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   Jun-07-15 Biographer Bistro (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <zanzibar: Since I'm an adviser to editors, rather than an editor, I'm unfamiliar with what exactly editors can do.> I want to bring this post to your attention again: Biographer Bistro (kibitz #10966) It explains what editors can do and what not.
 
   May-31-15 chessgames.com chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <chessgames.com> Maybe you overlooked this post Biographer Bistro (kibitz #11028) , since the Bistro has become rather fast-paced. An answer would be interesting to several people.
 
   May-29-15 WCC Editing Project chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <Chessical> Thank you very much for your contribution(s)! We hope that you will support us in the future, also. For sure, you have helped us quite a lot already. The draft in question is already finished and was send away, though. It is still a valuable source and
 
   Apr-01-15 Moscow (1925) (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <Capablanca> on his experience at <Moscow 1925>: <"Although very philosophical, very observant and completely dispassionate in my judgment about everything concerning chess and its great exponents, I was nonetheless <<<unable to ...
 
   Mar-08-15 Tabanus chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: Ribli - Torre Candidates Quarterfinal (1983) Audiovisual aid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8G...
 
   Mar-08-15 Alekhine - Bogoljubov World Championship Match (1929) (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <beatgiant> In case you want to read further on this topic, I have prepared a sourced timeline that summarizes the <Alekhine-Capablanca> rematch negotiations from 26 Feb 1929 - March 1935: Game Collection: WCC: Alekhine-Bogoljubov 1934 ARCHIVE
 
   Jan-29-15 suenteus po 147 chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <One Third of the original "Big Three"> I beg your pardon! I'm on vacation in Canada, and I just now saw your post in the WCC forum. By "we" I meant the cg.com biographers, not the WCC project. All of the research compiled for additions to your intro was done by ...
 
   Nov-23-14 R Fuchs vs Tal, 1969 (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <MC Scarlett> If so, very very quietly...
 
   Nov-19-14 Alexander Alekhine (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <Karpova> Thanks for the correction! That sum makes more sense now in conjunction with the report on the organizers' losses. Good heavens- they can't have made much on ticket sales.
 
   Nov-17-14 E Walther vs Tal, 1966
 
WCC Editing Project: Queen trap Trick or Treat- this game was played on Halloween, 1966.
 
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WCC Editing Project

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Sep-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  SwitchingQuylthulg: <He became on the strongest chessplayers in the world in the late 1890s. (1)>

He became <one of> the strongest chessplayers in the world in the late 1890s. (This used to be correct...)

Sep-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  WCC Editing Project: <Switch> that is my fault, thank you for your eagle eyes (owl eyes?).

I don't know what we would do without them.

Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Schlechter 1910

Fixed!

Sep-18-13  TheFocus: I have some nice stuff on <Steinitz - Zukertort>; letters between their representatives trying to arrange a match. They are from a little-known chess column of Steinitz's in <Ashore or Afloat>. I will type it up and drop it in here. The match was played in 1886, but these negotiations began in 1883.
Sep-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  WCC Editing Project: <TheFocus> that would be marvellous thank you!

Please be sure to give the <page numbers> ok?

If we don't have them, we can't use your invaluable gold.

Sep-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  WCC Editing Project: <Colleagues>

Draft Writer WORD COUNT guideline.

Counting only the intro text, and not the citation notes, please aim for

500-650 range.

Under 500 means not enough. If you don't have enough facts to justify 500 words then throw it out to your colleagues here and we'll find relevant info or die trying.

The longest existing WCC intro on the Official CG.com website is around 650 words, give or take.

So that's a good ceiling.

Sep-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  WCC Editing Project: <Steamed Clams>

Ok here is our final Citation Template, which I have constructed from several university style manuals. Please write your Draft Citations in <only this format> ok?

As it turns out, it's a fair bit of work for me and <crawfb5> to change different kinds of edit citations into the html code, so please use <only> this template.

Don't worry about currently completed drafts, I will change those citations to the new format myself.

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<Example Citation List>

1 "Shakhmatny v. SSSR” No.3 March 1956, pp.87-89. Retrieved from Batgirl article at http://www.chess.com/blog/batgirl/e...

2 "Manhattan Chess Club Archives." In Edward Winter, "Capablanca" (McFarland 1989), p.186

3 Milan Vidmar, "Golden Schachzeiten (2d auflage)" (Walter de Gruyter 1981), p.176

4 Alexander Alekhine, "On the Road to the World Championship 1923-1927" (Pergamon 1984), p.2

5 "The Russell Collection” Item 1569. In Edward Winter, "Capablanca" p.319

6 Yuri Shaburov, "Alexander Alekhine- The Undefeated Champion" (The Voice 1992), p.161

7 Vlastimil Fiala and Jan Kalendovsky, "Complete Games of Alekhine Vol 2, 1921-1924" (Olomouc 1996), pp.153-154

8 "La Nación” 14 September 1927, p. 12

9 "Sonntagsbeilage der Augsburger Postzeitung” 25 June 1927, p.104

10 "Magazine Actual” May 1997, p. 25. In Edward Winter, “Chess Note 3428.” Retrieved from http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...

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<IMPORTANT!>

Please do not add any <Editing Markers> to your drafts! That just gives me more work because they are not the same as on the html code.

So please write your draft notes and citation notes exactly like this:

"Rubble had no chance against Flintstone."2

2 Joe Rockhead, "History of Bedrock Chess" (McFarland 1990), p.22

and not like this:

[2] or [(2)]

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<IMPORTANT!>

Finally please remember! We must all use <Karpova> method of citing text from exactly the same page of exactly the same source.

In your intro, if you have two pieces of information to cite from exactly the same source AND exactly the same page number, you must repeat the same number in the intro.

Example:

"Chess is great.1 The game is more than 5,000 years old.2 Cookie monster played chess.1"

1 Elmo Wiggins, "Cookie Monster Chess" (Dinkles 1966), p. 34

2 "American Chess Bulletin" 12 May 1945, p.12.

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Sep-18-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  WCC Editing Project: <Colleagues>

The new CITATION TEMPLATE and CITATION GUIDELINES are now posted at the top of our profile, so that you can easily find and look at them.

WCC Editing Project chessforum

Sep-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  WCC Editing Project: <656> words of text in the intro.

Any ways to cut that back a bit would be welcome, to at least 650 or under.

Sep-19-13  Karpova: <Jess>

This is really a great draft!

Just a few minor points:

<Alekhine meant to finish 1st in every tournament until he earned a shot at Capa, whom he predicted would soon be champion.>

What's the source for his prediction?

I wouldn't call Capablanca <Capa> in the intros. That's a bit too colloquial.

<Capa got $2000 of the purse as a fee, the remaining to be split $4,800 to the victor and $3,200 to the loser.>

$2,000

Sep-19-13  Karpova: On Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Tarrasch 1908

I suggest as a placeholder for <and said that the former had become a giant in chess thanks to his amour propre (3).> after <whiteshark>, <Domdaniel> and <perfidious>:

<Dr. Tarrasch's strength or weakness, if you will, is his pronounced self-love. Without it, he would have become only a very mediocre chessplayer. But with his particular talent, he grew a giant.3>

---

<Jess: Under 500 means not enough. If you don't have enough facts to justify 500 words then throw it out to your colleagues here and we'll find relevant info or die trying.>

We shouldn't be so strict about it though, after all it helps nobody if we sacrifice conciseness or include less relevant info just to reach 500 words.

Sep-19-13  Karpova: regarding my above post, the placeholder should be <...and said "Dr. Tarrasch's...">
Sep-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  WCC Editing Project: <Karpova> Excellent thank you!

<source>

I just found the prediction and it's in almost the exact same place as another citation I already quoted in the intro, so I will just repeat the same note, according to your handy method.

From a conversation in 1914-

Romanovsky: "But Lasker is the world champion right now."

Alekhine: "This is unimportant...soon it will be Capablanca."

http://www.chess.com/blog/batgirl/e...

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<I wouldn't call Capablanca <Capa> in the intros. That's a bit too colloquial.> I will think about this before making a decision.

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<$2,000> Fixed!

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<Karpova> I am worried a bit about being over 650 words and looking to get on or under that count. I confess one of the reasons I'm hesitant about spelling <Capablanca> out every time that it adds text. That sounds crazy now that I'm typing it out. lol

Anyways do you think this passage is necessary?

<where the fans had to remain on the first floor while the masters played alone in a room on the second floor, except for 2 games played in the noisier Jockey Club.6>

I was thinking of maybe cutting it earlier. Even though I spent 3 hours finding the page number for it. But that's not a relevant issue here.

Can you think of any other ways to cut word count?

Sep-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  WCC Editing Project: <DRAFT EDIT>

Game Collection: WCC: Capablanca-Alekhine 1927

As early as his 3d place at St Petersburg (1914), Alexander Alekhine had already begun planning his run at the world chess championship. Before he agreed to play at Mannheim (1914), he asked the organizers if Jose Raul Capablanca would be there. He later explained to his friend Peter Arsenievich Romanovsky that "if Capablanca would have participated, then I would not have played...I am weaker than Capablanca and this means if he took part I should get... second place at best. And this does not fit in my plans."1 Alekhine meant to finish 1st in every tournament until he earned a shot at Capablanca, whom he predicted would soon be champion.1 He indeed placed 1st at Mannheim (1914), Budapest (1921), and The Hague (1921), after which he issued his first challenge to Capablanca, who had wrested the title from Emanuel Lasker earlier in the year.2 After London (1922), where Alekhine placed 2d to the champion, the top 8 finishers signed "The London Rules," Capablanca's proposal for all future title match conditions. Included was the stipulation that challengers must guarantee a purse of "$10,000 U.S. dollars."3 It soon became clear that none of the masters could raise these funds. Neither Akiba Rubinstein nor Aron Nimzowitsch managed it, rendering both their challenges moot. But Alekhine never wavered from his quest. After finishing 3d to Lasker and Capablanca at New York (1924), he reported a momentous discovery after analyzing this game: Capablanca vs Alekhine, 1924. "I had finally detected a slight weakness in my future opponent: increasing uncertainty when confronted with stubborn resistance!"4

It would be 3 more years until Alekhine raised the required purse from the Argentine Chess Federation, and a match date was set for Sept. 1927 in Buenos Aires.5 The Argentine Chess Club provided the venue, where the fans had to remain on the first floor while the masters played alone in a room on the second floor, except for 2 games played in the noisier Jockey Club.6 The games were played at 2 1/2 hours per forty moves, the match awarded to the first to win 6 games, draws not counting. Capablanca got $2,000 of the purse as a fee, the remaining to be split $4,800 to the victor and $3,200 to the loser.7 Alekhine had never won a single game from Capablanca, so it was understandable that few believed he could win 6 match games against him. Geza Maroczy predicted victory was bound to go to Capablanca,8 and Rudolf Spielmann said he would be surprised if Alekhine "were to win even a single game."9 Richard Reti seemed alone in his conclusion "that there are no fundamental reasons for affirming with such certainty that the Cuban grandmaster must necessarily defeat the talented Slav player."8

Sep-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  WCC Editing Project: <Draft pt. 2>

Alekhine answered all naysayers by winning the first game. Capablanca, who published a running journal of the match for "La Critica," ascribed the loss to a "gross error" that cost him a pawn, followed by a "fresh error" that sealed his fate: Capablanca vs Alekhine, 1927. 10 The match proved to be a two month marathon in which Alekhine gradually ground the champion down. After Alekhine notched his 4th win in game 21- Capablanca vs Alekhine, 1927, Capablanca opined that "there can hardly be a stronger player in the world than the Slav master."11 With adjournments, the final game took 4 days to complete, ending on 29 November when Capablanca did not show up to resume play. Instead he sent a congratulatory resignation note. Neither did the ex-champion show up for the closing ceremony on 8 December. On that day he sent a letter to the organizers explaining that "I have always emphatically opposed any act of public ostentation. It is clear that the organizing committee of the match is applying a different criterion. Given our difference of views with respect to these matters, permit me to refrain from attending tonight at the Chess Club."11 Alexander Alekhine, the 4th world chess champion, did attend. He thanked the Argentine Chess Club for its work and declared he was against any future changes to the world title match rules- the London Rules.11

1 "Shakhmatny v. SSSR” No.3 March 1956, pp.87-89. Retrieved from Batgirl article at http://www.chess.com/blog/batgirl/e...

2 "Manhattan Chess Club Archives." In Edward Winter, "Capablanca" (McFarland 1989), p.186

3 Milan Vidmar, "Golden Schachzeiten (2d auflage)" (Walter de Gruyter 1981), p.176

4 Alexander Alekhine, "On the Road to the World Championship 1923-1927" (Pergamon 1984), p.2

5 "The Russell Collection” Item 1569. In Edward Winter, "Capablanca" p.319

6 Yuri Shaburov, "Alexander Alekhine- The Undefeated Champion" (The Voice 1992), p.161

7 Vlastimil Fiala and Jan Kalendovsky, "Complete Games of Alekhine Vol 2, 1921-1924" (Olomouc 1996), pp.153-154

8 "La Nación” 14 September 1927, p. 12

9 "Sonntagsbeilage der Augsburger Postzeitung” 25 June 1927, p.104

10 Edward Winter, "Capablanca" p.198

11 Edward Winter, "Capablanca" p.200

11 "Magazine Actual” May 1997, p. 25. In Edward Winter, “Chess Note 3428.” Retrieved from http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...

Sep-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  WCC Editing Project: <Karpova>

Ok I put all of your suggestions in.

I was tempted to keep "Capa" and also add "Lasky" until I did an experiment.

Typing out "Capablanca" doesn't add to the word count.

It's sitting chilly at 656 words.

Sep-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  WCC Editing Project: <Karpova>

Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Tarrasch 1908

I will put this in the mirror at the top just under your citation list:

But with these corrections-

<grew <<<into>>> a giant> right?

<...and said "Dr. Tarrasch's...">

<"Dr. Tarrasch> right?

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I put this in the mirror now.

<EDIT <Karpova>

placeholder:

<and said that the former had become a giant in chess thanks to his amour propre (3).> after <whiteshark>, <Domdaniel> and <perfidious>:

<Dr. Tarrasch's strength or weakness, if you will, is his pronounced self-love. Without it, he would have become only a a very mediocre chessplayer. But with his particular talent, he grew a giant.3>>

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<Jess: Under 500 means not enough. If you don't have enough facts to justify 500 words then throw it out to your colleagues here and we'll find relevant info or die trying.>

<<Karpova>: We shouldn't be so strict about it though, after all it helps nobody if we sacrifice conciseness or include less relevant info just to reach 500 words.>

I agree. Let's leave that decision up to the actual draft writer.

Sep-19-13  Karpova: <Jess: <where the fans had to remain on the first floor while the masters played alone in a room on the second floor, except for 2 games played in the noisier Jockey Club.6>

I was thinking of maybe cutting it earlier. Even though I spent 3 hours finding the page number for it. But that's not a relevant issue here.

Can you think of any other ways to cut word count?>

A compromise would be to turn

<The Argentine Chess Club provided the venue, where the fans had to remain on the first floor while the masters played alone in a room on the second floor, except for 2 games played in the noisier Jockey Club.6>

into

<The Argentine Chess Club provided the venue, except for 2 games played in the Jockey Club.6>

Also you could leave out the game hyperlinks, as the links to all games will be provided on the same page as the intro, so the reader merely has to scroll down a bit. Referring to the game Nr should suffice.

Sep-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  WCC Editing Project: <Karpova>

Thanks for good editing suggestion I will do that now.

But about game hyperlinks:

Daniel told us he would like to see some game hyperlinks in the body of the intros.

He specifically asked for this eh? I would have posted this sooner but I just found out recently.

So you might think about doing it too on future drafts. You certainly don't have to, but like I said- the webmaster actually suggested this to us. It's the only content suggestion he made.

<crawfb5> is already doing it for his next draft.

Sep-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  SwitchingQuylthulg: The game hyperlinks are very, very ugly, and like <Karpova> said, they don't even help finding the game much.

I don't actually think they're such a bad idea, though; this just isn't the way to present them. If we used non-regular linking they'd fit right in - here, for instance...

<After Alekhine notched his 4th win in game 21- Capablanca vs Alekhine, 1927, Capablanca opined that "there can hardly be a stronger player in the world than the Slav master."11>

...if the words "game 21" were the link to the game, we could dispense with the ugly regular link. There are just such links in the old intros, so it's definitely technically possible - we'll just need some help from the admins.

Sep-19-13  crawfb5: <Daniel told us he would like to see some game hyperlinks in the body of the intros.>

As I recall, he said he liked a hyperlink when a specific game was mentioned. I don't think there's a need to stick in game hyperlinks just because the writer thinks they're "needed."

Sep-19-13  Karpova: If an intro was too long, I would eliminate such hyperlinks first, as they are the only dispensable part of the history page with links displayed on that very page anyway.

The solution proposed by <Switch> would be very elegant, no doubt. If it's not too much work.

Sep-19-13  crawfb5: < SwitchingQuylthulg: The game hyperlinks are very, very ugly, and like <Karpova> said, they don't even help finding the game much.

I don't actually think they're such a bad idea, though; this just isn't the way to present them. If we used non-regular linking they'd fit right in - here, for instance...

<After Alekhine notched his 4th win in game 21- Capablanca vs Alekhine, 1927, Capablanca opined that "there can hardly be a stronger player in the world than the Slav master."11>

...if the words "game 21" were the link to the game, we could dispense with the ugly regular link. There are just such links in the old intros, so it's definitely technically possible - we'll just need some help from the admins.>

Steinitz-Zukertort World Championship Match (1886) has one such link. I see how they did it and I do not believe we will need admin help to display it this way. We might not be able to do it in regular posts, but I don't see any problem for the intros.

I will experiment when I have more time, but for now let's assume we can unless experience proves otherwise.

Sep-19-13  crawfb5: <The solution proposed by <Switch> would be very elegant, no doubt. If it's not too much work.>

It won't be any more work than a regular hyperlink from the looks of it. I won't know if we can get it to display that way in drafts until I run some tests.

Sep-19-13
Premium Chessgames Member
  SwitchingQuylthulg: <crawfb5> Well, I've been kept in the dark as to what exactly we'll send to the admins :)

Obviously we can <make> such links without the admins' help (and, as you said, without much extra work), but will they go up? If so, excellent.

Sep-19-13  crawfb5: <Switch> Yes, Daniel has shown us where the files are stored, and we will take the file module for the intro section and replace the old text with new text as well as what additional HTML is needed to do anything else.

He should be able to replace the old file with our new file and it's done. I can post an example of what the old files look like, but I didn't think anybody would be interested in looking at HTML versions of the intros.

Our goal is make it as easy on the admins as possible to help move the process along.

Off to work. Back tonight.

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