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|Sep-26-13|| ||wych: <Strongest Force: If Kaspy didn't get 11/13 I am sure Shark did. Somebody can look this up? I am almost sure Kaspy got 11.>|
My conclusion from Kasparov's CG records is that his score in 1980 was 10.5.
Therefore, in answer to your enquiry, this is what I think:
Kasparov 1980 10.5 points
Mamedyarov 2003 10 points
Mamedyarov 2005 10.5 points
I do not know whether Yu Yangyi's score of 11 points in 2013 constitutes a record or not.
|Sep-26-13|| ||Maatalkko: William James Lombardy won the 1957 World Junior Championship with a perfect 11/11. Of course, the competition was not as difficult back then, but he also defeated Spassky in junior competition and qualified for an Interzonal (which he didn't play), so Lombardy was definitely a very strong junior for his time.|
|Sep-26-13|| ||Strongest Force: When Kaspy won i remember with my own eyes seeing that he had 11 and Short had 9.5. I got into online fight with GM L'Ami over wether Shark would have had his run-away-score if Nak had not missed his flight and played against Shark. You guys need to cite where your info comes from.|
|Sep-26-13|| ||JointheArmy: Here are the links to every game Kasparov played during the 1980 World Junior Championship (Dortmund).|
I don't know the exact round for every game, but all 13 games are listed below.
W = Win, D = Draw and L = Loss.
Round 1 (?) W -- http://www.chessgames.com/perl/nph-...
Round 2 W -- http://www.chessgames.com/perl/nph-...
Round 3 W -- http://www.chessgames.com/perl/nph-...
Round 4 D -- http://www.chessgames.com/perl/nph-...
Round 5 W -- http://www.chessgames.com/perl/nph-...
Round 6 (?) W -- http://www.chessgames.com/perl/nph-...
Round 7 (?) W -- http://www.chessgames.com/perl/nph-...
Round 8 (?) D -- http://www.chessgames.com/perl/nph-...
Round 9 (?) D -- http://www.chessgames.com/perl/nph-...
Round 10 W -- http://www.chessgames.com/perl/nph-...
Round 11 (?) W -- http://www.chessgames.com/perl/nph-...
Round 12 D -- http://www.chessgames.com/perl/nph-...
Round 13 (?) D -- http://www.chessgames.com/perl/nph-...
It seems that Kasparov scored 10.5/13 when he was 16/17 years old in the 1980 World Junior Championship.
|Sep-26-13|| ||whiteshark: I take my hat off to Yu!|
|Sep-26-13|| ||wych: <Strongest Force: When Kaspy won i remember with my own eyes seeing that he had 11 and Short had 9.5...You guys need to cite where your info comes from.>|
The relevant information can be pieced together from records on this site & others (eg 365Chess.com), which can be cross checked against each other.
(NB On that basis, I conclude that Short got 9 points in 1980, not 9.5.)
|Sep-26-13|| ||wych: <Strongest Force> Further to my post above, the final standings table for the 2005 Championship can be found on the ChessBase website. (It shows Mamedyarov on 10.5/13.)|
|Sep-26-13|| ||jusmail: Which are the great games in the tournament worth further study?|
|Sep-26-13|| ||RedShield: The book <Fighting Chess>, on Garry's early career, confirms that he scored 10.5 points and Short 9.|
|Sep-26-13|| ||dumbgai: Special kudos to Wang Yiye, a 15 year old from China rated 2258. Wang scored 8.5/13 for a TPR of 2514, and gained 68 rating points.|
|Sep-26-13|| ||FISCHERboy: Dominant performance from Yu. If Wei Yi continues to play in more (and stronger) tournaments, he will definitely become a World Junior champion, say two to three years. Daniil Dubov and Illya Nyzhnyk stand in his way. The two stronger juniors, Wesley So and Anish Giri, let their chances slip away, so this should not be difficult for Wei, Dubov and Nyzhnyk to share dominance for three years or so. Ray Robson can try and spoil the party next year, though.|
|Sep-26-13|| ||perfidious: <Maatalkko>: Minor point: Lombardy's win over Spassky was in what was then known as the World Student Team event, for which all players under 26 were eligible. Both players were 23 that year, so not exactly juniors.|
Believe there were pundits who regarded Lombardy as a greater talent than Fischer-after the former won the Junior at Toronto, and before the latter won the US Closed event.
|Sep-26-13|| ||Strongest Force: What about Sharks 12 points? What did he do in his first championship win? Btw, i dont see how anyone can fully trust info comming from this site.|
|Sep-26-13|| ||wych: <Strongest Force: What about Sharks 12 points? What did he do in his first championship win? Btw, i dont see how anyone can fully trust info comming from this site.>|
(See my posts above.) It appears that Mamedyarov got 10 points when he won the first time (in 2003) & 10.5 points when he won the second time (in 2005). He did not get 12 points on either occasion.
All the games in question are available not only on CG but also on 365Chess.com, & the two sites agree with each other.
|Sep-27-13|| ||Benjamin1981: According to Fighting Chess World Juniors 1980:
1. Kasparov 10,5
2. Short 9,0
3. Morovic 8,5
4. Negulescu 8,5
5. Bischoff 8,5
6. Åkesson 8,0
7. Tempone 8,0
8. Danailov 8,0
9. Karolyi 8,0
10. Hjorth 8,0
|Sep-27-13|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: <8. Danailov 8,0>
love that. No Wonder he became the person he is....
|Sep-27-13|| ||chancho: Garry Kasparov, 1980 World Junior Champion:
|Sep-27-13|| ||Strongest Force: Seems like ChessBase has finally convinced me that Kaspy and Shark are the highest ever scorers in 13-rd history besides Ipatov. Congrats to Yu and thx to all cg.com users who tried to help me learn that.|
|Sep-27-13|| ||Strongest Force: * Kaspy, Shark and Ipatov are highest in13-rd history next to Yu.|
|Sep-27-13|| ||Nerwal: <Kaspy, Shark and Ipatov are highest in13-rd history next to Yu.>|
Apparently 10.5/13 has happened a fair number of times. Dolmatov won with 10.5 in 1978; so did Curt Hansen in 1984. Shirov and Ilya Gurevich both scored 10.5 at Santiago 1990, and so did Świercz and Hovhannisyan at Chennai 2011. Galkin and Sadvakasov also scored 10.5 in 1999 and 1998 respectively. 11/13 might be a first; hard to check, since complete crosstables are hard to find...
|Sep-28-13|| ||Lil Swine: Lol, have the asians dominated the world? the world champion, worlds woman champion, and now the worlds junior champion, all hail from asia.|
|Sep-28-13|| ||alexmagnus: <Lol, have the asians dominated the world? the world champion, worlds woman champion, and now the worlds junior champion, all hail from asia.>|
The girls' champion, btw, Goryachkina was born in Orsk, which is known to be in both Europe and Asia.
|Oct-03-13|| ||alpha64: Mamedyarov got 11/13 in 2003 World Junior Championship and 10.5/13 in 2005. He did not participate in 2004 championship. I got this info from 365chess.com. Kaspy scored 10.5/13 and Nigel Short was second with 9 points in Dortmund World Junior Championship.|
|Oct-07-13|| ||wych: Mamedyarov got 10/13 in 2003, not 11/13. If you take another look at 365Chess.com, you will see that 2 of his games from that event, (one win & one loss), are listed twice.|
|Jan-21-18|| ||Tabanus: 8 pages of kibitzing here (with the newest last). I tried to find the first page by "Jump to page 1" and "Go". Now <19> pages turned up, but in reverse order (the newest first). I then used "Jump to page 19", and finally found the first posts. Hmmm.|
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