|Feb-18-02|| ||knight: Very interesting play by Maroczy.From the early advance of his kingside pawns to the enterprising way of bringing his queen's rook and queen into the game. |
|Apr-13-03|| ||sleepkid: what's really interesting is that I've seen this game published in two different forms. One with the win for Maroczy (as it is given here) And one with the win for Janowski. . . which runs the same, except for 35. Ba7!! (if 35 ...Qxa7 then 36. Rd8++) 35 ...Bxa7 36.Qh6+ Ke8 37.Qg7 Rf8 38. Qxf8+ Kxf8 39. Rh8++
However, I don't think that this line actually took place, and instead was found after the game. (and I'm sure once it was pointed out Janowski went beserk!) Such a fine line between victory and defeat! Maroczy's 34. Qa8 seems unstoppable (and quite original!), until the unexpected bishop sacrifice crops up. |
|Aug-09-03|| ||sleepkid: does anyone know which of the two different version of this game is the correct one? (please see my comment above for the winning line for Janowski) |
|Aug-09-03|| ||Calli: Does 35.Ba7 win? What about 35...Qe8 threatening the mate again?|
This is the correct score. Maroczy won the game. This is definite because he tied Pillsbury and Sclechter for first place and his total would not be right without a win here.
|Aug-09-03|| ||sleepkid: 35 ...Qe8 is simply defended by 36. Qh5. The bishop on a7 is immune from capture because if 36 ...Bxa7 then 37. Qh6+ win instantly. In fact, at this point Black's bishop is hanging, and cannot move without instantly losing the game, so I would think that 36 ...b6 is forced. This traps white's bishop, but loses a tempo and gives White a chance to set up a more solid defense or search for counterplay, perhaps beginning with 37. Qd5 threatening to force a trade. Considering the fact that they were probably nearing time control, 35. Ba7 would have been a great tactical shot which would have complicated the game significantly. It certainly avoids the mate threat. |
Thanks for letting me know that this is the correct score for the game.
|Aug-10-03|| ||Calli: Still looks like a win after 35.Ba7 Qe8 36.Qh5 c5 and if 37.Qd5 then Qb5+ 38.Rd3 Rf2+ 39.Ke1 Qb4+ etc|
Give Maroczy some credit! He undoubtedly saw this. My guess is someone wrote about Ba7 and how both players missed it. Really, whoever annotated the game was the one who missed it.
|Feb-14-04|| ||capanegra: I discovered this game recently, and studied it for the last few days. I find the final position astonishingly interesting –in fact, it is the most interesting I’ve seen lately-. I found also interesting the chat between <Calli> and <sleepkid> about who had the better position. Certainly, 35.a7 e8 seems to be very effective. But my question is if it is so effective, why didn’t Maroczy play it the move before (instead of the actual 34…a8)? It looks as murderous as if white had his bishop in a7, and would have gained a tempo. My guess is that Maroczy played 34…a8 in order to enter with the queen with check for certain in case Janowski played 35.e1 a5+ (which couldn’t had happened with 34…e8, although this is also a winning move: 35.e1 b5 36.c5+ e8 and white can’t avoid mate). My point is that Maroczy probably overlooked 35.a7 obstructing the queen’s way to the mate, in spite of the fact that he also wins in that variation. Does anyone have historical evidence of this game? |
|Feb-14-04|| ||Benzol: This game is in 'One Hundred Chess Gems' with the alternate ending i.e. Janowski winning as descibed by <sleepkid> above. What <Calli> says is quite logical but does anyone have a crosstable for Munich 1900 so we can finally put the baby to bed on this one. |
|Feb-14-04|| ||Calli: Yes, see http://www.chesscity.com/Features/1... for the crosstable. |
Looking at it again, Black can also play 35.Ba7 b6 threatening Qc8-Qa6+. This may be simpler than Qe8 and perhaps why Maroczy did not play 34...Qe8.
|Feb-14-04|| ||Benzol: Thanks <Calli>. Janowski missed out here like he did with Capablanca 11 years later. |
|Feb-14-04|| ||tamar: Thanks to all for a very interesting discussion. 34...Qa8 is surprising and effective, but it could have been played on move 32 or 33, winning as well. That leads me to believe Maroczy saw this, but preferred to tidy the position with the takes exchange, and then to place the on c2 before starting the manuever d8-a8-a6.
The theme of a8 over moves 32-34 may have blinded Maroczy to the possibility of the quicker 34.e8 which would have avoided a7 as <capanegra> noted. |
|Feb-14-04|| ||capanegra: Thank you too for those pretty comments. My point is that after the possible line: 34… a8 35.a7 b6 36.h3 (not 36.h5 because of c8 37.d5 h3+ etc.) e8 37.d7 xd7 38.xd7 e8 39.e7+ d8 40.xf7 c8, black wins the white bishop and the endgame. But this way is far large than the strongest 34…e8! Don’t you think so? |
|Feb-14-04|| ||tamar: I just noticed 34...xd4 was stronger than either 34...a8 or ...e8 Taking the black doesn't have to fear the variation 35 h6+ e8 36. g7 xf6! 37 xg8+ e7 38 d3 f4 with mate on c1 in the offing. |
|Feb-15-04|| ||drukenknight: the game is so complicated and crazy that its hard to say what they were thinking. 29...Nxe5 followed by R/Q captures on f6, looks strong |
|Feb-15-04|| ||Calli: <tamar> 34...Bxd4! very good point. Thanks |
|Feb-15-04|| ||tamar: < 29...xe5 followed by / captures on f6, looks strong> Wow. Looks very strong. After 29...Nxe5 30. Nxe5 Rxf6 black can't capture the with 31 xf6 xf6+ 32 f3
a6+ and the queen will find her way to a6 by a different route about 3 moves earlier than in the game. |
|Feb-15-04|| ||drukenknight: yeah, not sure what that line is going to look like. I really need to sit down and look at this game move by move to figure out what is going on. Trying to pick it up on move 29 or 34 is really difficult. Any more thoughts? |
|Jun-18-06|| ||GeauxCool: An attacker, Janowsky was a master of alibis, either the furnace was too cold, or the radiator too hot, construction outside ruined his concentration. Finally, a tournament committee went to great lengths to ensure all comforts. Janowsky said, "You have robbed me of any conceivable alibi! How can I POSSIBLY DO MY BEST?!!!" He also called the two bishops, "the two Rabbis" when he had them. But he did not stand much of a chance against Maroczy's rabbis in this game at move 19. -Fine|
|Oct-01-06|| ||Uzi: <This game is in 'One Hundred Chess Gems' with the alternate ending i.e. Janowski winning as descibed by <sleepkid> above.>|
Edward Winter dealt with the above in C.N. 1652 (reproduced in his Chess Explorations). P. Wenman's One Hundred Chess Gems (1939) is identified as the earliest known source for the fake ending.
<Was Wenman (described by The Companion as 'the problem world's most notorious plagiarist') the first to tamper with the Janowsky-Maroczy game and if so was it an isolated offence in his game anthologies?>
Francis Percival Wenman
|Nov-07-07|| ||hakoba: From Maróczy's book :
I. 35. Ba7 b6 36. Qh5 Qc8 37. Qd5 Qh3+ 38. Rxh3 Rg1#
II. 36. Rd3 Qc8 37. Rxe3 Qa6+ 38. Ke1 Qa5+39. Kf1 Qb5+ 40. Ke1 Qb1#
III. 36. Qh3 Bg5 37. Rd7 Qe8 38. Bb8 Qxb8 39.
Rxf7+ Kxf7 40. Qh7+ Kxf6 41. e5+ (41. Qf5+! wins for white) 41... Ke6 42. Qxc2 Qb7 43. Qc4+ Qd5 44. Qg4+ Kxe5
But By Fritz 8
36... Rxa2 37. Qd7 Qe8 38. Bb8 Bf4 39.
Qd5 Ra3 40. Rh3 Rc3 41. Qd4 Qb5+ 42. Ke1 Bd2+ wins for black so Maróczy thought well, he was winning...
He saw this, but dont tell to the other, because he wanted to publish it in Hungary. So it remained in Hungary...unfortunately.