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Oct-16-15
 | | Tabanus: <sonia91> Ok. And I Nepomniachtchi vs Grigoriants, 2015 should be 1/2. Which CG could have figured out themselves, if you ask me. I'm tired of this, and leave that slip to others. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | Jambow: Yeah he was very frustrated and I don't think he went over board he was understandably upset. I will say in the past there were certain Carlsen fans who would have went on for months if Nakamura did the same and did so over much less. They are human and you can't be competitive and jovial when you lose. I think Steinitz threw someone out a window or made an attempt, now I would probably call that not so sportsman like, but it depends if they were on the first floor or not. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | Jambow: <tpstar> I'm no doctor butt on rearing children, that's the spot, I mean it's already cracked so you're not going to break it when applied to the maximus. |
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Oct-16-15
 | | keypusher: < Jambow: Yeah he was very frustrated and I don't think he went over board he was understandably upset. > Agree.
<I will say in the past there were certain Carlsen fans who would have went on for months if Nakamura did the same and did so over much less. > Valid point. |
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Oct-16-15
 | | alexmagnus: The "totally out of form" Carlsen stil performed 2837 here. By performance he was #4 btw. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | dumbgai: Well, I'm late to the party and just watched the video footage of Carlsen's reaction to losing to Radjabov, Grischuk, and Ivanchuk. That was bad form, but not super-bad. It's not like he stood up on the table and shouted "Why must I lose to this idiot!" He could have handled it better, but I don't think this is a big deal, just a frustrated guy letting his anger show for a moment. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | dumbgai: Carlsen and Naka switch #1 and #2 rankings in both the rapid and blitz. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | zanzibar: <pinoy king: So much for Carlsen's "mental strength". He's just like any other internet speed chess player. Lose a game or two, then get upset and play worse.> That's makes for an interesting thought.
Has anybody ever quantified the <tilt-factor> for a player? Say, the ratio of their scoring for games after a loss versus the general average. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | bobthebob: The Ivanchuk reaction was priceless...I am sure that this is one of the reasons he keeps playing. There are two parts of Carlsen's reaction. The immediate reaction of "oh no!!" which of course is hard to suppress (just like Ivanchuk's positive reaction) and understandable. But then it went on...and on...and on...and culminated in his childish reaction when Ivanchuk was applauded. Think of it this way, we all liked Ivanchuk's immediate reaction after winning. But imagine if it went on...and on...and on...just like Carlsen's reaction did. If he got up and did a little dance, raised his hands in triumph after signing the score sheet, etc. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | Jambow: <alexmagnus> Carlsen in bad form is pretty awesome it does appear. At the end of the day he is now #2 in blitz #1 rated in rapid and standard time controls, world champion and probably the only player that I perceive as capable of surpassing 2900 elo in the foreseeable future. There is more talent playing today, also being developed with resources that simply didn't exist before now. Honestly it is a good time to be a chess fan. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | Jambow: @<bobthebob> I couldn't picture Anand, Aronian or Caruana, showing open disgust as Carlsen did, but I could easily picture Nakamura, Kasparov, or Fischer doing it. I think it is in bad taste to gloat or spend countless hours tearing other players down. Yes Carlsen is human yes certain posters seem to live for strife. It doesn't make Nakamura look any better, actually often times players get associated with their fans like So, Carlsen and Nakamura all have. They have plenty of civil fans, but we remember the ones that cause discord. If Carlsen is only guilty of slamming his pen down when a world blitz title is on the line while ISIS is cutting peoples heads off, I'm pretty much not going to throw stones. Carlsen and Nakamura have more in common than not, although again Nakamura has been much kinder off the board lately and that's a plus from my perspective. This is really much ado about nothing imho. No hard feelings fellow Nakamura fan. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | AuN1: I disagree about Fischer behaving in that manner, <jambow>. He certainly had no qualms with letting his ire show to the organizers of an event, but as far as I know, he always treated his opponents with the utmost respect and professionalism. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | bobthebob: <If Carlsen is only guilty of slamming his pen down when a world blitz title is on the line while ISIS is cutting peoples heads off, I'm pretty much not going to throw stones.> Well, that is a bit funny.
I guess if that is the metric, then no one should throw stones at people who cheat at chess or arrange to lose a game for cash, etc. ;) Besides, this isn't about tearing anyone down. If a person does something inappropriate, it is fair game to comment on it. Actions have consequences. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | Sokrates: I think we shouldn't be to harsh on the behavior of Carlsen and other players when it comes to blitz games. As we all know blitz games are extremely tense, the adrenaline is circulating wildly in the veins, and when a game is over, there is an abrupt release of all that. In normal games you have plenty of time to adjust yourself to the inevitable - in blitzes the whole drama is over in less than ten minutes. A strong Danish player once said to me: There are two types of losers: the bad losers and the good actors. Obviously, Carlsen's temper was overwhelming his acting. :-) |
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Oct-16-15
 | | harrylime: Grischuk !
He looks such a bum at the board too !
Love him ! |
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| Oct-16-15 | | Jambow: <Aun1> In retrospect you are correct Fischer didn't show disgust when he lost at the board, he did often times make very harsh comments about players at times justified or not. <bobthebob> Even on that metric deliberately cheating at chess is far worse than showing frustration when losing. Magnus didn't call his opponents idiots like Nimzowitsch is alleged to have done. Hard to equate Magnus's hand gestures to cheating like Boris Ivanov by me anyway. Here is my point your belittling of Magnus is a greater offence than his actions by my estimation. Likewise I have seen some people do the same to Nakamura for being a bad sport while he was doing and saying things far less offensive than what they themselves were saying. So they appear to me to be being hypocritical. The question I ask of myself and of others are they judging the situation fairly or just hating the player because of who they are. If you removed player A and inserted player B would they do the same. Frankly I have little doubt you would not respond the same way if it weren't Magnus. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | Jambow: Congrats to Grischuk bout time something went his way in 2015. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | bobthebob: <jambow>
<In retrospect you are correct Fischer didn't show disgust when he lost at the board> <Frankly I have little doubt you would not respond the same way if it weren't Magnus.> LOL.
Look, you can't even speculate correctly about Fischer's reactions when that is public record, so you should have no confidence that you can correctly speculate about a total stranger's reaction. to a hypothetical situation. But, so you know, I did comment about Nepo's recent unprofessionalism too. Lastly, if someone is being unprofessional in their behavior, regardless of who it is, it is not hypocritical to call them on it. For instance, it a player calls another a "dirty player" with no evidence to back it up, there is nothing wrong with calling that player dishonest. Of course, for the sensitive people, you can be all politically correct and call them "a player whose negative accusations are not supported by any facts" <Magnus didn't call his opponents idiots like Nimzowitsch > Well good. I am glad that Nimzowitsch is not playing in this tourney. That would not be good for the image of chess. He also didn't try to illegally take back moves, or stab his opponent with a pen or try to switch the, score sheet to claim that he won, so that is good too! Bravo for not doing any of that! |
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| Oct-16-15 | | pinoy king: Carlsen at home trying to hitting his head on the chessboard trying to figure out why the knight keeps forking his queen and king. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | maelith: There is nothing unusual with what Carlsen did. He showed human emotions. Most great players are competitive and hate losing. Carlsen is an angel if you will compare his temperament with people like Lebron,kasparov, Floyd, Jordan etc. I don't know why there are people here that is making a big deal of Carlsen's temperament in one his matches in this tournament. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | zanzibar: < I don't know why there are people here that is making a big deal of Carlsen's temperament in one his matches in this tournament.> Well, I saw in a Carlsen interview a certain level of self-criticism... |
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Oct-16-15
 | | perfidious: <pinhead king: So much for Carlsen's "mental strength"....> Yeah, the fish has no right to ever lose a game and still be called the best. <....He's just like any other internet speed chess player. Lose a game or two, then get upset and play worse.> Oh, I am sure you would do better than the donk Carlsen--if he gave you rook odds and played all the games drunk as a lord. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | diceman: <zanzibar:
Has anybody ever quantified the <tilt-factor> for a player?>...usually it's by feel.
<Say, the ratio of their scoring for games after a loss versus the general average.> Oh, I thought you were talking about how far they lean back in their chair. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | diceman: Apparently there's a new dance step,
the "Carlsen Spin."
You spin around a few times and make a motion like you're throwing a pen at a table. When that hits the mosh pit, someone's
gonna lose an eye. |
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| Oct-16-15 | | AzingaBonzer: It's quite simple. People here--like <bobthebob>--dislike Carlsen. They may try to hide it behind rhetoric, but their actions reveal that every chance they get to criticize him, they take it. The fact that they are fans of Nakamura is pretty telling as well. |
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