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Jun-24-08 | | Augalv: Armageddon decider – more readers' feedback
How does Anna Zatonskih feel about her sudden-death win of the US Women's Championship earlier this year? What do other readers think about the comments that have been made on the subject? The letters keep pouring in, and even BitTorrent inventor Bram Cohen, who once beat Irina Krush, has weighed in with a proposal for a new blitz clock. Full article here:http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... |
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Jun-24-08 | | Petrosianic: <I have a quick question - how would this have proceeded if there was a tie involving Michael Aigner? In such a case, an Armageddon playoff would not only be unfair, it would be illegal.> Unfair, maybe. But which rule are you talking about? Even leaving Aigner out of it, if either player had complained BEFORE the game that it was meaningless, unfair, or anything like that, it would have more force. What takes the wind out of Irina's sails is that the format didn't become unfair until it didn't go her way. |
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Jun-24-08 | | silas75: <Centercounter: Going back to the example with Tiger and Rocco (or any PGA playoff). Whatever method they use, at least they do not have to make all their shots in 5 minutes. There is a greater element of relevant skill in that case.> I guess it depends on the relevant skills for which one is looking... Since the tournament was trying to produce a women's champion (not necessarily the best player), and a round or two of armageddon chess produces a winner, then the organizers met their goal. *shrug* |
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Jun-24-08 | | centercounter: <Petrosianic: Unfair, maybe. But which rule are you talking about?> In the United States, there are laws that prevent discriminatory practices. In the event someone who was obviously, by reason of disability, unable to compete based on rapid motor skills, the organizers would have needed to use a different tiebreak method. I could have also used the hypothetical (although highly unlikely) case of a blind player who uses a special board/set during the regular games would not be able to play a blitz tiebreak. It's just an interesting different way of looking at it. |
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Jun-24-08 | | Akavall: <In the United States, there are laws that prevent discriminatory practices.> I don't think those laws would apply to your case, though. The idea behind them is that people get judged by their abilities instead of race, gender, age and so on. If one lacks ability (for whatever reason) those laws can't help them. |
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Jun-24-08 | | Jim Bartle: There was a highly publicized case in golf a few years ago, where a golfer named Casey Martin, who had a disease that made it difficult for him to walk for an extended time, wanted to use a cart to play on the pro tour. It was very controversial, and I think (not sure) he was eventually allowed to use the cart. But his game wasn't good enough to succeed on tour. In chess, I'm not sure. What if Stephen Hawkings were a GM--would he be allowed to make his moves by using his keyboard or speaking? |
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Jun-24-08 | | SetNoEscapeOn: <Akavall>
You are right; they mostly apply to employment, and actually don't affect private organizations (a church can deny membership to anyone for any reason, for instance). Nevertheless, <centercounter> I think in the hypothetical situation, an accommodation would be made for the disabled player. In any case, I find it hard to believe that any chess player would have so little honor as to agree to play in a situation in which his/her opponent could not physically make the moves. <In chess, I'm not sure. What if Stephen Hawkings were a GM--would he be allowed to make his moves by using his keyboard or speaking?> Well, if he was a GM, something must have already have been figured out to deal with the situation :) As for the cart- I would say in such instances they should ask the other tour players if there are any objections, and then change the rules if there aren't any (valid) ones. |
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Jun-25-08 | | Petrosianic: <In the United States, there are laws that prevent discriminatory practices.> Oh, okay. I thought you were talking about the rules of chess, not the law of the land. I don't think the law of the land would apply here, they usually apply to hiring practices. Still, illegal or not, they'd never dare make Aigner play a Blitz playoff. Even if they could legally do it, they'd look ridiculous. In this case, however, it's key that nobody objected to the Blitz game before it was played. If they had, who knows what would have happened? |
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Jun-25-08 | | Tessie Tura: <It was very controversial, and I think (not sure) he was eventually allowed to use the cart. But his game wasn't good enough to succeed on tour.> The Casey Martin case went all the way to the Supreme Court, where it was decided in Martin’s favor, although on narrow grounds as I assume the Court didn’t want to open the door to every player complaining of a bad back, or whatever. The Court held that the essence of golf was in shotmaking, as I remember it, and the PGA Tour had to show better reason than it did why disabled players should be denied accommodation. (The Tour had maintained, I think, that the ‘element of fatigue’ induced by walking around the course was crucial.) |
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Jun-25-08 | | Vollmer: And so it would be in a sub 5 hour round ... but in the case of disabled (and Martin clearly was) people some accommodation should be made . However if ya can't move the pieces , blitz is out of the question (it fails to pass the giggle test in Mr. Hawkins case) . Where to draw the line helps define us an intelligent species . |
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Jun-25-08 | | timhortons: shes playing in the canadian open 2008 |
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Jul-09-08 | | Augalv: World Women Chess Championship Nalchik, Kabardino-Balkaria pairings
The pairings for round 1 of the World Women Chess Championship (Nalchik, Kabardino-Balkaria) are already known. From this list it becomes clear that some of the invited players have decided not to participate. Judith Polgar, Elena Galiabova, Yelena Dembo, Ekaterina Atalik, Irina Berezina, and Natalia Hudgarian will be replace by the newest GM Marie Sebag, Elizabeth Paethz, Nisha Mohota, Maria Velcheva, Xue Zhao, and Sarai Sanches Castillo. Click here:http://tournaments.chessdom.com/wor... to read the full article |
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Jul-09-08 | | Augalv: The following is this year's World Women Chess Championship' official rule for the sixth round in the event that the scores are level after the classic games: 3. 8. 2. Round 6 (Final Match)
3. 8. 2. 1 If the scores are level after the regular games, after a new drawing of colours, four (4) tie break games shall be played. The games shall be played using the electronic clock starting with 25 minutes on the clock for each player with an addition of 10 seconds after each move. 3. 8. 2. 2 If the scores are level after the games in paragraph 3. 8. 2. 1, then, after a new drawing of colours, 2 five-minute games shall be played with the addition of 10 seconds after each move. <3. 8. 2. 3. If the score is still level, the players shall play one decisive sudden death game. The player, who wins the drawing of lots, may choose the colour. White shall receive 6 minutes, Black shall receive 5 minutes, without any addition. The winner shall be declared Women's World Champion. In case of a draw the player with the black pieces shall be declared Women's World Champion.> Source: http://rules.chessdom.com/world-wom... |
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Jul-09-08 | | Riverbeast: <It was very controversial, and I think (not sure) he was eventually allowed to use the cart. But his game wasn't good enough to succeed on tour. In chess, I'm not sure. What if Stephen Hawkings were a GM--would he be allowed to make his moves by using his keyboard or speaking?> Something similar happened in an elite chess tournament back in the 80s, I think...I vaguely remember Anthony Miles playing in Tilburg, or something, face down on an elevated cot...He had a bad back and sitting at a chair put too much pressure on it. I think some players may have complained, but they let him finish the tournament and that was the only time it happened. |
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Jul-09-08 | | RookFile: It was great when Miles burped in the middle of games. |
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Jul-31-08 | | myschkin: "I like the big questions"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWvQ... |
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Jul-31-08 | | RonB52734: <Riverbeast><I vaguely remember Anthony Miles playing in Tilburg, or something, face down on an elevated cot> Correctimundo. From Wikipedia:
One of his best (and most controversial) results was his win at the Tilburg tournament in 1984. The following year, he tied for first there with Robert Hübner and Viktor Korchnoi, playing several of his games while lying face-down on a table, having injured his back. |
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Jul-31-08 | | RonB52734: It is also mentioned here: Game Collection: Tilburg Interpolis 1985 |
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Jul-31-08 | | dumbgai: Sidenote: from what I know Michael Aigner is actually an excellent blitz player. The way he moves his pieces during a tournament game may look awkward and difficult, but I have heard from several witnesses that he is indeed capable of making (good) moves very quickly when he needs to. As for the case with Stephen Hawking (or any other obviously disabled person)...there would probably be some sort of compromise; personally I would probably refuse to play a tiebreak under conditions that were so clearly unfair for my opponent. In any case, as several people have already pointed out, Irina's argument is severely weakened by the fact that she didn't complain about the rules until well after she lost. |
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Aug-01-08 | | Vollmer: The USCF has posted an informative article on Tie-breaks and Playoffs at its website . My personal viewpoint concerning the Armageddon format remains unchanged : It is simply awful . |
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Aug-03-08 | | whiskeyrebel: dumbgai, I've watched Mr. Aigner play tournament blitz against titled players at a couple National opens. He certainly plays up to his OTB rating at the very least. I don't think though that anybody should be compelled to jump through fan friendly blitz hoops to determine a winner in a classic chess event.
Vollmer, I agree with you about Armageddon tiebreaks. I just got my issue of the USCF mag today, I'll go read the article. I hope it's a sign that change will be forthcoming. |
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Aug-18-08 | | SetNoEscapeOn: I am glad that Irina has decided not to sacrifice her safety for the hubris of FIDE and will not travel to Georgia. She decided this before the current conflict- very prudent on her part. FIDE's and other chess officials' reactions have been arrogant and incomprehensible. I can't even believe that Kirsan's response <do not mix politics and sport> is serious>. Did he read the letters? The place is not safe. It is interesting how chessbase presents all of this without comment, the model objective news source. Sure, they decide to ridicule the genius Rowson over his views on British hegemony, but are suddenly mute on this much more important (and clear cut) issue. I'm sure it's because they don't want to <mix politics and sport>... |
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Aug-18-08 | | acirce: <I am glad that Irina has decided not to sacrifice her safety for the hubris of FIDE and will not travel to Georgia.> It's not Georgia. Nalchik is in Kabardino-Balkaria, Russia. <The place is not safe.> It may not be the safest place in the world, but it's safe enough. |
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Aug-20-08 | | dumbgai: <acirce> correctly points out that the site of the tournament is not in Georgia, but rather a part of Russia near the Georgian border. Thus, I think the playing site should be a bit safer than some people think (however I must admit I'm fairly ignorant on this issue). On the other hand it's better to be safe than sorry so I can understand certain players' refusal to participate (especially those representing Georgia). |
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Aug-20-08 | | SetNoEscapeOn: <acirce>
Yeah, it's in Russia. And after reading some of the other letters on chessbase (including one that seems to suggest that part of a Canadian safety warning was fabricated) that the site itself is safer than I thought (the situation in Georgia is remains unresolved, however). A decent part of the problem seems to be that so many of the most legendary female players are from Georgia. It's difficult to expect them to go play chess in a country which is, to one extent or the other, occupying their country. Still, as most of the letters on chessbase point out, it really does seem like Kirsan did not read what the letters that he responded to (twice now). No indication that he takes the player's concerns seriously, and not even a token attempt at trying to consider an alternate venue. Not like I really should have expected anything different though. |
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