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| May-21-10 | | Marmot PFL: <SU1989> They both played NN. |
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May-21-10
 | | alexmagnus: <So you can get from Steinitz to Anand in 4 steps: Lasker, Lilienthal, Smyslov, Anand> And what is the shortest <winning> chain from Steinitz to Anand? |
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| May-21-10 | | WhiteRook48: probably 20 players or so |
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| May-21-10 | | HeMateMe: Happy birthday, Frank! |
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| May-21-10 | | wrap99: <FHBRadley> Thanks for that list. It seems like it required so many players that it is probably just a limitation of historical records -- I bet it is closer in reality. Is there any other human activity that has this linkage feature? I guess one can see also in the Math Geneology project where people today have links (through thesis advisors) back to Gauss. Also, royalty and even US presidents (every US president probably met their predecessor). |
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| May-22-10 | | catfriend: <alexmagnus> Well, we have Lasker vs Lilienthal, 1936, for starters. Then, Smyslov vs Lilienthal, 1938, Smyslov vs Kasparov, 1981 and Kasparov vs Anand, 1991. But it can perhaps be improved. The key is the amazing span of Smsylov's and Lilienthal's victories :) Unfortunately, we don't have a decisive Botvinnik-Kaprov\Kasparov game. |
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| May-22-10 | | catfriend: <wrap99> Don't forget that chess was significantly less popular in the 18th and early 19th centuries. What makes the list so long (even after the improvements) is exactly that period of time - from Philidor to Andersen. And yet, it can be shortened by yet another step!
Cochrane vs Zukertort, 1874 and Zukertort vs Steinitz, 1886. So the revised optimal-so-far (non-beating) way from Philidor to Anand goes like this: Philidor -> Atwood -> Wildon -> Lewis -> Deschapelles> - Cochrane -> Zukertort -> Steinitz -> Lasker -> Lilienthal -> Smyslov -> Anand. |
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May-22-10
| | alexmagnus: <catfriend> that would be a <losing> chain. |
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| May-22-10 | | catfriend: <alexmagnus> Do you refer to my previous post about the winning chain from Lasker to Anand? It is of course a matter of definition:) I thought you're after a chain where each new player had defeated the previous one. Here's the opposite chain: Lasker vs Alekhine, 1914, Alekhine vs V Mikenas, 1933, V Mikenas vs Smyslov, 1942, Kasparov vs Smyslov, 1975, Kasparov vs Anand, 1991. It can also use Capablanca instead of Alekhine, Mikenas sure played lots of World Champions! |
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| May-22-10 | | catfriend: Another interesting chain of the same length (defined, according to <alexmagnus> as <losing>) is Alekhine vs Lasker, 1934, Alekhine vs V Mikenas, 1937, V Mikenas vs Tal, 1968, Tal vs Anand, 1989. |
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| May-22-10 | | catfriend: Sorry for the chain-spamming, but I've just found several new, revolutionary links:) <winning> (and simply playing) - Lasker vs E Eliskases, 1936, E Eliskases vs Larsen, 1959, Anand vs Larsen, 1992 Most unfortunately for me, Lasker's other game against Eliskases is a draw. However, we have another living legend helping us. And so we have the winning <losing> chain: Lasker vs Levenfish, 1925, Levenfish vs Korchnoi, 1953, Korchnoi vs Anand, 1991 |
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May-22-10
 | | sneaky pete: Another chain from Cochrane to Anand or Kasparov is with the links Staunton, Bird, Mieses, Euwe and Smyslov. William Lewis played a number of games, missing in this database, against Cochrane in 1820 and 1821. The Oxford Encyclopedia has 4 of them, with Lewis giving odds of QKt in one and pawn and 2 moves in the other three, so the link Deschappelles can be omitted. |
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Jul-31-10
 | | vonKrolock: Some of his Operas: "Blaise le Savetier" (1759), "Emelinde Princesse de Norvège" (<"peut-être l'un des chefs-d'œuvre de Philidor"> according to Le Scribe) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLJv... "Le Soldat magicien" (1760), "Le Jardin et son seigneur" (1761), "Le Maréchal ferrant" (1761) with the 'Trio des Ânes' (the donkey's trio) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50B9... , the Aria 'Oui, je suis expert' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROQh... , Recitativo and Aria 'Brillant dans mon emploi' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9wu... <nota bene: in that channel, it seems that André, Philidor's father, and his son are confounded - author is François-André, the son> "Le Sorder"(1762), "Le Sorcier" (1764) , "Tom Jones" (1765) after H. Fielding's novel, "Sancho Pança, Gouverneur dans l'Isle de Baratariais" (1762), performed in the USA (Wahington), in 2010. With Darren Perry (as Sancho Pança), Elizabeth Calleo (Thérèse), etc, the Opera Lafayette Orchestra conducted by Ryan Brown.
Chessical talk by Bruce Pandolfini before one of the performances http://www.chesscafe.com/skittles/s... |
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Aug-03-10
| | vonKrolock: better reading <<ERN->> <<"E<<rn>>elinde, princesse de Norvège">> (Paris 1767, reprise in Versailles 1773)
some other titles:
"L'Amant déguisé, ou Le Jardinier supposé" (1769) ; "L'Huître et les plaideurs, ou Le Tribunal de la chicane" (1759) etc Amongst his favorite colaborators, were librettista Michel Jean Sedaine (1719-1797), and prima-donna Marie-Thérèse Laruette (1744-1837) |
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Aug-03-10
| | vonKrolock: Some rewiews of the American "Sancho Pança" : the W. P. (by Anne Midgette) <..."a simple but adroit piece of work, with strong ensembles interspersed with set solo arias, and pat verse songs juxtaposed with rambling humorous monologues.".> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy... Tim Smith, 'The Baltimore Sun' <"The score reflects the composer's gift for charming melodic lines and colorful orchestration, not to mention occasionally vivid harmonic turns. Every now and then, the quality of the music really was striking, even -- dare I say? -- almost evocative of Mozart. "> http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/ent... Charles Downey, from 'Ionarts', quotes a contemporary criticism: <"on July 15, 1762 -- within days of hearing the premiere -- Baron von Grimm noted in his Correspondance littéraire with Diderot..."> ... <"A poet who could not make something of the governorship of Sancho Pança should be strangled. M. Poinsinet did not know how to provide situations to the composer either. Except for the scene with the coward who fights with Sancho, dying of fear just like him, I hardly see anything in it that merits the name of situation; and worse, most of the airs do not have much effect. M. Philidor spent a lot on harmony and noise, and not much on melody or musical ideas. He repeated himself in several places; in others he borrowed bits from On ne s'avise jamais de tout and even Annette et Lubin. In a word, this new work by M. Philidor will not hold up to the reputation of Le maréchal ferrant."> http://ionarts.blogspot.com/2010/05... |
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Aug-07-10
| | vonKrolock: Rating list (avant-la-lettre) of the most popular Comic Operas'
composers (public performances in Paris between 1771 and 1780) 1
Grétry 1.222 (17); Monsigny 661 (10); 3 Duni 461 (10); 4 <Philidor>
with 458 performances of (11) different titles, then follow Dezède 160
(8), Martini 139 (3), Gossec 102 (2) etc
Ranking, also for the period 1771-80 , of the most performed operas: 1 "Le Déserteur" (Monsigny) 154; 2 "Lucile" (Grétry) 142; 3 "Le Roi et
le Fermier" (Monsigny) 141; 4 "Rose et Collas" (Monsigny) 133; "Zémire
et Azor" (Grétry) 128; <<" om Jones">> <( hilido )> 124; then
follow works by Sacchini, Duni , Martini with his "L'Amoureux de 15
Ans" from 1771 with 102 etc
Next to "Tom Jones" (here an extract from an English
performance with Brian Burrows etc)
Philidor&id=Z8NL--C4ocA&pos=18">http://www.voobys.com/video/video.p... Philidor's most popular operas were "Le Maréchal Ferrant" and "Le
Sorcier" with sixty performances each. His success was quite standing,
was the only title retired from the repertoire was "Le Jardinier de
Sidon", while his last work to appear in that period, "Les Femmes
Vengées", had forty-six presentations since 1775
"Ernelinde" was a 'serious' opera, and regarded by the critics as an
invasion attempt by the Italian style - but nonetheless studied and
copied, by Philidor's rivals, for it's novelties. More specificly, the
ambitious Grétry, was caught, in post-mortem analysis, borrowing <sic
'unashamedly' - op. cit.> from both Monsigny and Philidor
(account based in researches by David Charlton in his important work
"Grétry & the Growth of Opéra-Comique (CUP 1986) |
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Aug-22-10
| | vonKrolock: <"Le Diable à quatre, ou La double métamorphose"> text by Michel-Jean Sedaine, was composed partly by Philidor, and the remaining by Jean-Louis Laruette, and staged in 1756. ( <!!> Therefore before 'Blaise') further titles not quoted in the above posts:
<"Le Quiproquo, ou Le volage fixé"> 1760; <"Le Bûcheron, ou Les trois souhaits"> 1763; <"Les Fêtes de la paix "> 1763; <"Le Tonnelier"> 1765; <"La Nouvelles École des femmes "> 1770;
< "Le Bon Fils"> 1773; <"Zémire et Mélide"> 1773
<"Protogène"> 1779 (unfinished score available);
<"Persée"> 1780 this one is a 'lyrical tragedy', performed in Paris, at the Académie Royale de Musique in 1780;
<"Thémistocle"> , also a tragedy, 1785;
<"L'Amitié au village"> comedy 1785;
<" La Belle Esclave, ou Valcour et Zéïla"> Philidor music for this 'comédie en prose'>presented in 1787 Paris, in the Théâtre du Comte de Beaujolais, where also wa presented <"Le Mari comme il les faudrait tous, ou La nouvelle école des maris"> in 1788
Philidor's last Opera, <"Bélisaire"> with libretto by Bertin d'Antilly, staged posthumously in October 3th 1796, was finished by composer Henry Berton.
(source for this post so far: operone.de)
<"Carmen Saeculare">, with texts in Latin by Horace, is a profane 'Oratorio'. Presented first in London, in 1779, and then in Paris, in 1780 caution <?!> with the title 'Le Sorder' - found just in one amateur french source: more details?! |
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| Aug-31-10 | | Marmot PFL: Evidently there were several generations of composers in the Philidor family, like the Bachs, but not at that level. Danican was the original family name, the name Philidor was given to one of FAP's ancestors by Louis XIII in the 17th century. |
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| Dec-27-10 | | myschkin: . . .
"Philidor and the Café de la Régence Chess Masters"
http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpress... source:
"Crescendo of the virtuoso"
(P.1, Ch.1, 17ff, by Paul Metzner, 1998) |
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Jan-29-11
 | | chancho: François-André Danican Philidor - Pavane pour la petite guaire http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDR7...
Starts at 0:11... |
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| Jan-29-11 | | Xeroxx: He hasn't been playing much lately. |
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| Feb-22-11 | | SirChrislov: More Philidor games:
http://www.amazon.com/Analyse-jeu-d... |
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Jun-24-11
| | vonKrolock: <"Tom Jones" (here an extract from an English performance with Brian Burrows> correct link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8NL... and the Aria <"Ô toi qui ne peux m'entendre"> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8SO... Further pair of arias from Philidor sung by the same C. Eda-Pierre <"Tout dormait"> From "Mélide ou le navigateur " http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99ct... and the comical <"De la Coquette volage"> from "Les Femmes vengées" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9EY... ...but that <"Pavane pour la petite guaire">, so typically Seventeenth-century music - is by an older Philidor, for sure |
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Aug-25-11
 | | whiteshark: Quote of the Day
< Skittles are the social glasses of chess - indulged in too freely they lead to inebriation, and weaken the consistent effort necessary to build up a strong game. > -- André Philidor
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| Sep-01-11 | | sfm: When asked about the greatest player of all time Larsen said something like: "Philidor! As I can think of no better way to evaluate that question, than to look at how much the greatest player of the time was ahead of their contemporaries". |
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