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| Davolni: If that is a conformed fact that he had written 25 ..Rxd1 then I think it's ok, plus the fact that the opponent didn't mind, and at the end he offered the result as a draw. Who does not make mistakes? Anybody perfect? I don't think it's cheating or anywhere close to cheating. |
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| May-11-07 |
| Rubion: <acirce> I hadn't heard that Malakhov consented to the retracted move, but you could be right. Either way he's clearly an exceptionaly dodgy character, even by FIDE standards. |
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| May-11-07 |
| protean: <It's against the rules of chess even if your opponent agrees to it, but is it really "cheating"?> Yes it's cheating - by definition. <Rubion><However Malakhov allowed Azmaiparashvili to take the move back according to his own conception of nobleness (which contradicted to FIDE rules).>http://weekly.convekta.com/ar14.htm |
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| May-11-07 |
| slomarko: if <Malakhov> didnt have a problem with it then its ok i guess. |
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| May-11-07 |
| Tomlinsky: The rules...
<4.2 Provided that he first expresses his intention (e.g. by saying "j`adoube" or "I adjust"), the player having the move may adjust one or more pieces on their squares. 4.3 Except as provided in Article 4.2, if the player having the move deliberately touches on the chessboard a. one or more of his own pieces, he must move the first piece touched that can be moved, or etc>
Mistakenly touching a piece is still a deliberate motion. Rules aren't defined during the course of a game between the two players even if they are amicable, they are inherently agreed upon before the game commences. So the point is that, even if the take-back was agreed upon, Azmaiparashvili is a FIDE representative and if he doesn't need to adhere to the rules of FIDE during a FIDE tournament then why should anybody else? |
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| May-11-07 |
| Rubion: Rubion: Well there are always two sides to a story, and they don't come much more different than this: Nigel Short describing Azmai headbutting a security guard at 37th chess Olympiad(see the bottom of the article):
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...
And Azmai's version of events:
http://www.chessbase.com/eventartic... I don't know what sounds more incredible. Security guards randomly beating up the Vice-President of FIDE at the chess olympiad or a GM headbutting someone! I was amused by this from Short though: "I was going to write a light-hearted reply to Zurab Azmaiparashvili but, alas, I simply cannot match the unintentional hilarity of a man who proudly cites the head-butting of a Spanish security guard as "proof enough that I do care for the protection of ...(chess players') interests and for the prestige of chess!" |
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May-11-07
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| acirce: As far as I know the version of the Spanish police is, as often, not the one supported by witness testimony. What I do know is that it seems people tend to believe in it because they don't like Azmaiparashvili. http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...
http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt... http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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| May-11-07 |
| Davolni: If I was FIDE's president, I would definetely bring spanish chess federation/organizers/ securities/ police officers/ anybody behind the event to a trial and would pursue to punish them sooooo baddddd..... Being a VP of FIDE Azmai had every right to go to the stage for ANY reason. PERIOD.! |
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May-11-07
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| jahhaj: <Malakhov didn't mind> I think it more likely that Malakhov realized it was more than his career was worth to offend the vice-president of FIDE. But who knows? Deliberately breaking the rules is cheating even if your opponent agrees to it. |
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May-11-07
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| jahhaj: Of course since this episode occurred in a tournament, he would need the permission of all the other players in the tournament, no? Haven't they been cheated too? Did he get everyone's permission? |
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May-11-07
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| jahhaj: <Offers to sign the result as a draw> How generous, he plays a losing move, and offers to accept a draw. Doesn't actually do it mind you. But he did feel bad about things, so that's OK. |
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May-14-07
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| Dim Weasel: <jahhaj> Your avatar's (Steven Seagal?) expression looks great beside your angry posts ;) |
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Aug-30-07
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| whiteshark:
Dunderhead,
Dunderhead,
Dunderhead!!! |
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| Aug-30-07 |
| KamikazeAttack: <Dunderhead,
Dunderhead,
Dunderhead!!!>
ROTFLMAOOOO. |
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Aug-31-07
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| aragorn69: What a (bald) DUNDERHEAD indeed! |
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| Jul-02-08 |
| jon01: I awlays wondered how this random player became European champion in 2003. |
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| Jul-03-08 |
| James Demery: I always wondered how old he was when he learned how to spell his last name. |
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Jul-03-08
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| percyblakeney: It's only five years ago Azmai was a 2700 player, in July 2003 he had a 2702 rating (just behind Ivanchuk with 2710 but well ahead of Moro with 2679). This when such a rating was enough to be #15 (and not #30 as it is today). |
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Jul-13-08
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| ToTheDeath: Excellent interview with Kasparov talking about MGP, in this excerpt he explains how a player as old as Zurab won the European Championship. http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cach... Hanon W. Russell: Well this leads me to my next question. You’ve made a comment before about how this generation of players was brought up and learned so much from your matches with Karpov, etc. There is a tendency for many, many young masters and improving players to look at anything that occurred before Fischer as being worthless or not worth studying. What would you say to that? Garry Kasparov: I think it’s a very stupid assessment. It’s probably, you know… you could find this kind of arrogance in the modern settings of the game of chess. They play Internet, you know, bullet game: one minute, three minutes. So they don’t have time even to concentrate on serious issues. And that’s why one of the greatest weaknesses of all young players is the endgame. When you look at, for instance, Azmaiparashvili winning the European Championship, Zurab is older than I am. So he’s a sort of dinosaur. Endgame… Counter attacks and endgames... And he was very stubborn so that’s… by the way Zurab was my coach in some of these matches, so that’s one of the players that came from that generation, learned from these matches. And even now not being, you know, most involved player, because he’s also FIDE Vice President, he has other things to do. But there’s a class; there is the solid foundation that you cannot disregard. |
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| Mar-16-09 |
| ILikeFruits: cheaters...
are...
naughty...
refer to...
my profile...
for more...
info... |
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| Mar-16-09 |
| Nietzowitsch: <But there’s a class; there is the solid foundation that you cannot disregard.> IMO his best endgame: R Slobodjan vs Azmaiparashvili, 1997 |
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| Mar-16-09 |
| WhiteRook48: who is this? |
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Mar-16-09
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| SmotheredKing: <WhiteRook> This is the most honorable Azmaiparashvili, specialist in headbutting security guards at important event, unless he´s an event participant; in which case he plays an especially solid but game of Zurab chess, which is just like normal chess except touch-move doesn´t exist and moves can be taken back. |
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| May-01-09 |
| returnoftheking: lol smotheredking, nice description. I see why he worked with Kasparov-they fit perfectly together in style. Off the board, that is. |
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Jul-03-09
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| percyblakeney: Nice win today in the Greek League against an opponent just a few points below 2700 (Miroshnichenko): 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 c5 4. d5 b5 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bxf6 Qxf6 7. Nc3 b4 8. Nb5 Kd8 9. e4 g5 10. e5 Qg7 11. h3 Bb7
12. Qa4 a5 13. O-O-O h5 14. h4 g4 15. Ng5 exd5 16. cxd5 f6 17. Ne6+ dxe6 18. dxe6+ Kc8 19. Na7+ 1-0 
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