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Jun-16-07
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| Open Defence: <But it would still result from the differences between Verkhoyansk and India> I have not disputed that.. I do not think that post about Indian heat and food was justified.. please dont try to justify it.. I am not sure why you try to defend Manuel Garcia's post |
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Jun-16-07
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| Valgua: <I am not sure why you try to defend Manuel Garcia's post> Because you accused him of insulting India when in fact he did not. |
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Jun-16-07
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| Open Defence: < Valgua: > I did no such thing.. I just dont like the misconception that the food and facilities in countries like India are in anyway inferrior.. and hence I did not like his post.. there is a difference if you read what i said.... |
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Jun-16-07
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| Karpova: <Karpova: Nobody's critizing Indian food, hospitality or anything else.>
<Open Defence: Thats not the way I see that post...> <Karpova: There's still no need to defend India's honour as nobody's questioning it.>
<Open Defence: <Karpova> thats not the way i saw it..> And now:
<Valgua: Because you accused him of insulting India when in fact he did not.>
<Open Defence: < Valgua: > I did no such thing..> No comment.
<Open Defence: I just dont like the misconception that the food and facilities in countries like India are in anyway inferrior.. and hence I did not like his post..> Nobody ever claimed that Indian facilities were inferior. Not even <Manuel Garcia> claimed it. And that's not what all of the debate was centered around. <Open Defence: there is a difference if you read what i said....>
Did you ever consider the possibility that's actually you who doesn't understand what others write? |
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Jun-16-07
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| Open Defence: <Karpova> I dont understand why you are bating me... this comment <Indians heat and food annihilated> was uncalled for.... I understand what you are trying to say.. but i feel that comment by Manuel Garcia was uncalled for.. why do you keep bring this up over and over again ? |
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Jun-16-07
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| Open Defence: <No comment. > <Karpova> if you have no comment dont make one... simple...being sarcastic is also uncalled for... |
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Jun-16-07
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| Karpova: <Open Defence>
First, don't take everything <Manuel Garcia> wrote literally. He could have meant it differently.
Secondly, this comment was still no claim that he regarded indian facilities inferior to other ones.
Thridly, my comment <no comment> alluded to the posts I quoted (because they tell the story) and no sarcasm was involved. |
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Jun-16-07
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| Open Defence: <Karpova> I did not like Garcia's post.. he might have meant a 100 things.. but the way it stands.. i do not like it.. i have not for even one moment disputed your points... but i cannot understand why you try to defend the post.. i am not saying he did it with mal intent.. i did not like the post... now tell me is there anything further on this ? |
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Jun-16-07
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| technical draw: I just noticed that Manuel Garcia's post was 2 years ago and he hasn't posted in 7 months. He's in Berlin, maybe the German food got to him? |
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Jun-16-07
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| whiteshark: LOL <tech, <So if you can't take the heat, grab a beer and if you don't like the food grab a beer. <This worked good for you, but I suspect that it would have been worked for Salov in the mentioned Indian tournament.>> > |
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Jun-17-07
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| Karpova: <Valgua: Btw, as far as I know the italian opening is 1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc5 Bc4 4. c3 (with the idea of pushing the pawn in d4) while Gioco Piano is 1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc5 Bc4 4. d3 (and the eventual d4 push is postponed).> This is the italian opening: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5
and every following move a subvariation (4.d3, 4.c3, 4.Nc3 or the Evans Gambit). You can look it up, i.e. in Alexej Suetin's opening book. |
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Jun-17-07
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| Open Defence: if I am not mistaken 4d3 is the Giuoco <Pianissmo> or the <Quiet> Italian Game....remember reading this somewhere.. but these days the books may not be so reliable ... |
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Jun-17-07
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| Karpova: Giuoco Pianissimo (very quiet): 4.d3
Giuoco Piano (quiet): 4.c3
seems that <quiet> and <very quiet> are meant in regard to the King's Gambit. |
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Jun-24-07
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| Valgua: <This is the italian opening: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 and every following move a subvariation (4.d3, 4.c3, 4.Nc3 or the Evans Gambit). You can look it up, i.e. in Alexej Suetin's opening book.> It's a common mistake. In fact in Italy we distinguish between the "Italian Game" (Partita Italiana) and Giuoco Piano (Quiet Game), the main difference is the fourth move. Giuoco Piano is so called because the white reffuses to immediately attack the center with 4.c3 followed by d4. |
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| Aug-18-07 |
| Manuel Garcia: To Open Defense:
I wrote the next: "The indians heat, food and water anihilated Salov. He got stomach problems from the very begining till the very end. Kamsky was a sportsman while Salov is weak phisically: when he was a baby he was expected to die soon. Obviously he did not, but his organism is very sensible" without the intention of offending you nor India. So, if I did it, I sincerely apologize to you and to everyone who may felt offended by these lines. Next. both 1970 and 1986, during the soccer football world championships in Mexico, the english delegation did take with it their own water supplies, in order to avoid the mexican water. I am mexican and I have lived in Mexico City the overwhelming greatest part of my life, and all of my european friends, without exception, who visited us (my wife is swiss) did get stomach problems, even then, when we cooked at home. My brother-in-law later told us, that he spent all the returning flight to Switzerland sitting on the plain's toilet.
We did once travel to the beach in Oaxaca (south Mexico; quite hot and humid), and my wife's swiss friends did fall very ill, because precisely of the heat, the humidity, the food and the water.
In every occasion my foreign friends blamed the mexican water, food, altitude and pollution (in Mexico City). I have never considered it as an offense against Mexico.
Two years ago I visited my elderly sister, who lives in Ukraine. We went to the dacha of her parents-in-law, where I decided to drink a glas of milk. It was a disaster for me. |
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Aug-18-07
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| Open Defence: <Manuel Garcia> no doubt you did not intend to offend anyone.. the point of my post was that in such events the facilities provided by India have been quite good, in fact some of the Indian sportsmen (not chessplayers) have complained about the facilities abroad!! I just felt that your post maybe could have been framed a bit better... maybe <The indians heat, food and water anihilated Salov.> would have been <The heat, food and water anihilated Salov.> ... the post made it sound as if rather than Salov's inability to cope.. the <Indian> environment and food was to blame.. it may sound that I am making a mountain out of a mole hill, and further, your original post was some time ago.. interestingly when some Swiss friends of mine came to visit they boldly tried some of the local spicy food (though they had ample opportunities to avail food with less spice and from better resturaunts) despite my warning and it did not agree with their stomachs so I know what you were trying to say.. I just did not like the way it was said.. may be I am being too sensitive.. given that you did not mean any malice what so ever.. so maybe this chapter should be closed.. but I certainly did not think you meant any harm.. just did not like the way the words were put
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| Sep-12-07 |
| pawnofdoom: Why'd this guy stop playing? He was one of the 40 guys in the database to go over 2700, and provided us with pretty cool games |
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Sep-12-07
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| dx9293: I was told by someone who I trust, "in the know," that he cracked up (because of pressure or whatever I don't know) and then quit. |
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| Mar-03-08 |
| ARegularPlayer: Maybe he got some death threats from Rustam Kamsky during his match with Gata in 1995 just like N Short had got. I mean Short still suffered from post traumatic stress when he played in Montreal last year. Salov played very weak in that match. |
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| Mar-14-08 |
| Augalv: whatever happened to Salov? anybody knows? |
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| Mar-14-08 |
| Jim Bartle: In an interview with him from around 94-95, he said he wanted to go to the US or Europe and get into banking or trading stocks, where he could earn some cash. He was not happy with the amount he could earn in chess. |
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| Mar-14-08 |
| MichAdams: Valery's entertaining website and his one-man band, the WPC, have been quiet for these last three or so: http://ajedrez_democratico.tripod.c... |
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Mar-16-08
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| Tomlinsky: Salov's efforts as Shirov's second when he defeated Kramnik, earning the right to challenge Kasparov for the title, are not often ackowledged. Shirov speaks highly of his talent with their Grunfeld preparations leaving Vladimir completely stymied. |
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| Mar-16-08 |
| MichAdams: The work of a second should be seen and not heard. |
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| Mar-16-08 |
| Prugno: He is still a member of the panel which judges the best 10 games of the previous Informant, and usually his votes are very reasonable, so perhaps he has not gone quite as totally insane as that website of his would suggest... |
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