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|Sep-26-05|| ||Averageguy: Yates commits strategical suicide! What was with the 11...f5 move??|
|Sep-26-05|| ||aw1988: To increase control of e4, but you are right, it's a horrible move.|
|Dec-04-05|| ||Saruman: One of the first endings i studied.|
|Feb-04-06|| ||Tariqov: <Bobak Zahmat>i don't think so, any amateur with chess knowledge would certainly play Ne5, it is a hole in the positon,there is no key move everything was simple ,(converting his positonal advantage to a win,simple plan,he just executed well)Black just made a mistake it had nothing to do with Ne5.|
|Feb-12-07|| ||Yurgen: A single black pawn on move 32 would have won the game instantly :)
I never understood why this move never occurred to Yates and anybody else. Black Pawn G7-G5 = checkmate.|
|Feb-12-07|| ||Tomlinsky: <Yurgen> It doesn't I'm afraid.|
|Feb-12-07|| ||Yurgen: Are you sure Tomlinsky? What`s the king`s next move then? after pawn g7-g5 ?|
|Feb-12-07|| ||Yurgen: my mistake :)|
|Apr-14-07|| ||gambitfan: very instructive game ; similar to Shamkovich vs Anguiano, 1978|
|Aug-19-07|| ||Dr. Siggy: <Yurgen>: <A single black pawn on move 32 would have won the game instantly :) I never understood why this move never occurred to Yates and anybody else. Black Pawn G7-G5 = checkmate.> Not at all! If 32... g5+, then 33. hxg6 'en passant'. An oversight?...|
|Aug-19-07|| ||Dr. Siggy: In my patzer's opinion, the best comments to this positional gem by Alekhine are in Tarrasch's great classic "The Game of Chess". Allow me to reproduce the most instructive ones:|
About 11... f5? - "[...] Particularly in cramped positions must you guard against such weakening moves. They are almost invariably pawn moves. [...]"
About 13... b5? - "The same mistake on the other flank! [...]"
About 14. Bxd5! - "[...] The Bishop is the stronger piece as a rule but it is not stronger than a Knight which is posted in the centre. Moreover, Black's Knights must be removed so that when White's Knight gets to e5 or c5 it cannot be exchanged."
About 18. Qxc5! - "[...] weak points or 'holes' in the opponent's position must be occupied by pieces and not by pawns. (...)"
After 19... b4 - White has now a decided advantage in force, space and time. In force, since he has a Knight which, as it will immediately take up the classical position in the centre, supported by a pawn and unassailable, is stronger than a Bishop. In space, since he commands the only open file. In time, since he has developed two pieces and Black none at all (apart from castling, which I don't count here since both players have done it."
About 22. f3 - "Now it is a question of bringing the King into play."
About 27. Rc7 - "At last the Rook gets in on the seventh rank, a move which we [...] already know to be decisive."
About 34. Rcc7 - "White has at last secured the doubling of his Rooks on the seventh rank. This doubling nearly always leads to a catastrophe."
|Jan-16-08|| ||Amarande: Further notes:
* If Black tries instead 32 ... Be2 (which does, indeed, hold out longer however, as it pulls a White piece away from mating threats) then White plays 33 Ng6, 34 Nh4, 35 Ke5 and still wins - once the e-pawn falls it's over anyway.
* The comments of White winning a whole Rook after 38 Ke5 are actually somewhat overrated. In fact in addition to losing the Exchange, Black will still soon succumb to mate no matter what; the simplest line is as follows: 38 ... f4 39 Kxf6 (threatens mate in three) Rf8+ 40 Kg6 (the simplest but something else might be faster) Rg8 41 Rxg8+ Kxg8 42 Ra7 Bc8 43 exf4 Kf8 44 Kxh6 Kg8 45 Kg6 Kf8 46 h6 Kg8 47 h7+ Kh8 48 Ra8 e5 49 Rxc8#.
|Sep-19-08|| ||jaydes: <Dr.Siggy> : What does Tarrasch say about handling cramped positions? It's usually recommended that one exchange pieces to relieve the cramp but in this game, that was easier said than done.|
|Sep-19-08|| ||Calli: 26.Nd7 wins quietly since White will then capture the a-pawn with Nb6. But if Alekhine had played that, there would not be as much kibitzing.|
|Dec-22-08|| ||WhiteRook48: The king takes a walk... and a decisive one too.|
|Jun-23-09|| ||WhiteRook48: 38 Ke5!! forces the rook back to f8, and the rooks on the seventh rank will take over|
|Nov-08-09|| ||gauer: Does anyone know which of this game or Tarrasch vs Reti, 1922 1-0 was the stem idea in this theme? The Twin to this Aggressive King that seeks to rule the dark squares, & that Rook of his sure looks as if he is not getting off of the Hangman's trap-door in the floor anytime soon.|
|Oct-30-10|| ||Ulhumbrus: Instead of 11...f5 as played, Lasker's comment on the position after the move 11...Nf8 is <Black will now slowly gain ground and beat back any attack since his position is void of weak spots.> (Lasker's manual of chess, Dover paperbacks, page 103, second column)|
Lasker does not specify exactly how Black will gain ground and exactly which ground Black will gain or try to take, and one game which Lasker lost from a similar pawn formation is the game Capablanca vs Lasker, 1921
One conceivable way for Black to gain ground is to play ...Qf6 and then ...Nf4 if White advances his e3 pawn to e4. White has not played e4 yet, however, and this suggests that Lasker believes that the exact ground which Black either gains or is advised well to try to take depends on White's choices.
Furthermore Capablanca says repeatedly in his book "Chess fundamentals" that chess cannot be learnt from a book alone, and if Lasker holds the same view, this suggests that Lasker expects his readers to gain practice in playing from the Black side of this position, and trying to gain ground.
|Aug-24-11|| ||kingscrusher: I have video annotated this game here:
|Mar-26-12|| ||andrej1tomas: sOLUTION Rff8 - Rh7+
Kg8 - Rcg7#
|Apr-11-12|| ||Tigranny: <kingscrusher> Your video of this game is one of my favorites of the instructive game series.|
|Sep-19-12|| ||Llawdogg: Thanks kingscrusher. Great video.|
|Feb-05-14|| ||Cemoblanca: "In the beginning of the game ignore the search for combinations, abstain from violent moves, aim for small advantages, accumulate them, and only after having attained these ends search for the combination – and then with all the power of will and intellect, because then the combination must exist, however deeply hidden." ~ Emanuel Lasker|
Source: +The+Most+Instructive+Games+of+Chess+Ever+Played">http://www.amazon.com/Most-Instruct... (GAME TWENTY-FOUR, Page 104)
|Feb-05-14|| ||Karpova: <Cemoblanca>
This quote is originally from <Lasker's Manual of Chess> (4th Book, Chapter 'The Evolution of the Theory of Steinitz'), e. g. pp. 160-161 of the 21st Century Edition (Russell Enterprises, 2010). Lasker introduces this part as Steinitz' maxim.
|Feb-05-14|| ||Cemoblanca: <Karpova> I had read that part on Wikipedia:|
Well, I didn't want to put as a source, because I am currently reading the above mentioned book & was exactly at page 104. ;) However, thanks for the info.
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