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Sep-27-13 | | Travis Bickle: Congrats Irina!! |
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Sep-27-13
 | | HeMateMe: So...is she a GM elect, or not? |
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Sep-27-13
 | | chancho: I found this on her facebook page:
<Irina Krush holds the title of International Master (IM), and has two of three tournament results (norms) necessary to qualify for the International Grandmaster (GM) title. On the May 2013 FIDE rating list for women, Krush has a FIDE rating of 2470> If the above was not edited today, then perhaps the norm she got at the Baku Open is her third. |
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Sep-27-13 | | Shams: <chancho> It's quite frustrating that players' progress in acquiring norms is so opaque. It seems unlikely that her facebook was updated today. Had she made any changes she probably also would have mentioned that her FIDE rating is now over 2500, rather than give the outdated lower figure. So hopefully congratulations are in order after all! |
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Sep-27-13 | | Shams: Her twitter profile now reads "Chess GM". But she hasn't tweeted anything in three years. Mark Crowther also suggests she has earned the title. https://twitter.com/search?q=irina%... |
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Sep-27-13
 | | chancho: <Shams> I hope she finally has it. It would be a shame if she is denied on a technicality. |
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Sep-28-13 | | Shams: Sounds like Irina herself doesn't even know:
<The traditional Baku Open finished successfully for Irina Krush of US. She fulfilled either 2nd or 3rd GM norm. As she explained it's not known yet because FIDE Congress which will take place in Tallinn in several days should decide if her success at the team championship in Astana will be counted as a norm. If it will be approved then Irina Krush will become a "real" Grandmaster.> http://chess-news.ru/node/13481 |
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Sep-28-13
 | | HeMateMe: No GM confirmation yet?
2012 interview with Irina:
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0Fb...> I think she receives a stipend by one of NYC's elite private schools, to coach their adolescent team, but she doesn't give details in the interview. |
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Sep-28-13 | | dx9293: <HeMateMe> Stipend?? Where do you get such info? Trust me, NYC private schools don't give stipends to chess teachers. They don't value chess teachers so highly; we are a cash cow to be exploited by the afterschool programs. You either get a salary (very rare, and the few in NYC who have it work VERY hard and deal with a lot of stress) or, like the vast, vast majority of us, get paid per-class (by the school itself or by the company that teaches chess to that school's students)--with no benefits, no vacation pay, no nothing. The world of NYC chess teaching is not glamorous at all! |
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Sep-28-13
 | | HeMateMe: Who is "we"? Are you a teacher there, or perhaps a chess tutor? Info I have is that a number of the grade schools in NYC take great pride in doing well in national chess competitions. People like Joel Benjamin, Fed, Krush, and a few others get paid to mentor the scholastic teams. Perhaps this money comes from outside the system from well heeled parents? That would make sense. I'm sure it is private donations in some cases. The private schools can come up with the money. Even the public ones can raise cash privately for a chess tutor if the school doesn't have anything in their budget for a chess coach. I doubt any of these guys/gals work for free. |
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Sep-28-13 | | dx9293: <HeMateMe> I <am> a chess teacher in NYC schools (public and private), and I know Joel, Fed, Irina and many others very well. I know pretty much every IM/GM who teaches chess in NYC. I know of what I speak. A lot of what you're saying is guesswork, so let me help you: Every school wants to do well in Nationals; providing conditions to make this possible is another story. First of all, most schools have afterschool chess, but only elementary schools with some form of curriculum chess ever win Nationals, and there are probably (to be conservative) 10 to 20 schools with only afterschool chess for each school with curriculum chess and afterschool. Your typical private school afterschool will have parents paying $35-70 per class. There are Fall, Winter, and Spring trimesters, each with approximately 12 weeks. So the school collects $480 to $840 per trimester, per student! The school wants decent teachers (to keep the kids happy so the parents keep paying) and will pay anywhere from $75 to $150 per class; the head teacher can get more IF they had some kind of connection (influential parent) who got them the program in the first place. Often, two teachers do the class together. Still, the private school makes a killing off the classes. Just imagine two teachers getting $120 each for a class of only 10 students paying $55 "a head"... Public school programs do it somewhat differently. A private school may profit heavily off of you, but they'll never get rid of you if you do a good job (to do so would be too risky and too much of a hassle finding a good, cheaper replacement). A lot of the public school programs are run by parasitic PTAs. PTAs just want to earn and save as much as possible, and will replace you double quick if another chess company offers a cheaper rate (which the company can get away with paying its teachers because they aren't as good and usually have "issues"). Public school parents don't pay as much as private school parents for chess classes, though still a healthy sum, but there are usually more students in the class (less choice of competing afterschool activities), so these programs do really well too. |
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Sep-28-13 | | dx9293: The donations issue is interesting, but the teachers don't get that money, I'll leave it at that. A lot of complexities...a lot of complexities. But mainly the parents foot the bill for their child's chess. |
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Sep-28-13
 | | HeMateMe: Thanks, dx, most informative. Are Fed, Joel, Irina actually teaching these classes, past or present? Your anonymity is safe with me, and I'm sure the chess teachers have no reason to hide their participation. |
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Sep-28-13 | | dx9293: <HMM> Of course they teach! They wouldn't be paid if they didn't. That's what I'm saying: the schools don't care that "GM so-and-so" is teaching their chess class. That's not what "sells" the class to the parents. Remember that only chess fans care about the level and titles of chessplayers. Interestingly, a teacher's chess level has VERY LITTLE to do with their pay. Almost nothing, actually. It's about which parents like you, how good you are at building a great reputation (justified or not), and how good you are at "selling" private lessons. Basically, pay comes down to marketing and self-promotion. |
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Sep-28-13 | | waustad: I'm interested in helping to do chess in the schools in my town. My problem is that I don't want to be liable for what the students do when they are supposed to be with me and any other strange thing people may suggest. I taught for years and realize the FERPA problem: you are not allowed to talk to a student about grades in front of anybody else and if you are alone with a student you are in danger of being accussed of all manner of things that you didn't do. All of this for a job that doesn't pay much. I'm not that interested in stepping into that world as a volunteer. If a teacher is present I'm good, but I won't put myself in that danger alone. It is a serious drag that anybody needs to think like that before doing a public service. |
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Oct-02-13 | | Bob Loblaw: I hope Irina has achieved her third norm, but if she hasn't, she certainly will soon given the strength she exhibited in a strong field in Baku. |
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Oct-05-13 | | Shams: Irina writes about her successful tournament in Baku:
http://www.uschess.org/content/view... |
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Oct-05-13 | | TwoKnights: She paid her dues and earned it congrats. |
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Oct-08-13 | | Illogic: On the USCF forums, someone who is at the FIDE Congress said that Irina's GM-elect status was confirmed! |
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Oct-08-13
 | | plang: I thought that you needed a minimum of a 2500 rating to be awarded the GM title. Did the rule change? |
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Oct-08-13 | | Shams: <plang> No, Irina's rating did:
http://www.2700chess.com/women |
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Oct-08-13 | | belgradegambit: Wow. Congrats to Irina. And thanks Shams for the link to her article. |
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Oct-08-13 | | waustad: <On the USCF forums, someone who is at the FIDE Congress said that Irina's GM-elect status was confirmed!> Excellent. I noticed on the live ratings that she is now ahead of Tatiana Kosintseva who is having a poor tournament in the Russian Superfinals. Krush is not the highest rated active woman living in the US now, since Nadezhda Kosintseva is now a student at UT Dallas and on the chess team there. |
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Oct-13-13 | | Shams: I didn't realize that she and Charbonneau had separated. |
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Oct-13-13
 | | HeMateMe: Didn't they divorce, years ago? I believe he gave up professional chess, and is an I.T. guy. With a name like Pascal, well, what else? |
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