenka: <nescio> I cannot agree more. Dreihundert Schachpartieen is true gem of chess literature. |
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Feb-19-08 | | RookFile: <So I was struck, not really by his enormous playing strength, which was already clear from his results, but by his witty, original sentences, which make him quotable to the present day. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that many anonymous phrases or Tartakower aphorisms were in fact written by Tarrasch. > This is actually right. If you just drink the koolaid that some writers give you, you think that Tarrasch was dogmatic and dry. In reality, his writing is quite entertaining to read. |
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Feb-19-08
 | | keypusher: <nescio><So I was struck, not really by his enormous playing strength, which was already clear from his results, but by his witty, original sentences, which make him quotable to the present day.> I have never read 300 Chess Games, but I remember being similarly surprised when I read Cheshire's profile of Tarrasch in the Hastings 1895 tournament book: <33 at the time of the tournament, Tarrasch was born on March 5, 1862 at Breslau, where he commenced his education.He is a man of the highest educational attainments, and not being able to devote so much time and attention to the game as devotees would like to see him do, his performances have been a little irregular, and at times he has completely disappeared from the chess world. He enjoyed a considerable reputation in the game while at college and university, in spite of the pressures of his other studies, frequenting chess resorts where he played successfully with the habitues. It is said also that he was fond of correspondence chess and blindfold play. Visitors to the Congress will remember him as a neat, well-dressed, sprightly gentleman of very engaging manners, and always with a fresh flower in his button-hole. Certainly a favorite with onlookers, his board was generally well patronized whoever was his opponent. Journalistic work has occupied a considerable amount of his time, and his annotaitions are very far above the average. Those in this book were supplied in German, so that some may have lost a little of their pristine beauty in translation.> A list of his leading successes follows. Also, from Lasker's bio in the same book: <Like his great rival [Steinitz], he takes chess and life generally in a very serious way, and there seems to be little fun in either of their natures. If this means that humor is inimical to chess, so much the worse for the latter. On the other hand, however, there is Dr. Tarrasch, who has plenty of true humor in his nature, and Pillsbury and others are not wanting in that element. > |
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Mar-05-08 | | brankat: Happy Birthday to the great master and teacher! |
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Mar-05-08 | | Pawn Ambush: Like Korchnoi one of the strongest never to become World Champion. |
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Mar-05-08 | | Knight13: Screw this guy, man, especially his QGD Tarrasch Defense that ends up with IQP. |
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Mar-05-08
 | | Domdaniel: I'm not a Tarrasch fan. I found his dogmatism oppressive and I scrawled 'Nimzo was right' all over a Tarrasch book from the library ... But I have to admit his openings work. Both the Tarrasch Variation of the French and the Tarrasch Defence to the QGD seem to turn up in a lot of my games. Anyway, Nimzo believed that having a 'born enemy' was good for your play. |
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Mar-05-08 | | HrodHerich: Happy birthday to my first chess teacher.
Domdaniel: Lol, that's pathetic, dude. |
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Mar-05-08
 | | Honza Cervenka: <dom> I think that "Tarrasch's dogmatism" is a bit cliche and dogmatism of its kind. It is true that in his later years he made some quite ridiculous comments on hypermodernists and their ideas, which he saw as offense to logic and nature of chess (but remember Einstein and his view of quantum mechanics) but he never was a "dogmatic" on the board and his analyses and comments of games though not flawless were always very insightful and witty. I would highly recommend his "300 chess games" to any chess fan and student. |
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Mar-05-08
 | | keypusher: Incidentally, for those who are curious, some of his books are now freely available on the internet: http://books.google.com/books?id=0C... http://books.google.com/books?id=vS... Unfortunately, though, I haven't found <300 Chess Games> or his Nuremberg 1896 tournament book. DomDaniel, I hear you about his occasional dogmatism. Tarrasch could also be a terrible sore loser, but who among chess greats (except maybe Tal) is not? On his birthday, it's good to remember his comment on a game played by the fellow in Honza's avatar: <And still among people there persists the legend that chess is too serious. Life is serious; chess is the cheerful art.> See Albin vs Winawer, 1896 Happy birthday, Doctor! |
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Mar-05-08
 | | keypusher: Here's the always interesting John Watson on Tarrasch: <To conclude my Tarrasch discussion, I want to say something about his famous 'dogmatism'. Tarrasch's popular historical image is that of a follower of Steinitz who rather dogmatically followed the latter's ideas while expanding them to embrace the virtues of quick development and space control. I think that any objective study of Tarrasch has to conclude that he was indeed more dogmatic than most players of his stature, not only in his extreme statements about openings, but in assessments of strategies and even of individual moves. On the other hand, he played moves he had earlier criticized, and didn't seem to take his own theories as seriously as Steinitz did when it came to practical play. He also tried to establish himself as an original contributor to chess theory, independent of Steinitz. An interesting passage from 'The Game of Chess' addresses Steinitz's 'strong' recommendation that, versus rook-pawn attacks such as h4-h5-h6, it was best to allow the pawn to advance to h6 and then play …g6, after which the pawn at h6 would be weak in the endgame. Steinitz also warned against blocking the pawn's advance by means of …h6, for fear of weakening the g6 square. Tarrasch proudly argues against this, asserting: "Therefore never allow an enemy rook pawn to advance to the sixth rank, but block the advance by playing your own rook pawn one or two squares forward-a principle first enunciated by the author and diametrically opposed to the teaching of Steinitz. On this point, as on many others, I had been obliged to contest the teachings of that great theoretician. Here are some examples to demonstrate the truth of my dictum…" [italics his]. Of course, the truth is that one sometimes allows such an advance and one sometimes blocks it. There are no valid 'dicta' or principles about such matters. But it shows how determined that thinkers like Steinitz and Tarrasch were to put chess on a rigorous scientific basis, even to the extent of establishing rules for a particular type of pawn advance.To this day, our elementary texts are full of bogus guidelines about more important topics than rook pawn advances, so we should not feel too smug about such quaint arguments. It would be very interesting to compare the results of using Tarrasch's The Game of Chess as an elementary textbook with those of using our five bestselling introductory books. I doubt that 70 years or so of added chess experience would prove to have benefited the latter.> http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/jwa...
And here is Cardinal Newman on the evil of anti-dogmatism. We are so used to using "dogmatic" as a term of abuse that it can be quite bracing to read a man who thought it a term of praise. http://www.newmanreader.org/works/a... |
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Mar-05-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Honza> Actually, I agree. The quarrel with Nimzo and the hypermoderns was never very real, just some careless remarks by Tarrasch which the other side used for propaganda value. If Tarrasch was so dogmatic, how come he tried out hypermodern openings himself? The book that once annoyed me was not "300 Schachpartien" which is a classic. It was a shorter collection of Tarrasch's own games. At the time I found such games dull -- often a passive Queen's Pawn opening by White, some exchanges, and a long maneuvering phase. But I might appreciate them now. |
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Mar-05-08
 | | Domdaniel: <keypusher> Nice find -- yes, of course Newman would have found dogmatism a delightful thing. Around the same time, if memory serves, the pope issued tracts condemning such evils as 'modernism', 'capitalism' and (oh, the horror) 'Americanism'. Just walking the dogma ... |
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