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| Apr-02-04 |
| karlzen: Muffang destroys his good position almost immediately after getting it, when first exchanging queens (!) and then gladely weakening his dark squares by Bxg5. (In that game:) 15...f6 16.Bh4 a5 (or a variation on the theme: 16...Nb4 17.Rdd1 a5 when a3 can be met by a4) was the least bad when he gets some space and can hope for 17.a4?! (a3) when black gets the b4-square for his knights: 17...Nb4 18.Rdd1 N6d5 19.Bg3 b6 20.Bc4 Rd8 21.Nc3 Bd6 and black fights on. 11...f6 (instead of Re8 in the Muffang game) is a move I considered in my original analysis of the positions in the Alekhine-Yates game. I just got a crazy idea, that those familiar with the Rubinstein variation (this var.) of QGD will recognise: 12.h4!?? fxg5!? (tempting; N7b6 looks good though) 13.hxg5 g6 14.Rh6 (might be waste of time) 14...Rf7 15.Rch1 Bf8 16.Rh3 b5?! 17.Nd6 Rg7 18.Bxd5 (not 18.Rxh7 Bxd6! 19.Rh8+ Kf7 20.Bxd5 cxd5 21.Qc6 Qc7! 22.Qxa8 Nb6) 18...cxd5 19.Nxc8 Qxa2 20.Rxh7! Qc4+ (20...Rxh7 21.Qxg6+ Rg7 22.Qxe6+ Rf7 23.Nd2!) 21.Qxc4 bxc4 22.Rh8+ Kf7 23.Nd6+ Ke7 24.Nb5 Rb8 25.Nxa7 Rxb2+ 26.Ke1 c3 27.Nc6+ Kd6 28.Nce5 Nxe5 29.dxe5+ Kd7 (29...Ke7 30.Nd4) 30.Rxf8 Rb1+ 31.Ke2 Rxh1 32.Kd3 Rc1 33.Nd4 Rh7 34.Nb3 and I believe draw is a likely result! :) That's the result when there's nothing on TV! Back to reality: 12.Bh4 N7b6 13.Bb3 Nb4 and black has counter-play. So if Qa5+ was good without Re8, it must be promising with the extra move! (as apparently Alekhine thought). The reason why I chose Kf1 (planning h3, Kg1-h2 perhaps) instead of Ke2, was that I did not like the idea of putting the king on d2 after a diagonal check. 15...Ba6!? 16.Qc6 Nb6 17.Qc7 Qxc7 18.Rxc7 Rec8 19.Rfc1 Rxc7 20.Rxc7 Rc8? and 21.Rxa7 looks like a slight improvement. :) Instead: 19...Nc4(!) 20.Rxc8+ Rxc8 21.Rc2 b4 and black may be able to hold the position. |
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Apr-02-04
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| artemis: <karlzen> in your alteration to my third line, 21. Rxa7 does not look to promising to me. 21...Rc1+ pins a knight and gives black counter play, an adequate exchange for the pawn, in the other variation, black holds the pawn, but has no chance at counter play. In your second variation, (19... Nc4) 20. Rxc8 Rxc8 21. b3 Nb6 22. Rxc8 Bxc8 23. Ne5 and the position is very similar to my variation. b4 would be neccessary, followed by a3 to keep the pawns away from the bishop. |
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| Apr-03-04 |
| karlzen: <artemis>, 15...Ba6!? 16.Qc6 Nb6 17.Qc7 Qxc7 18.Rxc7 Rec8 19.Rfc1 Nc4 20.Rxc8+ Rxc8 21.b3 Nxd2 is better: 22.Rxc8+ Bxc8 23.Nxd2 b4! now the bishop won't be as bad as in the other lines, for example: 24.Nf3 Ba6 25.Ne5 Bb5! the bishop takes the knights all squares and he's safe: 26.h4 Kf8 27.f3 Ke7 28.Kf2 Kf6 29.g4 h6 30.Kg3 g5=. One must not exaggerate the importance of an outpost in the centre if all squares are controlled by the enemy - who's dominating who? :) 15...Ba6!? 16.Qc6 Nb6 17.Qc7 Qxc7 18.Rxc7 Rec8 19.Rfc1 Rxc7 20.Rxc7 Rc8? 21.Rxa7 (avoiding this is playing too cowardly in my opinion - one shall not see ghosts!) 21...Rc1+ 22.Nf1 Bc8 23.Ne5 Na4 24.Nd3 Rc2 25.Ra8 Nb6 (25...Rc7 26.b3 Nc3 27.a4 bxa4 28.bxa4 Kf7 29.h4 and Ng3 and I don't see how white can not win) 26.Ra5 Bd7 (26...Nd7 27.b3 Rc6 28.Nb4 Rb6 29.Ra8) 27.b3 (27.Ra6 Nc4 28.Ra8+ Kf7 29.Ra7 Ke8 30.b3 Nd2 31.h4 Ne4 32.a4 Rc3 33.Ne5 Nf6 34.Nd2 Rc1+ 35.Kh2) 27...Kf8 28.Nc5 Ke7 29.Ra7 Kd6 30.Rb7 Rxc5 31.dxc5+ Kxc5 32.Rb8 and white must win. Sorry for all the variations, I just had to show that white will not suffer from not having the N on f1 in play for a while, black's pieces are too lousy. |
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Apr-03-04
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| artemis: <karlzen> in your first variation, I agree that the bishop would be better than in other lines, but I would gladly take white's position in this endgame. After the bishop moves to b5 imagine the king getting to e5. Black would not have adequate play to prevent the king or the knight from penetrating, perhaps one, but I doubt both, but I will need to analyze this more closely To your second variation, I was merely explaining my reasoning about the second rook trade. While your lines seem sound (I have not analyzed them too thoroughly as of yet, but I will ;) ) The rook trade is the easiest line to win with the least chances of complications. |
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| Apr-04-04 |
| karlzen: <artemis>, of course I agree that black is the one struggling for a draw in all these lines, however, it may not always be as difficult as one may think. Back in Alehine's days, not many people knew how to defend real tough as most high-levelers do today. I can't imagine a leading GM losing that position with black. How is the white king getting to e5? Sure I can imagine it, but it's not really realistic here. Black will simply play g5 and there's nothing white can do about it. Thus h4 is essential to prevent g5, but then black will play his king to e7 and g6,h6,g5 after or before Ke5. The important thing here is that if white does not immediately play Nf3-e5, black will play Ba6-d3 tying the knight to the defence of the queenside pawns. That is also the reasonening behind b5-b4. The bishop is not all that bad anymore. :) Concerning Rxa7: I understand that you think it's easiest just to exchange and get the better ending, but sometimes the only way to use your advantage is to convert it to material. The position "requires" it, it wants you to grab the a7-pawn. I can't swear that white is winning the 2N vs. B+N endgame (I'm thinking about technical issues such as 22...Na4 23.b4 (Nd3) Nc3 when white has a tough time getting the N off c3), but I can swear that white wins with a pawn more and a passed pawn on that! |
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| Aug-13-04 |
| aw1988: WOW! Notice how Alekhine neutralizes EVERYTHING Yates does! Petrosian should have seen this game! |
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Sep-13-04
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| Knight13: <9. Bd3 dxc4> With this move and the next balck has a fair chance of achieving euality. Other lines are less promising, e.g.
(1) 9 ... P-QR3 (in order to get counter-play on the queen side by 10 ... PxP 11 BxP, P-Qkt4 12 B-Q3, P-B4) 10 PxP!, KPxP (not 10 ... KtxP 11 BxPch winning a pawn) and the position is in white's favor.
(2) 9 ... P-KR3 10 B-B4!, P-R3 11 PxP!, KtxP 12 KtxKt, KPxKT 13 O-O, Kt-B3 14 P-R3, and white canplay for the minority attack by R-Kt1, P-QKt4, P-QR4 and P-Kt5, with a good winning chance. <14. Bxd5!> Very good move! Alekhine just gets rid of a Knight that is posted strongly in the center, and perate on the open file. <36. Nb6> A good move here. If gxf6 then 37. Rh7 mates. <38. Ke5!> Black resigned because if 38... Rf8, he is mated 39 Rh7+ Kg8 38. Rg7#. Or white wins a whole rook. Nice game by Alekhine! |
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| Nov-03-04 |
| Bobak Zahmat: The key move is 21.Ne5 after that it is about finishing the game properly. |
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| Sep-26-05 |
| Averageguy: Yates commits strategical suicide! What was with the 11...f5 move?? |
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| Sep-26-05 |
| aw1988: To increase control of e4, but you are right, it's a horrible move. |
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| Dec-04-05 |
| Saruman: One of the first endings i studied. |
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| Feb-04-06 |
| Tariqov: <Bobak Zahmat>i don't think so, any amateur with chess knowledge would certainly play Ne5, it is a hole in the positon,there is no key move everything was simple ,(converting his positonal advantage to a win,simple plan,he just executed well)Black just made a mistake it had nothing to do with Ne5. |
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| Feb-12-07 |
| Yurgen: A single black pawn on move 32 would have won the game instantly :)
I never understood why this move never occurred to Yates and anybody else. Black Pawn G7-G5 = checkmate. |
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| Feb-12-07 |
| Tomlinsky: <Yurgen> It doesn't I'm afraid. |
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| Feb-12-07 |
| Yurgen: Are you sure Tomlinsky? What`s the king`s next move then? after pawn g7-g5 ? |
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| Feb-12-07 |
| Yurgen: my mistake :) |
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Apr-14-07
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| gambitfan: very instructive game ; similar to Shamkovich vs Anguiano, 1978 |
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| Aug-19-07 |
| Dr. Siggy: <Yurgen>: <A single black pawn on move 32 would have won the game instantly :) I never understood why this move never occurred to Yates and anybody else. Black Pawn G7-G5 = checkmate.> Not at all! If 32... g5+, then 33. hxg6 'en passant'. An oversight?... |
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| Aug-19-07 |
| Dr. Siggy: In my patzer's opinion, the best comments to this positional gem by Alekhine are in Tarrasch's great classic "The Game of Chess". Allow me to reproduce the most instructive ones: About 11... f5? - "[...] Particularly in cramped positions must you guard against such weakening moves. They are almost invariably pawn moves. [...]" About 13... b5? - "The same mistake on the other flank! [...]" About 14. Bxd5! - "[...] The Bishop is the stronger piece as a rule but it is not stronger than a Knight which is posted in the centre. Moreover, Black's Knights must be removed so that when White's Knight gets to e5 or c5 it cannot be exchanged." About 18. Qxc5! - "[...] weak points or 'holes' in the opponent's position must be occupied by pieces and not by pawns. (...)" After 19... b4 - White has now a decided advantage in force, space and time. In force, since he has a Knight which, as it will immediately take up the classical position in the centre, supported by a pawn and unassailable, is stronger than a Bishop. In space, since he commands the only open file. In time, since he has developed two pieces and Black none at all (apart from castling, which I don't count here since both players have done it." About 22. f3 - "Now it is a question of bringing the King into play." About 27. Rc7 - "At last the Rook gets in on the seventh rank, a move which we [...] already know to be decisive." About 34. Rcc7 - "White has at last secured the doubling of his Rooks on the seventh rank. This doubling nearly always leads to a catastrophe." |
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| Jan-16-08 |
| Amarande: Further notes:
* If Black tries instead 32 ... Be2 (which does, indeed, hold out longer however, as it pulls a White piece away from mating threats) then White plays 33 Ng6, 34 Nh4, 35 Ke5 and still wins - once the e-pawn falls it's over anyway. * The comments of White winning a whole Rook after 38 Ke5 are actually somewhat overrated. In fact in addition to losing the Exchange, Black will still soon succumb to mate no matter what; the simplest line is as follows: 38 ... f4 39 Kxf6 (threatens mate in three) Rf8+ 40 Kg6 (the simplest but something else might be faster) Rg8 41 Rxg8+ Kxg8 42 Ra7 Bc8 43 exf4 Kf8 44 Kxh6 Kg8 45 Kg6 Kf8 46 h6 Kg8 47 h7+ Kh8 48 Ra8 e5 49 Rxc8#. |
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| Sep-19-08 |
| jaydes: <Dr.Siggy> : What does Tarrasch say about handling cramped positions? It's usually recommended that one exchange pieces to relieve the cramp but in this game, that was easier said than done. |
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Sep-19-08
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| Calli: 26.Nd7 wins quietly since White will then capture the a-pawn with Nb6. But if Alekhine had played that, there would not be as much kibitzing. |
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| Dec-22-08 |
| WhiteRook48: The king takes a walk... and a decisive one too. |
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| Jun-23-09 |
| WhiteRook48: 38 Ke5!! forces the rook back to f8, and the rooks on the seventh rank will take over |
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| Nov-08-09 |
| gauer: Does anyone know which of this game or Tarrasch vs Reti, 1922 1-0 was the stem idea in this theme? The Twin to this Aggressive King that seeks to rule the dark squares, & that Rook of his sure looks as if he is not getting off of the Hangman's trap-door in the floor anytime soon. |
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