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The Rapid tournament Le trophee Anatoly Karpov (Karpov Trophy) was played in Cap d'Agde, France 25 October - 2 November 2013, as part of the Cap d'Agde Chess Festival. Time control: 25 minutes for the whole game + 10 seconds per move from move 1. Official site with results: http://www.capechecs.com/resultats/.... TWIC: http://theweekinchess.com/chessnews.... Crosstable (preliminary, 25-31 October): 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08
1 Karpov ** 1½ ½1 1½ 11 ½½ 1½ 11 11
2 Bacrot 0½ ** ½½ ½½ 1½ ½½ 11 11 9
3 Ivanchuk ½0 ½½ ** ½1 ½1 ½½ ½½ ½1 8
4 Pelletier 0½ ½½ ½0 ** 0½ ½1 11 11 8
5 Muzychuk 00 0½ ½0 1½ ** 11 ½1 11 8
6 Sebag ½½ ½½ ½½ ½0 00 ** 11 11 7½
7 Zhao Xue 0½ 00 ½½ 00 ½0 00 ** 11 4
8 Maisuradze 00 00 ½0 00 00 00 00 ** ½
The four best would advance to a knock-out final, so 3rd and 4th place had to be decided by a playoff (3 min + 2 sec, 31 October):1 Ivanchuk ** 01 11 3
2 Muzychuk 10 ** 11 3
3 Pelletier 00 00 ** 0
Karpov, Bacrot, Ivanchuk and Muzychuk advanced to the knock-out final (25 min + 10 sec). There was also a 3 min + 2 sec playoff Ivanchuk vs M Muzychuk, 2013 (1/2) and M Muzychuk vs Ivanchuk, 2013 (0-1). In the semifinals, Karpov defeated Muzychuk (M Muzychuk vs Karpov, 2013 1/2, Karpov vs M Muzychuk, 2013 1-0) and Bacrot defeated Ivanchuk (Bacrot vs Ivanchuk, 2013 1-0, Ivanchuk vs Bacrot, 2013 0-1). Then in the final (2 November), Bacrot defeated Karpov (Karpov vs Bacrot, 2013 1/2, Bacrot vs Karpov, 2013 1/2, Karpov vs Bacrot, 2013 0-1, Bacrot vs Karpov, 2013 1-0). The latter two games were 3 min + 2 sec Blitz. Photo of winner: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/05/96/1c/...
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| Oct-31-13 | | Karpova: According to the official site, there will be a double round-robin play-off between Muzychuk, Pelletier and Ivanchuk with time control 3 min + 2 sec at 21:00. Link: http://www.capechecs.com/resultats/... |
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| Oct-31-13 | | tjipa: Since FIDE rates rapid and blitz tournaments, we can judge quite accurately players' strength with those time controls. Karpov's rapid rating is 2630. I guess, he will gain a bunch of points after this tournament, still it will be far from 2800. |
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Oct-31-13
 | | HeMateMe: There are enough average GMs in this event for Karpov to win based on his natural ability and depth of experience. This isn't a place where he has to evaluate new opening theory OTB against top 15 monsters or try to out calculate Aronian and Carlsen. I think he is winning with "natural" moves, like in that theoretically drawn endgame in which he beat Muzychuk. |
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| Oct-31-13 | | csmath: If you are interested in Karpov's relative strength in rapid or classical, the following tournament from 4 years ago is a good indication how he would fare against elite players: Zurich Champions Rapid (2009)
In terms of his classical/rapid/blitz more recent play, then this is probably good reference: http://en.chessbase.com/home/TabId/... http://en.chessbase.com/Home/TabId/... These are all more or less respectable results at about playing strength that can be nowadays expected from him. In my view his play here (Cap D'Agde) is about that level as well. He produced one nice game against Pelletier which I would say is at perhaps a "2700+ rapid level" but the rest of the games here are not of the same quality. Make no mistake, this is no Carlsen caliber. |
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| Oct-31-13 | | nok: Something would be wrong if the games of a 62-y.o. hobby player were Carlsen caliber. Still nice to see Borg play and win with his wooden racket. |
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| Oct-31-13 | | geeker: Playoff: Pelletier eliminated, Ivanchuk and Muzychuk through to semis. |
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| Oct-31-13 | | Everett: <Most definitely, I agree with <csmath> that Karpov in his sixties would be hard put to compete at super-GM level; despite his ferocious competitive instinct, his stamina would indeed be lacking and was never his strongest point, even at his zenith.> C'mon <perfidious>. Karpov only had "stamina problems" if the match lasted over 24 games, and only against two great players, Kasparov and Korchnoi. Otherwise he had lapses here and there, but nothing systemic until after 1990. |
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Oct-31-13
 | | perfidious: <Everett>: How about Karpov-Korchnoi Candidates Match (1974)? |
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| Oct-31-13 | | Everett: Like I said <Otherwise he had lapses here and there, but nothing systemic until after 1990.> nothing systemic, unless we take super-marathon matches. And in any case, he coasted after being up 3-0. More a conserving of energy mixed with confidence and laziness to me. BTW, are you familiar with the fact that Bronstein was integral in Korchnoi's ferocious comeback? Both wins, and the Black game where Korchnoi plays a reverse KG <!!!> were inspired by Korchnoi's late-match work with Bronstein. Mysteriously, Korchnoi refused Bronstein's help for the last three games. This is all according to <Secret Notes>. |
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| Oct-31-13 | | csmath: <And in any case, he coasted after being up 3-0. More a conserving of energy mixed with confidence and laziness to me.> Everett, I would bet that you have absolutely zero clue about any game from that match. |
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| Oct-31-13 | | Everett: <csmath: <And in any case, he coasted after being up 3-0. More a conserving of energy mixed with confidence and laziness to me.>
Everett, I would bet that you have absolutely zero clue about any game from that match.> I would bet you are a drooling 'tard who doesn't do much research. Just go to the kibitzes on games 19, 20, 21, and the match page. |
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| Nov-01-13 | | savagerules: So Ivanchuk makes it to the finals after all. I think he was fooling around in the early rounds and had to hustle to get to be a finalist. These rapid events are fun to watch but you can't take them too seriously. |
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| Nov-01-13 | | todicav23: It doesn't matter what you think. The man is a legend, world champion for 16 years, in top 3 greatest players ever. We won this tournament with a very high score, beating a 2750 and a 2730 in the process. He also won the same tournament last year. |
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| Nov-01-13 | | todicav23: <Billy Vaughan: <todicav23: <csmath> We get it, you are not a big fan of Karpov.>
How on earth do you read csmath's comments in this thread and come to that snide and reductive conclusion?> Why do you feel the need to defend <csmath>? The man is obviously biased against Karpov. He tried very hard to show that Karpov did not play anything and he was just lucky because his opponents blundered. Just check his comments on the games Karpov played this tournament. Some examples:
- "Karpov has achieved nothing in the opening nor in the middlegame". - "One player (Karpov) gets into completely lost position in 12 moves" - "Karpov has achieved nothing whatsoever"
- About Karpov's opponent: "Black lost totally equal position by playing self-obstructive moves" - "It was hard not to win it though since Maisuradze played suicidal chess" - "Karpov had achieved nothing just like in many other games in this tournament" - "Bacrot self-destructs"
<Billy Vaughan> Next time mind your own business. |
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| Nov-01-13 | | Billy Vaughan: <Why do you feel the need to defend <csmath>?> I don't know or particularly care about csmath. I only reacted because I found your post both crass and impertinent. Maybe instead of accusing him of bias and continuing with some bromide about how all games contain blunders, you could rebut him directly. <He tried very hard to show that Karpov did not play anything and he was just lucky because his opponents blundered. Just check his comments on the games Karpov played this tournament.> He tried very hard to show all that because he's absolutely right. Come on, is it not true that Ivanchuk totally blundered away his game against Karpov? Is it not true that M. Muzychuk had more or less equalized as black against Karpov before stepping all over her piece harmony? I dare you to prove any of csmath's statements wrong. Go ahead. <Next time mind your own business.> Welcome to the concept of a "forum". |
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 | | FSR: Karpov's 2619 rating is 261 points below Carlsen's 2870 rating, and 182 points below Aronian's 2801. http://www.2700chess.com/ It is fatuous to think that one good tournament by Karpov, mostly against players rated lower than he is, proves that he can still successfully compete against 2800 players. |
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| Nov-01-13 | | Everett: It is curious. There are many games in this tournament, and stronger players to follow here, yet some cannot help but focus on one particular player and criticize their play. Why choose this player exclusively for one's attention and ire? <User: csmath> Perhaps because some don't like him. Perhaps this kibitzer will hurry and kibitz on all the other games from this tournament, but as of now, it seems he has an noteworthy fixation on Karpov's games. |
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| Nov-01-13 | | nok: <It is fatuous to think that one good tournament by Karpov (...) proves that he can still successfully compete against 2800 players.> Strange strawman. No one says Karpov will proceed to spank Aronian and Carlsen. I just said <nice to see Borg play and win with his wooden racket.> |
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| Nov-01-13 | | Everett: <Nok>, I think <FSR> was citing your post, as much as some others on the thread saying he would be top 25, etc... but Im guessing here. |
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| Nov-01-13 | | GrandMaesterPycelle: It is clear that Karpov did win some of these games because his opponents blundered - after all the games are rapid, blunders will happen. It is equally obvious that with a +8 -0 =6 score, attributing his dominance in the tournament to sheer luck or to his opponents is ridiculous. In fact, the comments by csmath quoted above are just as insulting towards the other players. I don't think anyone will claim a good performance in a rapid tournament against moderate opposition means he could stand consistently at a super gm level. If he could, I imagine he would. But it is nice to see him win and play some nice games, such as his victory against Bacrot. |
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| Nov-01-13 | | The Rocket: How much did Karpov gain with his rapid elo, from this tournament? |
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| Nov-01-13 | | csmath: <The man is obviously biased against Karpov.> I am not biased against Karpov. I always respected Karpov and he is probably one of the players I know the best because I spent a ton of hours analyzing his games when I was younger. You made some presumptions without much connection to reality of my posts. |
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| Nov-01-13 | | MindCtrol9: I am really glad to see Karpov in ist place.I do not care what some players say about him like stamina,etc,etc.A tournament where GM's are participating like V. Ivanchuck,Bacrot,particiapte is telling me no matter what that Karpov being 62 can play good chess.The mistakes the people talk about is just fullisness due to the fact they are not computers programs,they are humans no machines. |
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| Nov-01-13 | | waustad: As they play the finals, Bacrot pretty thoroughly stomped Ivanchuk in the only game that I can find. This link works at the moment, but will probably refer to other games shortly. http://www.capechecs.com/direct.php |
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| Nov-01-13 | | Karpova: Karpov beat Muzychuk and reaches the final with 1.5-0.5 |
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