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Bronstein Memorial Tournament

Baadur Jobava7/9(+5 -0 =4)[view games]
Sergei Zhigalko6.5/9(+4 -0 =5)[view games]
Gabriel Sargissian6/8(+5 -1 =2)[view games]
Vladimir Akopian6/9(+4 -1 =4)[view games]
Sergey Fedorchuk6/8(+4 -0 =4)[view games]
Sergei Tiviakov6/9(+4 -1 =4)[view games]
Aleksandr Shimanov5.5/8(+3 -0 =5)[view games]
Eltaj Safarli5.5/8(+4 -1 =3)[view games]
Daniil Dubov5/8(+4 -2 =2)[view games]
Rauf Mamedov4.5/7(+2 -0 =5)[view games]
Boris Grachev4/7(+2 -1 =4)[view games]
Ivan Popov4/6(+2 -0 =4)[view games]
Ilya Smirin4/6(+3 -1 =2)[view games]
Yuri Kuzubov4/5(+3 -0 =2)[view games]
Mikhailo Oleksienko3.5/5(+2 -0 =3)[view games]
Alexander Khalifman3.5/6(+2 -1 =3)[view games]
Aleksandr Rakhmanov3/7(+1 -2 =4)[view games]
Igor Kovalenko3/5(+2 -1 =2)[view games]
Andrey Zhigalko2.5/5(+1 -1 =3)[view games]
Vasif Durarbayli2.5/5(+1 -1 =3)[view games]
Vladislav Tkachiev2.5/4(+1 -0 =3)[view games]
Ildar Khairullin2/3(+1 -0 =2)[view games]
Daniil Lintchevski2/5(+0 -1 =4)[view games]
Alexey Zenzera2/4(+1 -1 =2)[view games]
Vugar Rasulov2/4(+2 -2 =0)[view games]
Boris Chatalbashev2/5(+1 -2 =2)[view games]
Rinat Jumabayev1.5/2(+1 -0 =1)[view games]
Maksim Chigaev1.5/3(+1 -1 =1)[view games]
Alexandr Hilario Takeda dos Santos Fier1.5/3(+1 -1 =1)[view games]
(78 players total; 50 players not shown. Click here for longer list.)

 page 1 of 6; games 1-25 of 135  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. R Grib vs I Kovalenko  ½-½48 2014 Bronstein MemorialB11 Caro-Kann, Two Knights, 3...Bg4
2. T Harutyunian vs I Popov  0-157 2014 Bronstein MemorialD20 Queen's Gambit Accepted
3. E Romanov vs J Tihonov ½-½5 2014 Bronstein MemorialB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
4. E Safarli vs A Obodchuk 1-026 2014 Bronstein MemorialA07 King's Indian Attack
5. D Gevorgyan vs Smirin 0-135 2014 Bronstein MemorialE60 King's Indian Defense
6. Y Kuzubov vs I Yagupov  1-038 2014 Bronstein MemorialD44 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
7. S Fedorchuk vs P Vorontsov  ½-½59 2014 Bronstein MemorialC07 French, Tarrasch
8. P Lomako vs Tiviakov  0-145 2014 Bronstein MemorialA22 English
9. Tkachiev vs M M Ivanov  1-041 2014 Bronstein MemorialE60 King's Indian Defense
10. A Shimanov vs N Ziaziulkina  1-043 2014 Bronstein MemorialA01 Nimzovich-Larsen Attack
11. E Kanter vs R Mamedov  0-143 2014 Bronstein MemorialA54 Old Indian, Ukrainian Variation, 4.Nf3
12. Jobava vs E Zaiatz 1-023 2014 Bronstein MemorialC44 King's Pawn Game
13. G Tunik vs Akopian 0-141 2014 Bronstein MemorialA61 Benoni
14. G Sargissian vs E Mochalov 1-048 2014 Bronstein MemorialE94 King's Indian, Orthodox
15. A Zenzera vs B Grachev  ½-½47 2014 Bronstein MemorialD30 Queen's Gambit Declined
16. S Zhigalko vs A Chos 1-042 2014 Bronstein MemorialB30 Sicilian
17. I Popov vs B Chatalbashev  ½-½40 2014 Bronstein MemorialB06 Robatsch
18. N Abasov vs E Safarli 0-166 2014 Bronstein MemorialA20 English
19. Tiviakov vs A Minasian  ½-½71 2014 Bronstein MemorialB10 Caro-Kann
20. V Sivuk vs Tkachiev  ½-½37 2014 Bronstein MemorialB52 Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack
21. O Bortnyk vs Khalifman ½-½13 2014 Bronstein MemorialC54 Giuoco Piano
22. D Dubov vs Balashov 1-033 2014 Bronstein MemorialE59 Nimzo-Indian, 4.e3, Main line
23. H Hayrapetyan vs Miroshnichenko  ½-½43 2014 Bronstein MemorialA41 Queen's Pawn Game (with ...d6)
24. E Gasanov vs M Oleksienko  ½-½82 2014 Bronstein MemorialA13 English
25. A Kveinys vs A Shimanov  ½-½27 2014 Bronstein MemorialE60 King's Indian Defense
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Feb-18-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: Botvinnik did not neglect the practical, to put it mildly, but I feel obligated to stand up for him as a creative player (though I don't want to take anything away from Bronstein in that regard). Here's a comment from IM Day:

<Botvinnik was a very interesting player in the 1960's--creative games in his pressure-free retirement years.>

Even before the 60s, if you look at the systems he developed (e.g. his Winawer games, his D44 games), he is doing more creative opening work than Lasker, Capablanca, Alekhine, and most of his successors too.

Feb-18-14  AsosLight: <Nosnibor>, I said that the score he had against other top players was better than the score Bronstein had despite being 13 year senior. Not that he had better score against anyone.
Feb-18-14  Everett: I can only agree with <keypusher>, regarding Botvinnik's own creativity, in his early and late career.

<Asoslight> what was Bronstein's score vs Geller? 5-5, including 3-1 during the 50's when Bronstein was at his most competitive (and the one loss having a bit of a cloud over it from Zurich '53)

I think other players stayed better for longer than Bronstein, and Sonas backs this up. It is a credit to the other players, and this should not be ignored. It also reflects the mixed feelings Bronstein had with competitive chess. He always seemed quite conflicted about it all, and this lack of clarity translated into weaker results over the long haul, and allowed others to surpass him.

Still love his chess, though.

Feb-18-14  AsosLight: OK mate Bronstein had a better score against Geller than Botvinnik. What is your point? Botvinnik had a better score against pretty much anybody else.

I don't know whether is a great idea to rely on Sonas in such occasions. His freakish idea to take into account inactivity as a punishment really destroyed everything, I am sorry.

Feb-18-14  Everett: <Asoslight> <What is your point?> My point is that you were being glib and imprecise.

And their records vs Petrosian is a wash, which is also inconvenient to your argument.

I'm not relying on just Sonas. And I suggest not relying on just age to take one player over another. Read the post again. More goes into thinking about careers than just won-lost vs similar opponents. In particular Botvinnik's and Bronstein's careers in the 50's alone were so vastly different as to seriously question any straight-up comparison of results.

The point of bringing up Sonas is to point out just how strong player like Botvinnik was, and for how long. Sure he picked his spots, milked his position, and saved his energy for important events and matches, all luxuries that his contemporaries could not afford. Yet nonetheless he used his advantages exceedingly well, and proved to be a great player for a long time. This comes down to his talent, his hard work, and his desire. Of course, before becoming WC, he was smashing nearly everyone of note convincingly.

In any case, they are both great players, Botvinnik and Bronstein, indispensable to the history of chess.

Feb-18-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Gypsy: <Botvinnik had a better score against pretty much anybody else.>

There are other exceptions, besides Geller; for instance, the exceptions include such greats as Korchnoi, Gligoric, Mikenas, Najdorf, Reshevsky, or Levenfish.

Feb-18-14  ACMEKINGKRUSHER: Botvinnik vs. Bronstein ?

What about 1951? Did the KGB "INFLUENCE" Bronstein into THROWING game 23 and thus The MATCH??? Just Wondering!?!! It has already been admitted that The RUSSIANS were "OUT TO GET" BOBBY FISCHER and IN FACT DID all they could to do so! So much that many of BOBBY's suggestions on game improvement ARE NOW IN EFFECT ! No more adjournments, ETC.

One would have to believe that in fact Bronstein accepted a deal that "He COULD NOT REFUSE" !!

ACMEKINGKRUSHER

Feb-19-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  Boomie: <Re: Bronstein throwing the Botvinnik match>

From the CG intro to the Botvinnik-Bronstein match, which is being rewritten as we speak:

<Bronstein has controversially hinted that there was government pressure on him to lose the match. In a 1993 interview he explained that "There was no direct pressure... But... there was the psychological pressure of the environment..." in part caused by his father's "several years in prison" and what he labels "the marked preference for the institutional Botvinnik." Bronstein concluded somewhat ambiguously that "it seemed to me that winning could seriously harm me, which does not mean that I deliberately lost." From Winter >http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...

From the same article, Bronstein indicated his favorite chess players were "Tartakower but, above all, Labourdonnais."

I don't think anyone would have guessed that...heh.

Feb-19-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: Bronstein is a kvetch.
Feb-19-14  AsosLight: <Everett> our discussion is: Bronstein vs Botvinnik. I said Botvinnik was clearly and substantially better in any given angle you may approach the debate. Bronstein though was a brilliant individual on his own.

Do you have a different opinion? Can you back your opinion with data? If not sorry but I am not a lonely inmate seeking for company, look somewhere else.

Feb-19-14  AsosLight: OK <Gypsy> you made it clear. I retreat my argument as wrong.

Botvinnik had not a better score than Bronstein against all or the overwhelming majority of the major players of their era. There are notable cases where it is the other way around.

Feb-19-14  Everett: <AsosLight> your posts indicate you are not comprehending what I'm saying. To me, it is not a contest, and even if it were, I've offered plenty of material to consider beyond numbers.

Assessing the value of human lives goes behind numbers, ratios, and equations.

Feb-19-14  AsosLight: Great. So you belong to this "emotional" category. Cool, this is subjective.
Feb-19-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <Everett: Assessing the value of human lives goes behind numbers, ratios, and equations.>

So it does; and for this we should be thankful.

Feb-19-14  Everett: < AsosLight: Great. So you belong to this "emotional" category. Cool, this is subjective.>

I don't belong to any category of your devising. You attempt to make boxes of winners and losers, and I'm saying no to that. You like using numbers, but use them just as subjectively as the most "emotional" person.

Of course, your choice to use only mathematical measurement is subjective, and as <Gypsy> pointed out, not well supported by research.

Both great players though. Let's enjoy their games and careers.

Feb-19-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <Everett> One trait which I have noticed amongst those who retreat behind numbers and stats in everything, managing to stay cool and unemotional, is that when their bubbles are burst-when they finally realise everything in life cannot thus be quantified-that they have a tendency to go into a rage, that very state which they decried while trying to maintain the pretence of being above silly emotionalism.

We need look no farther than some of the tirades of <Overgod> for pristine examples of this charming phenomenon.

Feb-19-14  nok: <You like using numbers, but use them just as subjectively as the most "emotional" person.> The story of CG.
Feb-19-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  jamesmaskell: Strong performance by Alexey Sarana finishing 22nd with 5.5/9 and wins against K Grigoryan, Balashov, Iordachescu and Chatalbashev. Picks up 58 Elo, smashing 2300.
Feb-24-14  madlydeeply: Bronstein's games are way more funner. but Botvinnik's off board "iron will" to power is fun, too. Fischer learned a lot from Botvinnik's "Iron Will" and thus his drive to the top included mucho mucho psychout. I'm pretty sure my incredible comment will put this discussion to rest. Your welcome.
Feb-24-14  Everett: <madlydeeply>
I think a line can be made connecting Botvinnik, Fischer and Kasparov. Even though their styles on the board were different, the preparation, intensity and will to win were the same.
Feb-24-14  madlydeeply: <Everett> hmm… Fischer and Kasparov follow one Botvinnik line… by creating their own off board hysteria… whereas Karpov followed a divergent Botvinnik line… by inheriting the political structure he created, with all it's benefits. I love thinking puzzling over the politics… puzzling, puzzling…
Feb-24-14  madlydeeply: But the true inheritor of Fischer's anti establishment heroism is Korchnoi… defector and valiant anti-communist warrior!
Feb-25-14  Everett: < madlydeeply: But the true inheritor of Fischer's anti establishment heroism is Korchnoi… defector and valiant anti-communist warrior!>

Yes, that's a good comparison on character, agreed.

Feb-26-14
Premium Chessgames Member
  kingscrusher: Some interesting games of Jobava (who shared first with two others but won on tiebreak apparently):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAHv...

Chessbase report:
http://en.chessbase.com/post/three-...

Mar-02-14  waustad: Here's the Diaz response: http://www.chessvibes.com/romantic-...
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