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Oct-18-04 | | Giancarlo: Tal was underrated for his time IMO. I think people didn't really think he could amount to beat Botvinnik, and he did. |
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Oct-18-04 | | Knight13: I bet it was hard for Tal to tie with Karpov. |
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Oct-18-04
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Oct-18-04 | | uzeromay: Tal's legacy was somewhat vindicated today as Kramnik used the same opening to defeat Leko that Tal lost to Botvinnik in a world championship match. |
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Oct-19-04 | | Lawrence: Isn't it Botvinnik who was vindicated? |
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Oct-19-04 | | marekg248: Yesterday I looked over games from the 1961 Tal-Botvinnik match and I found two games with the move order used yesterday, i.e. 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 ♗f5 4.h4. Tal lost one and the second was a draw, so he would surely be glad to see Kramnik-Leko game, at least as much as I am. 8D |
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Oct-19-04 | | uzeromay: Tal vs Botvinnik, 1961
Tal vs Botvinnik, 1961 Tal vs Botvinnik, 1961
Tal vs Botvinnik, 1961 These, I believe, are the games to which I refer. Tal played the same 4. h4 move Kramnik played in his final game to defeat Leko. We shall perhaps hear in an interview with Kramnik later as to whether Kramnik was specifically inspired by Tal's performance. |
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Oct-20-04 | | marekg248: Yes, exactly, and I found the fifth game with 4...c5. So two losses for Tal and 3 draws. Tal vs Botvinnik, 1961 |
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Oct-20-04 | | Giancarlo: 1961 wasn't exactly a "healthy" year for Tal. But all credit to Botvinnik, he truly studied his Home work for the match. Still I think it was quite a feat for Tal to continue winning games in that WCC. He won 5, lost 10. Atleast he never completly gave up. He fought hard. |
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Oct-22-04 | | Knight13: In the Book "Tactics and Strategy" by Graham Burgess, it says that Tal was a master attacker at chess. I believe it. I like this player because I am a attacker, too. |
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Oct-22-04 | | OneArmedScissor: Tal also played the Dutch Defense.
I like Tal's Nimzo-Inidan games. |
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Oct-22-04 | | Spassky69: <Anyway, Spassky69 is wrong> How am I wrong? I said that world champions back then could beat world champions this era I didn't say what time control they would be using. |
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Oct-22-04 | | Minor Piece Activity: Fine if you want that technicality, but that doesn't excuse the other errors with Spassky and Petrosian. I'd still like to know where you get your 100 point estimate. |
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Oct-28-04 | | Knight13: Check it out this game: Tal vs Short, 1987. It's amazing how Tal attacked Short's king! |
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Nov-10-04 | | aw1988: Oh, that's an amazing quote. "There are two types of sacrifices: correct ones and mine." :) Now proceed calling me a freak for always checking the quote of the day. |
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Nov-10-04
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More often correct than not
Party on, ya freak |
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Nov-13-04 | | acirce: <It was a golden age of chess journalism with all those writings about 'an ultimate clash' between 'iron logic', represented by Botvinnik, and 'diabolical tactical trickery', as shown by Tal. It appealed well to the generally well-educated masses of chess fans in the Soviet Union, who needed a little poetic flavour - describing a chess game as an intellectual duel - to keep fuelling their interest in sparsely played World Championship Matches between Soviet grandmasters. Their sympathies were more or less evenly spread between the two players. Even some 15 years later, the Botvinnik-Tal controversy didn't seem to be dying out. Indeed, it represented a mystery: the first match saw Botvinnik losing by 4 points, and the next year he came back, winning by an even larger margin. Serious books had been written on the subject, with in-depth analysis of the players' respective styles done by the best chess journalists the Soviet Union ever produced. I considered myself a good enough chess-player to form my own opinion on the subject. Surely I wasn't going to take any crap from sportswriters, and one day I sat down to look at the games myself. Luckily, the books also contained the game scores from both matches. I thought of something along the lines of tracking the widely announced differences between the players' styles. I expected to see wild attacks and numerous sacrifices from Tal in one game, and deep strategic plans relentlessly implemented by Botvinnik in another. Before I could do any deep analysis I was disappointed. The difference in style didn't show as much as I expected! Tal, the tactician, was well aware of the positional principles listed in the books. Botvinnik, the strategist, went for tactical solutions very often. The two bashed at each other any way they could, with Tal winning the most in the first match, and Botvinnik getting the better of it in the return match. I couldn't see where the difference between them lay, except for Tal being the aggressor early and more often. Go figure. I began to suspect that I, along with thousands of others, had been led to believe in something that didn't exist. Or maybe, such thing as style of play does exist, but on some higher level of the decision-making process that is lurking in the background only to surface in critical moments of a battle. I, at my superficial glance, of course wasn't able to detect it. The truth is, a chess-player's main objective is to find good moves, and the last thing he should worry about is attaching them to his (or, worse, someone else's) theoretical beliefs. In retrospect it's nice to attribute your success to superior 'understanding' or 'class', but it doesn't relieve chess-players from sweating it out on every move. While it's possible to distinguish between positional and combinative play, I wouldn't put one ahead of the other, and here I disagree with the great maestro Mikhail Botvinnik.> Alex Yermolinsky, "The Road to Chess Improvement" |
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Nov-13-04 | | MoonlitKnight: I read Yermolinsky's book, and I thought it was an overrated pile of rubbish. |
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Nov-13-04 | | acirce: Yeah, on the whole it is overrated, but some parts I found useful. Luckily I didn't have to pay for it but borrowed it at the library -- otherwise I would have wasted my money on the bad parts :) |
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Nov-13-04
 | | tamar: Not a perfect book but one I got a kick out of because Yermo is such a contrarian. <Surely I wasn't going to take any crap from sportswriters, and one day I sat down to look at the games myself.> I love that attitude. |
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Nov-13-04 | | chesscookie: was he a world champion? |
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Nov-13-04 | | Eatman: <chesscookie> if you mean Tal then yes he was the 8th World champion 1960-1961. He was 23 years old when he become WC.
If his kidneys were not giving him trouble in 1961 match or if the match had been postponed, Tal could have done better at the rematch. |
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Nov-13-04 | | chesscookie: <Eatman> Thanks. |
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Nov-14-04 | | MoonlitKnight: <acirce> Me neither, I won it! :-) |
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Nov-14-04 | | Phoenix: I loved Yermo's book. You are probably reacting to the "American" talk in it :-) It's lively instead of the usual worthless boring a(2+c) variation-loaded-commentless piece of crap most books are today. Just mho. |
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