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Robert James Fischer vs Viktor Korchnoi
Curacao Candidates (1962)  ·  Pirc Defense: Austrian Attack (B09)  ·  0-1
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Sep-25-11
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  perfidious: <Simon> Found some games with 9....Qb4 in the DB; this is an early one, though White's play was very weak: H Ree vs Suttles, 1968.

Given Suttles' penchant for trying offbeat lines, it figures he'd the first to have a go!

Oct-28-11  Dybbuk: I have the the Keene and Botterill hardback ('73) -- in perfect condition, no less. Pulled it off of my most remote 9-foot bookshelf after withdrawing from chess for 35 years to make a living. Just getting back and relearning the Pirc using a Vigus book, but I like to compare with my books from the early '70s (P-K4, P-Q3). I'll try to remember to take a look at 9...Qb4 and respond when I get a chance after returning home to Atlanta after Thanksgiving (currently traveling).
Nov-30-11  King Death: Fischer could have given up on this one a little while before he did, but he was probably shellshocked. Instead of his lemon 13.g4, Bf3 looks better but White doesn't seem to have any advantage in this line that's similar to the classical variation against the Sicilian Dragon.
Oct-22-12  drnooo: of all his rivals, Korchnoi had to be Fischer's most interesting. And not only because he could never demonstrate the slightest superiority over him. Look at Sousse for instance: even there when Fischer was approaching the best of his chess, nada. Or the blitz contest, more nada.
Probably because Korchnoi was one those who approached Fischer utterly without fear. Utterly. Ok, pal, show me what you got. He matched, in fact might have been the ONLY one who did throughout both of their careers, in sheer will to fight to the last pawn, clang clang clang, to mix the metaphor, their swords banging deafeningly on each other.

What a guy.

Oct-22-12
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  harrylime: < drnooo: of all his rivals, Korchnoi had to be Fischer's most interesting. And not only because he could never demonstrate the slightest superiority over him. Look at Sousse for instance: even there when Fischer was approaching the best of his chess, nada. Or the blitz contest, more nada. Probably because Korchnoi was one those who approached Fischer utterly without fear. Utterly. Ok, pal, show me what you got. He matched, in fact might have been the ONLY one who did throughout both of their careers, in sheer will to fight to the last pawn, clang clang clang, to mix the metaphor, their swords banging deafeningly on each other. What a guy.>

lol

Fischer had korchnoi's number by at least 1967 .. And probably earlier...

It's a shame they did'nt meet in the candidates in '70 .. Fischer would have put your BS to bed ..

Oct-22-12
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  lost in space: It was Fischer himself who sad that he do not understand the way Kortchnoi plays. Very uncertain how a match would have ended. I think from 1970 to 1972 Fischer was superior - but before and afterwards?
Oct-22-12
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  harrylime: < lost in space>

Fischer surpassed Korchnoi comfortably around 1965..

Fischer stopped playing after 72' ..

Nov-14-12
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  Travis Bickle: Korchnoi said he always felt Fischer was better than him, but Victor said he had good results against Fischer & many champions. I think Korchnoi Fischer may have been more interesting than Fischer Karpov 1975.
Nov-14-12
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  perfidious: <Travis> Wade, in his closing comment to another of the Fischer-Korchnoi slugfests in his 1972 collection, wrote words to the effect that seeing Korchnoi as Fischer's opponent in the '71 Candidates final instead would have been a clash of two great fighters.

So it would, and it is most unfortunate that we never had the privilege of a ringside seat for this spectacle.

Nov-14-12  brankat: <It was Fischer himself who sad that he do not understand the way Kortchnoi plays. Very uncertain how a match would have ended. I think from 1970 to 1972 Fischer was superior - but before and afterwards?>

If Fischer didn't quite understand Korchnoi's game, then it is very likely he also didn't understand it during the 1970-72 period.

Nov-14-12  SChesshevsky: I think a Fischer-Korchnoi match would've been a great thing for chess.

The interesting thing of Korchnoi where he might have had an advantage is that he liked to play unbalanced positions. If Fischer wasn't on top of his game (which was more often than believed) and/or overreached Korchnoi had the ability to get an advantage and push it through. These Curacao games seem to show it.

Korchnoi might have had a good chance pre 1969 but it seems 69 and later Fischer played much tighter.

I always got the impression Fischer really enjoyed these types of games with Korchnoi and remember hearing that Korchnoi was one of the few world class masters Fischer would meet with after 72.

Nov-26-12
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  Mrs. Alekhine: <Hazza>
<Fischer surpassed Korchnoi comfortably around 1965>?

We can speculate on their potential playing strength, but the head to head game record doesn't really support your point.

Fischer didn't play Korchnoi between 1962-1967.

They drew at <Sousse 1967>.

They split a pair of games at <Herceg Novi Blitz 1970>.

They drew at <Rovinj/Zagreb 1970>.

They never played again after.

<Travis> I would also love to have seen a Fischer-Korchnoi match. I think there would have been a great deal of "Battle Chess" since both players loved to go for the initiative.

Nov-26-12
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  AylerKupp: <<harrylime> <Fischer had korchnoi's number by at least 1967 .. And probably earlier>

Aaah, the usual <harrylime> silly statements and imagination. Prior to 1965 Fischer and Korchnoi played 6 times, with Fischer winning twice, Korchnoi winning twice, with 2 draws.

After 1965 Fischer and Korchnoi played 4 times, 2 regular games and 2 blitz games. Both regular games were drawn, one of the blitz games was won by Fischer, and the other blitz game by Korchnoi.

I guess it all depends on what one considers "having someone's number".

Nov-27-12
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  perfidious: There go <Mrs Alekhine> and <AylerKupp>, intruding on dear <harry>'s fantasy world with facts which demolish another flimsy argument. If one can call it that.
Nov-27-12  SimonWebbsTiger: I think the Batsford book on Fischer put it well when it said it was a shame the chess world never saw a Fischer-Korchnoi Candidates match because it would have been a spectacle to see two of the games great fighters play.

Korchnoi was nr. 3-4 in the world in 1971 (with Larsen).

Nov-27-12
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  AylerKupp: Not to mention 3-4 in the world in 1972 (again with Larsen), 5-6 in the world in 1973 (with Portisch), 3 in the world in 1974 and 1975 (the last year that Fischer was ranked), 2 in the world in 1976-1979, etc.

Except for one year (1983) Korchnoi was ranked in the top 10 from 1967 through 1988, and again in 1990.

What a match this would have been between these two fighters! And only 2 years apart in age.

Jan-12-13  leka: The move 10..a5was a novelty it was not a Korchnoi idea.Who is behind 10..a5 Korchnoi did not selected this his the best games as black.The combination 13 bishop g4! Korchnoi was a honest it is not a difficult one.Fischer lost same kind of an opening novelty against Kholmov in 1965 Smyslov showed Kholmov the variation of Ruy Lopez to Kholmov.Kholmov was a drun drinking vodka all night.But altough Kholmov had a hang over he remembered Smyslov moves and beat Fischer
Jan-17-13  leka: May be this game was the reason why Korchnoi played against Karpov in 1978WC match final game this the Pirc opening.Korchnoi should had played the final 32th ganme in 1978 against Karpov the open Ruy Lopez or the rock solid french opening
Feb-24-13  teddysalad: <AylerKupp> <What a match this would have been between these two fighters! And only 2 years apart in age.>

They were 12 years apart in age.

Feb-24-13  RookFile: I definitely think Korchnoi should have stayed with the French against Karpov.
Jul-21-13  madlydeeply: this is such a beautiful Korchnoi game! Korchnoi waits until the perfect moment when white overextends, counterattacks, queen mops up pieces/pawns, heading all the way to a1, manages to return to a6 for defense, returns to queenside to finish queening. KC analyzed it... put me in a good mood today, thanks KC!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XQt...

Sep-09-13
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  Garech: An absolute mauling from Korchnoi - it's not often this happened to Fischer; kudos!

-Garech

Dec-02-13  chesswar1000: A fisch out of water.
Jan-07-14  GumboGambit: Hail to the Viktor!
Jan-28-14
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  MarkFinan:    MarkFinan: This is a pretty damn good game of chess. I half understand this move.. I think!? Fischer sacced the g pawn by playing 13.g4? to get some play on the kingside, and also drawing blacks queen over to the queenside so it can't help defend his king. I think that was the idea, although it was a big mistake because that's definitely where things started to go wrong for him..


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And once Qh6 is played here, getting the queen back over the kingside it's completely over. Some nice tactical shots in this game, I like going through Fischer's games when he has the white pieces because he nearly always played for a win. 


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