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May-10-07
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| Dim Weasel: Here's some CB coverage:
ECF: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... Nigel: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... Azmai: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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| May-11-07 |
| scholes: What's the story of this guy cheating in euro 2003, if that's true how he can hold such a big post in fide |
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| May-11-07 |
| Tomlinsky: <What's the story of this guy cheating in euro 2003, if that's true how he can hold such a big post in fide> It's been a tradition for as long as I can recall, at least going back to the mid-late 70's, that credentials for holding any office in FIDE need not include such things as honesty or integrity. They have what is in appearance a 'clean sweep' of the organisation every now and again as a PR excercise but the shambolic structure usually shows through fairly transparently. The lastest damage limitation proceedings are already well underway with a few funky sideshows thrown in for good measure this time. Grab your popcorn. :) |
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May-11-07
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| Karpova: <scholes: What's the story of this guy cheating in euro 2003, if that's true how he can hold such a big post in fide>
that's a basic prerequisite |
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| May-11-07 |
| Rubion: <scholes> Apparently in a crucial game against Vladimir Malakhov (who finished second) Azmai made a move, took his hands of the piece, realised it was a blunder and took the move back. Malakhov was apparently too astonished to protest. This is also the guy who got into a fight with security guards at the closing ceremony of one of the knockout world championships! Quite a CV for a FIDE Vice President. |
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May-11-07
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| acirce: I don't know if he was cheating. It's a matter of definition. He took a (losing) move back with his opponent agreeing to it. He said he felt very badly about it afterwards, and that he actually offered to sign the result as a draw. It's this game: V Malakhov vs Azmaiparashvili, 2003 He had written down 25..Rxd1+ in the scoresheet and intended 26..Be5 afterwards, but by accident played the second move in the sequence first. Malakhov understood, of course, and let him take it back. It's against the rules of chess even if your opponent agrees to it, but is it really "cheating"? But of course he should certainly know better. It's not the worst thing he has done though. |
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May-11-07
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| Davolni: If that is a conformed fact that he had written 25 ..Rxd1 then I think it's ok, plus the fact that the opponent didn't mind, and at the end he offered the result as a draw. Who does not make mistakes? Anybody perfect? I don't think it's cheating or anywhere close to cheating. |
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| May-11-07 |
| Rubion: <acirce> I hadn't heard that Malakhov consented to the retracted move, but you could be right. Either way he's clearly an exceptionaly dodgy character, even by FIDE standards. |
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| protean: <It's against the rules of chess even if your opponent agrees to it, but is it really "cheating"?> Yes it's cheating - by definition. <Rubion><However Malakhov allowed Azmaiparashvili to take the move back according to his own conception of nobleness (which contradicted to FIDE rules).>http://weekly.convekta.com/ar14.htm |
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| May-11-07 |
| slomarko: if <Malakhov> didnt have a problem with it then its ok i guess. |
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| May-11-07 |
| Tomlinsky: The rules...
<4.2 Provided that he first expresses his intention (e.g. by saying "j`adoube" or "I adjust"), the player having the move may adjust one or more pieces on their squares. 4.3 Except as provided in Article 4.2, if the player having the move deliberately touches on the chessboard a. one or more of his own pieces, he must move the first piece touched that can be moved, or etc>
Mistakenly touching a piece is still a deliberate motion. Rules aren't defined during the course of a game between the two players even if they are amicable, they are inherently agreed upon before the game commences. So the point is that, even if the take-back was agreed upon, Azmaiparashvili is a FIDE representative and if he doesn't need to adhere to the rules of FIDE during a FIDE tournament then why should anybody else? |
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| May-11-07 |
| Rubion: Rubion: Well there are always two sides to a story, and they don't come much more different than this: Nigel Short describing Azmai headbutting a security guard at 37th chess Olympiad(see the bottom of the article):
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...
And Azmai's version of events:
http://www.chessbase.com/eventartic... I don't know what sounds more incredible. Security guards randomly beating up the Vice-President of FIDE at the chess olympiad or a GM headbutting someone! I was amused by this from Short though: "I was going to write a light-hearted reply to Zurab Azmaiparashvili but, alas, I simply cannot match the unintentional hilarity of a man who proudly cites the head-butting of a Spanish security guard as "proof enough that I do care for the protection of ...(chess players') interests and for the prestige of chess!" |
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May-11-07
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| acirce: As far as I know the version of the Spanish police is, as often, not the one supported by witness testimony. What I do know is that it seems people tend to believe in it because they don't like Azmaiparashvili. http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...
http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt... http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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May-11-07
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| Davolni: If I was FIDE's president, I would definetely bring spanish chess federation/organizers/ securities/ police officers/ anybody behind the event to a trial and would pursue to punish them sooooo baddddd..... Being a VP of FIDE Azmai had every right to go to the stage for ANY reason. PERIOD.! |
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May-11-07
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| jahhaj: <Malakhov didn't mind> I think it more likely that Malakhov realized it was more than his career was worth to offend the vice-president of FIDE. But who knows? Deliberately breaking the rules is cheating even if your opponent agrees to it. |
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May-11-07
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| jahhaj: Of course since this episode occurred in a tournament, he would need the permission of all the other players in the tournament, no? Haven't they been cheated too? Did he get everyone's permission? |
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May-11-07
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| jahhaj: <Offers to sign the result as a draw> How generous, he plays a losing move, and offers to accept a draw. Doesn't actually do it mind you. But he did feel bad about things, so that's OK. |
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May-14-07
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| Dim Weasel: <jahhaj> Your avatar's (Steven Seagal?) expression looks great beside your angry posts ;) |
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| Aug-30-07 |
| whiteshark:
Dunderhead,
Dunderhead,
Dunderhead!!! |
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| Aug-30-07 |
| KamikazeAttack: <Dunderhead,
Dunderhead,
Dunderhead!!!>
ROTFLMAOOOO. |
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| Aug-31-07 |
| aragorn69: What a (bald) DUNDERHEAD indeed! |
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Jul-02-08
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| jon01: I awlays wondered how this random player became European champion in 2003. |
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| Jul-03-08 |
| James Demery: I always wondered how old he was when he learned how to spell his last name. |
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Jul-03-08
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| percyblakeney: It's only five years ago Azmai was a 2700 player, in July 2003 he had a 2702 rating (just behind Ivanchuk with 2710 but well ahead of Moro with 2679). This when such a rating was enough to be #15 (and not #30 as it is today). |
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Jul-13-08
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| ToTheDeath: Excellent interview with Kasparov talking about MGP, in this excerpt he explains how a player as old as Zurab won the European Championship. http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cach... Hanon W. Russell: Well this leads me to my next question. You’ve made a comment before about how this generation of players was brought up and learned so much from your matches with Karpov, etc. There is a tendency for many, many young masters and improving players to look at anything that occurred before Fischer as being worthless or not worth studying. What would you say to that? Garry Kasparov: I think it’s a very stupid assessment. It’s probably, you know… you could find this kind of arrogance in the modern settings of the game of chess. They play Internet, you know, bullet game: one minute, three minutes. So they don’t have time even to concentrate on serious issues. And that’s why one of the greatest weaknesses of all young players is the endgame. When you look at, for instance, Azmaiparashvili winning the European Championship, Zurab is older than I am. So he’s a sort of dinosaur. Endgame… Counter attacks and endgames... And he was very stubborn so that’s… by the way Zurab was my coach in some of these matches, so that’s one of the players that came from that generation, learned from these matches. And even now not being, you know, most involved player, because he’s also FIDE Vice President, he has other things to do. But there’s a class; there is the solid foundation that you cannot disregard. |
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