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|Apr-23-09|| ||MaxxLange: Yeah Oll's suicide was super sad. I had a cousin commit suicide, and it is pretty damn hard for the loved ones. But I have empathy for suicides; their suffering must be so bad to get them to that point.|
I remember around the same time, a French IM was pulled out of the Seine - killed because he dodged paying his gambling debts or just couldn't pay, I think. It was sort of a bad period for chess stories.
|Apr-24-09|| ||Richard Taylor: <returnoftheking: After previous encounters with Richard Taylor I am not surprised when he says he came close to committing homicide. But it's a pitty that I have to read it on Oll's page.>|
What do you mean by this? I''d like to know who you are.
|Apr-24-09|| ||Richard Taylor: I met Oll in person so I know something of him - o.k. not much but he was countryman of Sarapu's. We knew he was very strong player and an IM then I think and he seemed quite interesting. I'm not sure if he played - but Miles was playing in an Open Tourney which I played in also - of course I didn't get to play any one remotely as strong as Miles or Oll... My point was sympathetic to Oll who beat Topalov once - he was a great player. |
I have always acknowledged it was a tragedy he committed suicide (especially so young).
|Apr-24-09|| ||Richard Taylor: I see - it's the game of the day...came on via kibitzing.|
|Apr-25-09|| ||Richard Taylor: <returnoftheking> I don't recall any encounters - but they are in the past -if you want I can ask CG.com that I re-post that comment I made here - on reflection it may have been a bit over the top - but the way is to approach me on my forum or wherever rather than to caste some aspersion about something I said in the past...|
That way I can better appreciate you are upset by what I have said HERE - rather than it widening to some ill-defined previous matter...
And if I did go off the rails in the past somewhere I can or will retract that, if needed, and if you haven't done so...
If my statements upset you/others I can ask CG.com to retract/modify /delete them ... as I see now I was talking about a time - some years ago when I wasn't in a good state (and trying by that to imagine how Oll may have felt) - but I am good now - so maybe I just forgot that it is a quite sensitive topic.
But my intention was more in empathy than in rancour to Oll...
|Jun-01-09|| ||BISHOP TAL: What could this man have been so depressed about to take his own life.He must love chess to get so good at it.If I had problems so great Id immerse myself in chess.Well u could argue he had to have a life outside of chess to work and pay bills but he was good enough to pay the the bills from chess alone.Oh god I scrolled up if this was about a divorce he wasnt a bad lookin guy he could have found another girl.He was to good at this game to willing say goodbye to it all.|
|Jun-01-09|| ||Jim Bartle: It's hard to know what's happening in the mind of anyone, no matter how successful and happy they may appear to be.|
|Jun-01-09|| ||acirce: <BISHOP TAL> You know depression is an <illness>, right?|
|Jun-08-09|| ||BISHOP TAL: Yes I know,my mother had it, ive been to tears too.I would find a 3 story jump most depressing.It sounds not planned there are better planned ways to go. And him worried bout his chess rating shortly before this reinforces that. Alcohol or drugs or maybe he was pushed off the balconey eh, maybe it was murder.I dont know dont claim to.For chessfans lets see says, Miles diddnt want to play him under different time controls cant blame him im a huge fan of miles there is a fine game Miles Oll in an english somthin court defense oll wins and its worth a look.And thats how ill remeber Oll|
|Jun-08-09|| ||BISHOP TAL: ok got it, miles oll 91 a13 english agincourt dont know how to make direct link or I would|
|Jun-09-09|| ||Where is my mind: Miles vs Oll, 1991|
|Oct-08-10|| ||Abdooss: <Richard Taylor> Hope this is not too late - I concur that what you said was empathy.
As you said in Oll vs Ulibin, 1989
- <"Dec-21-08 ; Richard Taylor: <Albertan>
Thanks. When my wife left me I came close to suicide so I can understand..">|
|Oct-10-10|| ||Richard Taylor: <Abdooss: <Richard Taylor> Hope this is not too late - I concur that what you said was empathy. As you said in Oll vs Ulibin, 1989 - <"Dec-21-08 ; Richard Taylor: <Albertan> Thanks. When my wife left me I came close to suicide so I can understand..">>|
No - that's o.k. We relate to other s via our own experiences.
A sad fact of New Zealand is at that of the so called "developed" or "Western" nations we have had one of the highest youth suicide rates in the world.
So much for the nonsense about the green clean (it's not) and peaceful place - it's not.
But life goes on and not all is bad.
|Nov-07-10|| ||wordfunph: When GM Lembit Oll's wife left him, he asked one of his friends, "What kind of ads are these in the newspaper --- beautiful girl invites bachelors to have a cup of coffee." He got the
explanation, but he was not a ladies' man. He liked to gamble in casinos, but he never went bust. His strategy at the blackjack tables was: after losing a hand, he doubled the bet and
continued to do so till he won.
(Source: New In Chess Magazine 2009-06)
|Nov-07-10|| ||Jim Bartle: That strategy does not work, of course. At some point you will not have enough money left to double your previous bet, and then you will have lost.|
That may not occur often, but if you play long enough it will happen once, and that's all it takes to leave you with nothing.
|Apr-23-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: God bless, GM Oll!
|Apr-23-12|| ||JohnDahl: <The good die first,
And they whose hearts are dry as summer dust
Burn to the socket>
|Apr-23-12|| ||Richard Taylor: If you study modern games you keep seeing games played at top level by Oll.|
When I met him I recall he said he was studying logic, I think particularly in relation to computer logic. Maybe in 1993 that was as I was studying some philosophy and Logic was a paper in Philosophy which is also used in computer courses as a paper towards a computing degree. It has some relationship also I suppose to digital or gate logic.
I say this as I was trying to recall what he was like. Tony Miles waas in the same tournament as I was and hewas although I didn't get anywhere near there level..! It was good to see GMs here in NZ. My son says Oll was rather small fellow whereas Miles looked like a fat Hippy!! Of course Miles ran away with first prize! maybe Murray Chandler suggested the play here?
|May-04-12|| ||King Death: < Jim Bartle: That strategy does not work, of course. At some point you will not have enough money left to double your previous bet, and then you will have lost...>|
The problem in practice is this for sure but even if you were granted the dream of an unlimited bankroll, there are still table limits and this is what you run up against. That's the problem with the Martingale System. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin...(betting_system)
|Aug-26-12|| ||Cemoblanca: Sad story! Chess alone does not heal all wounds, and the human psyche is not infinitely resilient and robust! Unfortunately! RIP!|
|Jan-28-13|| ||waustad: In V. Ivanchuk's master class at Gibtel 2013, he spoke very highly of Oll's chess ability. Here is a link: http://www.livestream.com/gibchess/...|
|Apr-23-14|| ||Richard Taylor: Yes. There was another lecture about Oll. He had great talent, like this poor fellow Vugar Gashimov. It is really sad when people die so young.|
|Apr-23-14|| ||offramp: I have always wanted to read <Speak! Memory> but I keep forgetting to buy it.|
|Apr-23-14|| ||Nonnus: You may want to read it with its original title <Conclusive Evidence> then.|
|Apr-23-14|| ||gars: A great talent who left us so early. May God have mercy on your soul, Grandmaster Oll.|
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