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David Janowski vs Johann Nepomuk Berger
Karlsbad (1907), Karlsbad (Karlovy Vary) AUH, rd 14, Sep-07
Queen Pawn Game: Krause Variation (D02)  ·  1-0


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May-07-04  Ed Caruthers: I like 32.Qxe6 better than Janowski’s move.
32…fxe6; 33.Ng6#
32…Nc8; 33.Rxh6+, gxh6; 34.Qxh6+
32…Ng6; 33.Nxg6+, fxg6; 34. Qxg6, Rf6; 35.Rxh6+ again. 32…g6; 33.Ng5xf7+, Rxf7; 34.Nxf7+, Kg7 (34…Kh7; 35.Rxh6+, Kg7; 36.Rh8, Qxf7; 37.Rh7+); 35.Qe5+,Kxf7; 36.Rf4#
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  Gypsy: <I like 32.Qxe6 better than Janowski?s move. 32?fxe6; 33.Ng6# > 33...Nxg6.
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  Chessical: <EdCaruthers> There is no mate after <32.Qxe6?> 33.fxe6 Ng6 <34.Nxg6>
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  beenthere240: It's annoying to have put Feeble Bloviator on ignore only to still have to read everyone's continued replies to him!
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  kevin86: To <Ferocious Beast et al> "Can't we all get along?"-Rodney King-1994

I enjoy the problem set up of black's major pieces on the king side. It's also rather predictable that white would deliver the knockout punch with two knights.

May-07-04  tud: How about 32 Qxe6 fxe6 33 Rxe7 ?
May-07-04  capanegra: <tud> 33...Rxf2+ followed by 34...g6.
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  crafty: 32. ♕xe6 fxe6 33. ♖xe7 ♖xf2+ 34. ♔h3 ♕f8 35. ♘g6+ ♔g8   (eval -6.27; depth 16 ply; 500M nodes)
May-07-04  myratingstinks: don't know about the rest of you, but I jealously guard my knights for endgames like this.
Premium Chessgames Member 32.Qb2 is just as good as 32.Qc3, but from what we've seen there aren't any other moves which force an immediate result.
May-07-04  chessmantra: I agree with <myratingstinks> Knights for endgames become highly important for a checkmate, specially when everything is stacked up in one corner :-) and nobody has a place to move wildly all over the board ... I tried all the combinations except Qxe6 ... Oh, I should have guessed this !!! ... Thanks <crafty>
May-07-04  mikhs: I see that FerociousBeast received a dose of his own medicine today from Avenger....How does it feel ?
May-07-04  morphyvsfischer: Hey, look! Janowski gave up his Bishop pair!
May-07-04  alphee: What about 32.♕xe6 f7xe6 33♖xe7 ♖xe7 34.♘g9#. It came easily as I thought the mate should be given by a Knight due to the fortress protecting the King. I didn't look to much for an other solution as this one was the first ... too lucky may be. It seems that <crafty> is not very far from that.
May-07-04  Helping Hand: Guys, for those of you looking at 32. Qxe6, look at crafty's line carefully. It shows a huge advantage for Black, not White (as indicated by the minus sign in front of the 6.27).
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  Chessical: <Alphee> Or unfortunately not lucky enough. Your line does not work, due to the weakness of f2:

<32.Qxe6> fxe6 33.Rxe7 <Rxf2+> 34.Kh3 Qf8 35.Ng6+ Kg8 36.Nxf8 Bxe7 37.Nfxe6 hxg5

May-07-04  pawntificator: I must admit I thought for a few moments, and decided 32. Qxe6 must be the move. I am humbled. Still, in a game I may have played it anyway, just to see if I could fluster my opponent.
May-08-04  alphee: <Chessical:> true, Thank you for the lesson!
Jul-05-04  ruylopez900: 32.Nexf7+ looks very nice, it seems that black will have to give up their queen, until I realise that the Rook will capture first. Darn :)
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  RayDelColle: Why not 3) ... Q a5 ch; then snag the pawn?
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  Phony Benoni: <RayDelColle: Why not 3) ... Q a5 ch; then snag the pawn?>

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It's not unplayable, but I think it's generally avoided because players mistrust lines where the queen is developed in the center of the board without a definite reason. True, there is no effective way for White to bother the queen, but she is still in the way (for instance, the ♗f8 can't go to b4 or c5) and is not doing anything constructive.

Instead, Black generally plays 3...e6. This move will probably be played anyway, and the bishop reaches a good spot on c5 without loss of time. A lot of strategy in the Queen's Gambit revolves around enticing the opponent to play dxc before the bishop is developed so the bishop can recapture without losing a move.

There are times when the ...Qa5/...Qxc5 idea is played. For example, there is a common line in the Pirc after <1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3 c5 6.dxc5 Qa5 7.Bd3 Qxc5>

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In this position, the ♗f8 is already developed to g7, and the ♕c5 has seized a good diagonal and inhibits White's development.

So why not fianchetto the ♗f8 after 3...Qa5+ and 4...Qxc5? That's another way to play it, but there might be a problem with the ♙d5. If White can organize some pressure on it, Black might need to play ...e6 at some point, which leaves a lot of holes when coupled with ...g6. In the Pirc line, the d-pawn is not as exposed.

In sum, I don't think that your idea is going to lose the game by itself. The reason that it's avoided is that 3...e6 and ...Bxc5 is simply considered a better alternative.

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  RayDelColle: David, Thanks for your very thoughtful, insightful and generous analysis! very much appreciated! Be Well! Fair Winds and Smooth Sailing! Namaste!
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  TheFocus: At Carlsbad, Janowski split the third brilliancy prize of 200 crowns for this game.

See <American Chess Bulletin>, November 1907, pg. 216.

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  TheFocus: At Carlsbad, Mieses split the third brilliancy prize of 200 crowns for this game.

See <American Chess Bulletin>, November 1907, pg. 216.

Feb-08-16  zanzibar: <Focus> What's Mieses got to do with this game?
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